Did I pick the wrong sarm for my goals? S4. I want the popping capped delt and fuller muscles. I don’t want the “dry” grainy aged look

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Alright so my goals are I want more fullness in my muscles, and I want the popping delt.

Sure I’d like a tiny bit more vascularaity and hardness but not by much. I don’t want that dry grainy look that makes you look aged but the more I read about this sarm the more I see people boasting about how it gives you a dry grainy look similar to **winstrol**.. the fuk. I wanted the anavar look not winstrol aged look

The only reason I picked s4 andarine was because it’s the most hair safe sarm. And apparently the least androgenic one and least suppressive to lose my natty card to. But if it’s Ganna dry me the fuk out and make me look older/more androgenic then nah. I’m already pretty dry anyway.



I’m natty and my main problem is I look flat af without carbs and without a pump. And I’m missing the obvious capped popping delt. And these are the things I want to fix.

Tldr. I don’t want to just be a more vascular version of myself with added dry aged look. **I don’t want that dry grainy aged look**. I want more fuller muscles with the capped delt

**Or am I wrong and s4 will give me that capped popping side delts and more fuller pumped up muscles/3dish look?**
 
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The ‘look’ really goes away when you come off…unfortunately. That’s the game 🤷‍♂️

Rad140 is supposed to be the ‘anavar of the sarm world’ …I haven’t ran that, but LGD gave me a nice full look, with much better looking delts…Ran it at 24mg tho. (Sarms have to be run at some decent dosage…they aren’t methylated etc. Guys run Anadrol at 50mg+ yet, others think they can get similar results at 10mg of a sarm?!…)
 

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I wouldn’t mind looking (very slightly) drier and a bit more veins IF that also came with more fuller muscles and the most important thing for me(the capped filled up/fuller pumped delts)

but if it’s just Ganna make me look flat dry and grainer then I wouldn’t want that..

maybe some people here who have done s4 andarine can comment if they got fuller rounder capped delts from s4 and fuller/more pumps in general?

this is the look I want to avoid: (pics bellow)

basically the aged grainy look without any fullness in the muscles. And the guys missing the filler up capped delts etc
 

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By the sound of it, this look youre after is going to be more the result of diet (ie getting leaner) and training (prioritising your delts) than any specific drug or PED. Its as simple (or as hard) as that.

Cos as Rad83 above said, *if* there was a PED you could take that would do what you want and in the timeframe you want, the effects will largely dissapear as soon as you stop taking the PED.
 

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By the sound of it, this look youre after is going to be more the result of diet (ie getting leaner) and training (prioritising your delts) than any specific drug or PED. Its as simple (or as hard) as that.

Cos as Rad83 above said, *if* there was a PED you could take that would do what you want and in the timeframe you want, the effects will largely dissapear as soon as you stop taking the PED.
ye I agree. I just want capped delts once in my lifetime

I have very big delts for a natty. But they’re flat and have the 3 sided shape instead of the round popping look.

what I notice in enhanced people is that the 3 sided delt is usually filled in giving it a circle/round shape (at rest and not flexing it with hand on side)

this is probably cause carbs while being enhanced are all funneled into the delt filling in the sides etc(just my speculation)
 
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Thats what we have to live with when staying natty. You will never look as full or round out of the gym as someone enhanced. If the SARM did this for you it would be very temporarly and the question then will be if the potential side effect are worth popping delts for a month of your life.
 
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Alright so my goals are I want more fullness in my muscles, and I want the popping delt.

Sure I’d like a tiny bit more vascularaity and hardness but not by much. I don’t want that dry grainy look that makes you look aged but the more I read about this sarm the more I see people boasting about how it gives you a dry grainy look similar to **winstrol**.. the fuk. I wanted the anavar look not winstrol aged look

The only reason I picked s4 andarine was because it’s the most hair safe sarm. And apparently the least androgenic one and least suppressive to lose my natty card to. But if it’s Ganna dry me the fuk out and make me look older/more androgenic then nah. I’m already pretty dry anyway.



I’m natty and my main problem is I look flat af without carbs and without a pump. And I’m missing the obvious capped popping delt. And these are the things I want to fix.

Tldr. I don’t want to just be a more vascular version of myself with added dry aged look. **I don’t want that dry grainy aged look**. I want more fuller muscles with the capped delt

**Or am I wrong and s4 will give me that capped popping side delts and more fuller pumped up muscles/3dish look?**
That look you want takes years of training nothing is going to give it to you in 1 cycle, and s4 sucks
 

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Bro since you turned in your natty card to take one if the weakest sarms out there then mine as well go down the rabbit hole now especially since you have a really good base to work with most guys aren't even as close to what you have built before they hop on which is a total credit and compliment to you (also I'm assuming you're over 25 if you're not just keep doing what you're doing and come back to this forum when you are)
 

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Bro since you turned in your natty card to take one if the weakest sarms out there then mine as well go down the rabbit hole now especially since you have a really good base to work with most guys aren't even as close to what you have built before they hop on which is a total credit and compliment to you (also I'm assuming you're over 25 if you're not just keep doing what you're doing and come back to this forum when you are)
how do you know what he has built? have you seen him?
 
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Bro since you turned in your natty card to take one if the weakest sarms out there then mine as well go down the rabbit hole now especially since you have a really good base to work with most guys aren't even as close to what you have built before they hop on which is a total credit and compliment to you (also I'm assuming you're over 25 if you're not just keep doing what you're doing and come back to this forum when you are)
Pretty sure he posted pictures of a random gymshark sponsored dude.

Now @Honta if you are the guy in those photos or look similar then what you need is more size and glycogen storage. That's gonna take the guy in that picture and make him look more round and full.

But there is no 1 specific compound that's going to permanently give you the desired look. Oral steroids and sarms will provide a temporary cosmetic effect.
 

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how do you know what he has built? have you seen him?
Oh my bad I thought that was him in the pics that were posted, sorry was still waking up it was 330 here in the west coast
 
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Alright so my goals are I want more fullness in my muscles, and I want the popping delt.

Sure I’d like a tiny bit more vascularaity and hardness but not by much. I don’t want that dry grainy look that makes you look aged but the more I read about this sarm the more I see people boasting about how it gives you a dry grainy look similar to **winstrol**.. the fuk. I wanted the anavar look not winstrol aged look

The only reason I picked s4 andarine was because it’s the most hair safe sarm. And apparently the least androgenic one and least suppressive to lose my natty card to. But if it’s Ganna dry me the fuk out and make me look older/more androgenic then nah. I’m already pretty dry anyway.



I’m natty and my main problem is I look flat af without carbs and without a pump. And I’m missing the obvious capped popping delt. And these are the things I want to fix.

Tldr. I don’t want to just be a more vascular version of myself with added dry aged look. **I don’t want that dry grainy aged look**. I want more fuller muscles with the capped delt

**Or am I wrong and s4 will give me that capped popping side delts and more fuller pumped up muscles/3dish look?**
Groan ***

 
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I wouldn’t mind looking (very slightly) drier and a bit more veins IF that also came with more fuller muscles and the most important thing for me(the capped filled up/fuller pumped delts)

but if it’s just Ganna make me look flat dry and grainer then I wouldn’t want that..

maybe some people here who have done s4 andarine can comment if they got fuller rounder capped delts from s4 and fuller/more pumps in general?

this is the look I want to avoid: (pics bellow)

basically the aged grainy look without any fullness in the muscles. And the guys missing the filler up capped delts etc
Excellent physique 👍
 
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ye I agree. I just want capped delts once in my lifetime

I have very big delts for a natty. But they’re flat and have the 3 sided shape instead of the round popping look.

what I notice in enhanced people is that the 3 sided delt is usually filled in giving it a circle/round shape (at rest and not flexing it with hand on side)

this is probably cause carbs while being enhanced are all funneled into the delt filling in the sides etc(just my speculation)
Derek mpmd was explaining there are a high concentration of androgen receptors in the delts, gear definitely helps
 
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Take any steroids and train your overhead pressing hard AF for 5 years consistently and you will have the look you desire.

JFC, talking about a pill that suddenly gives you a “dry, aged look”, whatever the f that even means. As if it’s as simple as picking spices to instantly transform the taste of a dish or something. It doesn’t work that way.

You sound way too young to be messing with your HPTA, and I very much hope I’m wrong here. Definitely need more reading, and I’m not talking about Reddit.
 

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Bro since you turned in your natty card to take one if the weakest sarms out there then mine as well go down the rabbit hole now especially since you have a really good base to work with most guys aren't even as close to what you have built before they hop on which is a total credit and compliment to you (also I'm assuming you're over 25 if you're not just keep doing what you're doing and come back to this forum when you are)
yes am over 25.

the reason I picked s4 is because it’s the least androgenic, least suppressive and most hair safe sarm there is

also another goal I want is stronger bones. As a natty I feel like I’ve developed osteoporosis in my face or something from constantly dieting

I really just want that half natty kinobody fitness look that’s full, hard, capped delts
 
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careful don't get too big on accident
Steroids do all the work, you know. There’s a study where they gave guys 600mg of test without lifting and they got more jacked, so naturally that can be extrapolated to assume it will continue indefinitely and no effort will be necessary.

You just run a SARM cycle once, get yoked, do a PCT & obviously keep the gains forever, win the lottery, buy a yacht, marry a harem of supermodels, and sail the world partying.
 

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yes am over 25.

the reason I picked s4 is because it’s the least androgenic, least suppressive and most hair safe sarm there is

also another goal I want is stronger bones. As a natty I feel like I’ve developed osteoporosis in my face or something from constantly dieting

I really just want that half natty kinobody fitness look that’s full, hard, capped delts
S4 is not as safe as you think and it definitely won’t do what you want it to do, especially not at the “safe dosages”. PED’s are not magic.
 
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1. You are NO LONGER NATTY.
2. You are asking for this and don't even know it:
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If you are looking for: "least androgenic, least suppressive and most hair safe" then you are NOT meant for steroids period.

GH is about as close to what you are asking for, combined with something else that I am going to assume you have no business using.
 
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Everyone’s already said it, but I don’t think you understand how subtle compounds really are with the “look” they give. There’s still way more that goes into it. Your own body genetics, size, body fat, etc. are going to be what drives the look more than what a steroid will give you, especially something so mild.
 
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I will say this: using something super mild to get your feet wet makes some sense to me. There’s a reason guys try out 8 weeks of LGD or a bit of Anavar or Tbol, etc sometimes before trying out a testosterone cycle. So I can understand giving S4 for a couple months a whirl before you take the injectable plunge.

But the truth is, if you want the cosmetic effects you’re after, it’s going to require some years of work in conjunction with consistent PED cycles. So at least a base of testosterone is eventually going to be in the picture if health and side effects are things you take into account (which you should). A single run of S4 is not going to give you what you seek.

Steroid use generally becomes a lifestyle. Even if they come off fully from time to time, they go back on again before you know it.
 

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1. You are NO LONGER NATTY.
2. You are asking for this and don't even know it:
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If you are looking for: "least androgenic, least suppressive and most hair safe" then you are NOT meant for steroids period.

GH is about as close to what you are asking for, combined with something else that I am going to assume you have no business using.
You sir win comment/reply of the day.lmao. @Smont will give you 15 % off at MA research for your win lol
 

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Everyone’s already said it, but I don’t think you understand how subtle compounds really are with the “look” they give. There’s still way more that goes into it. Your own body genetics, size, body fat, etc. are going to be what drives the look more than what a steroid will give you, especially something so mild.

I mean I look kinda close to fitness model ready I’m just missing the enhancement look man.. I’m tired of being fuckin natty. If I want to be a fitness model I’m going to have to do something.

so much work to look semi juicy for a couple of days then back to being flat af. Too much work for little results

as a natty i can have that look for like one day if you carb up then fast for 24 hours and then get a pump at the 20 hour mark and il get that 3dish look for like 3 hours at most LMAO. And then it’s fukin gone like that. All that crazy ass work for something that’s gone in hours.

I pretty much just want an enhanced version of my pshqyue of what I already built. Even if that’s just slightly fuller delts and muscles

you guys make it like I want to transform into something crazy wtf
 
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So at least a base of testosterone is eventually going to be in the picture if health and side effects are things you take into account (which you should). A single run of S4 is not going to give you what you seek.

Steroid use generally becomes a lifestyle. Even if they come off fully from time to time, they go back on again before you know it.
I’d rather use an estrogen tab or something. My main concern is hairloss and keeping my youthful look. Am later 20s but look 20.

ive done a shitload of research on s4 and I’ve also heard of that dude running it for 2 years straight with estrogen tabs only and no sides. You guys have probably heard of him
 

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1. You are NO LONGER NATTY.
2. You are asking for this and don't even know it:
View attachment 220344

If you are looking for: "least androgenic, least suppressive and most hair safe" then you are NOT meant for steroids period.

GH is about as close to what you are asking for, combined with something else that I am going to assume you have no business using.

1. “if you’re looking for the least androgenic ur not meant for steriods” Lmfao bs. How? I want the fitness model look not the bodybuilder look

2. also every dude I know who runs hgh looks old asf with a bloated head and bloated stomach. Complete opposite of anti aging. There heads all big as hell too. It’s marketed as anti aging but it literally looks like it ages all of them

3. As a natty I don’t even give a fuk about my natty card. Never did. The reason I want the “half-natty” look is not to claim natty but because I simply don’t like the look of more.

I realize If I want to get in the fitness model world I need enhancement. I already have a semi fitness model bod I’m just missing the half natty enhanced look.

I pretty much just want an enhanced version of my pshqyue of what I already built. Even if that’s just slightly fuller delts and muscles
 
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1. “if you’re looking for the least androgenic ur not meant for steriods” Lmfao bs. How? I want the fitness model look not the bodybuilder look

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The ‘fitness model look’ makes tons of use of androgenic/dht compounds.
 
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Get off social media/the gram etc. …These yolo kids have fuckked the entire game up…They start blasting the day they get a gym membership…then have the nerve to write “natural aesthetics” or some bull in their bio.
Wrecking their health for a protein or preworkout sponsorship 🤦‍♂️

They are running stuff, that would eat your lil s4 for lunch
 

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Pls post pictures of your “semi fitness model bod” so we can give the best advice on how much S4 to use to make it an all out fitness model bod. It’ll be easy to nail down the exact dose for capped delts when we know what we working with.
 

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Pls post pictures of your “semi fitness model bod” so we can give the best advice on how much S4 to use to make it an all out fitness model bod. It’ll be easy to nail down the exact dose for capped delts when we know what we working with.
will post some pics

some of these pics is old (only 2 years at most). Prob gained like 4% more body fat and more muscle.

also I’m not claiming to look like a fitness model. I think I got a good bod for a natty though. I just think I got some potiental to have that fitness model “look” and be one

also last pic is the oldest pic. Prob 2 years old and it’s the leanest I’ve ever been. Was small af in there though. Probably gained like 6% body fat since then and more muscle. But you can see the delt issue in that pic
 

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1. “if you’re looking for the least androgenic ur not meant for steriods” Lmfao bs. How? I want the fitness model look not the bodybuilder look

The ‘fitness model look’ makes tons of use of androgenic/dht compounds.
then how does kinobody stay lookin young af at nearly 35?

Dude has canon ball delts but looks young as hell. I doubt he’s on trt or uses androgenic **** or else he wouldn’t look 24

I’m sure he does on/off and I’m sure he doesnt use androgenic/DHT compounds. This is my opinion but think about it. He wouldn’t look 24-25 at 35
 
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Kinobody is usually around 10-12% bfat. His delts arent hyooge, but "pop" because...he is decently lean. For most people therell be no delt popping until around 15% or less (like, waking up cold with no gym pump).

I wouldnt be surprised if Greg uses *something* to hold onto maximum muscle whilst cutting and/or prepping for promo material (photos). And remember that when you look at his photos, theyre mostly posed and staged etc
 

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I hope ur not implying kinobody is natty bro lol

You’ll never have that capped popping shoulder look at rest like in these pics as a natural. It’s just not possible

there’s way more juicier pics of his shoulders will post when I find em.

At rest (meaning not flexing delt and no hands on side) a nattys delt will have 3 sides. It won’t be round and popping. It won’t be circular
 

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I can’t believe I just looked this up, but I watched him press the 120s for 5 reps…Pretty decent rom too…

I do not think he looks 24.

My guess is he purposefully stays in that low body fat range like Nac mentioned…And cruises on oils with the occasional anavar or similar. perhaps 1-2 iu growth…He’s well funded, connected and makes a living from this. That’s all the incentive he needs.

Genetics, living a clean/healthy lifestyle play a part in “aging gracefully”
 
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@Honta you got a good physique dude….just stay the fuckin’ course Like I said, stay off social media, if that’s something you look at. I know I’m guilty of it once in a while, and yes it can make anyone feel like crap, but then you remember - They stayyy on, + the photo is usually a high def camera + pump, lighting and even photoshop.
 
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I can't tell much by the pictures because every single picture it's placed in the shadows so you can't get a accurate reading of bodyfat or anything. Post a picture in plain daylight facing forward.

Judging by what I can see in the pictures I'm going to guess if your average height 5'9 ish then your probably about 160lbs and 12-15% bodyfat.

You could probably put on about 10 more good lbs "muscle" natural. To get that kinobody look you probably need another 10-15 more on top of that.

Your looking at around 1-3 years of steroid use depending on genetics and if your doing everything right.

Obviously these are guesses and estimates but I'm pretty confident in my answers.

Good luck 👍
 

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@Honta you got a good physique dude….just stay the fuckin’ course Like I said, stay off social media, if that’s something you look at. I know I’m guilty of it once in a while, and yes it can make anyone feel like crap, but then you remember - They stayyy on, + the photo is usually a high def camera + pump, lighting and even photoshop.
thanks bra and but there’s just some **** you’ll never get as a natty for example the delts. Always either looking flat or fluffy.

Pretty much every single influencer besides alpha destiny and Omar are on something. I’m going to eventually need to lose my natty card and I don’t wanna regret not doing it
 
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I can't tell much by the pictures because every single picture it's placed in the shadows so you can't get a accurate reading of bodyfat or anything. Post a picture in plain daylight facing forward.

Judging by what I can see in the pictures I'm going to guess if your average height 5'9 ish then your probably about 160lbs and 12-15% bodyfat.

You could probably put on about 10 more good lbs "muscle" natural. To get that kinobody look you probably need another 10-15 more on top of that.

Your looking at around 1-3 years of steroid use depending on genetics and if your doing everything right.

Obviously these are guesses and estimates but I'm pretty confident in my answers.

Good luck 👍
I shoulda been more clear. I’m talkin bout kinobodys “look” etc popping delts hardness and fullness. not how much actual muscle kinobody actually has. Sure id like to eventually gain that down the road but I’d be content with this amount of muscle (pic releated bellow) this guy has and just having that hardness fullness and capped delts/just overall enhanced look. Maybe not as dry and lean/more fuller but I’d be fine with that amount of actual muscle

And not sure if s4 would give me that
 

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This thread is putting my mind in bizarro world. You really need to focus on yourself and stop obsessing over these social media pushers. Everytime you answer back you are saying the same thing over and over again. Go ahead and hop on because ultimately you are gonna throw away your natty card.
 
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1st, I’m going to useless and condescending: I can’t believe this is what people are after these days. To take gear just to never train legs or build any trunk strength and just do supported pressing and cable rows & chinups exclusively. When I got into it, I wanted to be a mammoth, like the powerlifters and open bodybuilders that trained at my gym and I was seeing in magazines. Big thick waists, tree trunk thighs, gorillas lifting gorilla weights. Oh, how the times change.

2nd, I’ll say that I understand when you want a look, and you know it takes gear, that’s pretty cut & dry. Exact same reason I began using. All these big mf’ers were on the juice, so the rest was history.

3rd, to get that round the clock fullness & auto-pumping, without taking large amounts of test or similar oils, you will need dry orals or tren. SARMs fall into the dry oral camp, like Var, Winny, Tbol, Superdrol, etc. SARMs like S4/23, RAD, the LGDs, Yk11 (closer to a traditional oral). Only bloodwork can say for sure, but generally all of these can really hurt your lipid profile while on them, which longterm means putting you at increased risk for cardiovascular disease. It’s well known some fitness influencers just stay on Var most of the year, come what may. S4 may be milder, or maybe not - you will need bloodwork before starting and then continue to get more every few months to check lipids and see if they go out of whack. If it is, do NOT stay on them. Obviously liver and kidney health must be monitored as well, all your normal CMP + Lipid panel markers at least.

The smarter guys just go on their blasts a couple times a year, take a bunch of stock photos and produce a bunch of content to stockpile, then ration it. They do not try to stay optimal year round. The ones who are always on will have to reckon with that at some point.
 
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Get bloodwork before you start anything. Ulta Lab Tests or PrivateMDLabs can be really affordable, and Marek Health is pricier but offers doctor consultation if you don’t understand your results (we can help you, but I’m not a doctor, just a bro).

Then get follow up bloods every 8-12 weeks. If you start seeing red/out of range, you need to learn what it is, how significant that deviation is, and stop the orals if it’s meaningful. Your liver enzymes being a few points up isn’t a big deal. Them being over double is a sign this isn’t going to sustainable, for example, and breaks are mandatory.
 
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1. “if you’re looking for the least androgenic ur not meant for steriods” Lmfao bs. How? I want the fitness model look not the bodybuilder look

You are asking for anabolic ANDROGENIC steroids to be that which they are not. If you are overly concerned with such things then stay out of the kitchen. You are totally correct in keeping with the safer stuff like S4 which causes VISION SIDES something NO AAS has ever caused...........much safer good call!

2. also every dude I know who runs hgh looks old asf with a bloated head and bloated stomach. Complete opposite of anti aging. There heads all big as hell too. It’s marketed as anti aging but it literally looks like it ages all of them

And I am going to assume that they were all chasing SIZE and eating large amounts of food and also using large amounts of other compound like AAS and insulin. Of course those chasing size and using lots of drugs look aged. Show me the guy who ran 2-4 iu of GH and got older looking? Once again based on your opinions I think PED's are not for you.

3. As a natty I don’t even give a fuk about my natty card. Never did. The reason I want the “half-natty” look is not to claim natty but because I simply don’t like the look of more.

For a guy who does not care about his natty card you sure have mentioned being natty in 99% of your posts ITT.

I realize If I want to get in the fitness model world I need enhancement. I already have a semi fitness model bod I’m just missing the half natty enhanced look.

I pretty much just want an enhanced version of my pshqyue of what I already built. Even if that’s just slightly fuller delts and muscles
Then go get your Var, Primo and mast and don't forget to stock up on bigger pairs of board shorts.
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**** or get off the pot because these half measures are not even getting you half the results.
 
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S4 will not give you that, you have already been told this several times. , a muscle requires a certain amount of size in order to be able to hold the amount of glycogen amongst other things to get the desired look you want. The look you desire is going to require you adding some muscle size, loosing some bodyfat and then getting that muscle glycogen loaded to pop.

So, if you want that look. That popin 3d look, "please stop posting pictures of kinobody"

But the look you want. Needs a certain amount of size, a certain amount of leanness and a full glycogen loaded muscle.

I'm not reccomendeing this at all, but if someone wants that look as fast as possible with as little work as possible

Test, tren, anadrol. And you still will only keep that look on cycle.

If you don't wanna go that route, which is smart to avoid tren and anadrol, you need more time, more size, more leaning out.

You need to be bigger, leaner and fuller
 
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thanks bra and but there’s just some **** you’ll never get as a natty for example the delts. Always either looking flat or fluffy.
I know all about the delts homie…traps, upper chest, upper back….Everything looks better on cycle….Just enjoy training etc.
All of us already look better than 99% of the population
 

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S4 will not give you that, you have already been told this several times. , a muscle requires a certain amount of size in order to be able to hold the amount of glycogen amongst other things to get the desired look you want. The look you desire is going to require you adding some muscle size, loosing some bodyfat and then getting that muscle glycogen loaded to pop.

So, if you want that look. That popin 3d look, "please stop posting pictures of kinobody"

But the look you want. Needs a certain amount of size, a certain amount of leanness and a full glycogen loaded muscle.


You need to be bigger, leaner and fuller
not trying to be argumentive but how do you explain dudes like this?

these dudes who are small but have fullness and popping delts from gear use most likely sarms

if you’re saying s4 wouldn’t just enhance what I got(capped delts slightly more fuller with better pumps) then what will s4 actually do to my current phsyque?
 

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