DHB injection schedule?

SpicedCider

SpicedCider

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I will hopefully be starting my next cycle (DHB + Anavar + Test prop) this weekend, and I just had a quick question regarding the injection schedule for the DHB (aka 1-test-cypionate). Since DHB is a long-ester steroid, does it only need to be injected once per week? Or is it better to inject it multiple times per week? I was planning on running around 450 mg/week but would be willing to go higher if you guys think 500 - 600 mg/week would be better.

BTW -- the test prop should be injected once per day, right? Any advantage to injecting at certain times of day?

Thanks
 
I would inject prop ed when you wake up. Prop peaks in app 3h so if you want to complicatw you could time this with your workout. It's half life is app 22h. So it's half life isn't even one day. For really steady blood plasma levels you would need to inject prop every 12h but who really wants to do that...

Half life's study:

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DHB cypionate, so it's enough to pinn e3.5d. For instance monday 8 am and thursday 8 pm.

Don't really understand why you are using prop instead of cyp but to each his own...

Also in my opinion var is overkill with 500mg DHB... I would maybe add it to the end of the cycle so the gains will keep on comong. Or I would add something that differs more from DHB then var does.

I've got a feeling I have already wrote to you about this. Did I?
 
I’m currently on DHB, running it at 300mg/week. Using the injection schedule mentioned by Jinsun. If you haven’t used DHB in the past just be mindful of the possibility of PIP. I would get PIP about 2 days after running 400mg but nothing at 300mg.
 
Dhb is a real pain, so if the pip is too much, you’ll either have to use it even more often, or just deal with the massive pip of 2x 250mg shots diluted with test once per week.

If your DHB was made with guaiacol, you might be lucky and pip might not be so unforgiving, but instead it will sting on the way in.
 
I tend to think dhb is best run with short acting compounds so you can mix half a ml or less with a ml of something else and hit it daily without a real pip.
 
Jinsun said:
I would inject prop ed when you wake up. Prop peaks in app 3h so if you want to complicatw you could time this with your workout. It's half life is app 22h. So it's half life isn't even one day. For really steady blood plasma levels you would need to inject prop every 12h but who really wants to do that...

Half life's study:

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DHB cypionate, so it's enough to pinn e3.5d. For instance monday 8 am and thursday 8 pm.

Don't really understand why you are using prop instead of cyp but to each his own...

Also in my opinion var is overkill with 500mg DHB... I would maybe add it to the end of the cycle so the gains will keep on comong. Or I would add something that differs more from DHB then var does.

I've got a feeling I have already wrote to you about this. Did I?
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Yeah, I think you mentioned something about this in another thread. Thanks again. Thinking about injecting a small amount of DHB on a daily basis mixed in my test prop doses.

Tbl16 said:
I’m currently on DHB, running it at 300mg/week. Using the injection schedule mentioned by Jinsun. If you haven’t used DHB in the past just be mindful of the possibility of PIP. I would get PIP about 2 days after running 400mg but nothing at 300mg.
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What are you noticing so far from the DHB? Are you making really good lean gains?

Old Witch said:
I tend to think dhb is best run with short acting compounds so you can mix half a ml or less with a ml of something else and hit it daily without a real pip.
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@Old Witch That's interesting... if I'm going to be injecting test prop on a 1x/day basis anyways, should I just mix a small amount of DHB (it would be close to but not quite 0.6 ml) with the test prop and do one combined injection per day? If so, would a subQ insulin syringe work for this? The total volume of oil injected per day between the DHB and test prop should be less than 1 ml, unless I decide to go higher on the test prop.

Thanks
 
@SpicedCider the DHB has been treating me very well. Nice gradual lean gains, and the strength gains have been nice as well. Nothing crazy but as the weight increases every week it never feels heavier than the week before, if that makes sense. The two things I really enjoy about it are it keeps me looking very full even on my low carb days and I have not experienced any sides.
 
Tbl16 said:
@SpicedCider the DHB has been treating me very well. Nice gradual lean gains, and the strength gains have been nice as well. Nothing crazy but as the weight increases every week it never feels heavier than the week before, if that makes sense. The two things I really enjoy about it are it keeps me looking very full even on my low carb days and I have not experienced any sides.
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Good to hear you're liking the DHB. Just out of curiosity, are you using an IM needle to inject it? I'm thinking about using an insulin needle to inject smaller doses on a daily (or EOD basis), since I'll probably be running a small amount of test prop as well.

BTW, in terms of injection sites, which ones do you guys typically prefer for something like DHB (@Old Witch)? Is it best to rotate between various sites (e.g., shoulder, hip, butt, thigh)? Is there still a risk of scar tissue build-up if I'm going to be injecting small doses subQ multiple times per week? The reason I ask is because I typically inject peptides like TB-500 in my medial delt, but I don't want to inject DHB/test prop there too frequently if it will cause scar tissue build-up (even if injecting subQ).

Thanks
 
I personally just use my VG area for injections. I have learned from trial and error that my body isn’t a big fan of injections anywhere else, even small amounts of oil i.e. .5mL. I use 25g 1” needles for all injections. I wouldn’t go subq with DHB because if you do get any kinda of PIP or have an issue with the DHB I would imagine a subq injection would just make it worse. That’s just my two cents though. Lots of guys in this thread and on the forum way more experienced than I am.
 
For site, I’d avoid delts and quads, stick to DGs and VGs. Otherwise if its got a real bite for you, you’ll be damn near crippled. On the VG it won’t hinder your walking if there’s a real bad pip. It will just feel like a knot.
 
Old Witch said:
For site, I’d avoid delts and quads, stick to DGs and VGs. Otherwise if its got a real bite for you, you’ll be damn near crippled. On the VG it won’t hinder your walking if there’s a real bad pip. It will just feel like a knot.
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@Old Witch thanks for the tips. Dumb question but what is the DG muscle?

Also, is it ok to inject a small amount of DHB (like just under 0.6 ml) every day, even if I decide against injecting the test prop with it? Or is it a bad idea to inject a cypionate steroid on a daily basis?

Just trying to brainstorm ideas for hopefully keeping the PIP at bay...
 
The dorsogluteal site is the upper outer quarter of the gluteus Maximus.

There’s no reason why you can’t take long esters daily. They’re designed NOT to need it, but it won’t hurt anything for you to do. A guy can take 500mg all at once on Sunday or take 100mg Monday through Friday... again, the deal is going to hinge on what kind of pip you get from that dhb. If you’re getting really big knots that last for four days, you’ll run out of places to pin that aren’t crippling pretty quick. In that case it’d be better to do one big shot in the VG and get it over with.
 
Old Witch said:
The dorsogluteal site is the upper outer quarter of the gluteus Maximus.

There’s no reason why you can’t take long esters daily. They’re designed NOT to need it, but it won’t hurt anything for you to do. A guy can take 500mg all at once on Sunday or take 100mg Monday through Friday... again, the deal is going to hinge on what kind of pip you get from that dhb. If you’re getting really big knots that last for four days, you’ll run out of places to pin that aren’t crippling pretty quick. In that case it’d be better to do one big shot in the VG and get it over with.
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@Old Witch Thanks. If I decide to try once-daily injecting, what's your opinion on using a 29 gauge 0.5" insulin needle to draw up and inject a <1 ml volume of DHB + test prop?
 
Brief update -- just took my first Anavar (I hope) 50 mg tab and injected my first-ever shot of DHB. If I'm going to try spreading out 4 ml (or 450 mg) worth of injections over 7 days per week, that comes out to around 0.57 ml per day. I decided to try using a 1 ml subQ insulin syringe to do my very first shot. It was a little tricky getting the insulin syringe filled to the ~0.58 ml mark with the DHB, but once I got it filled up, I injected in in my left VG muscle (after sterilizing with an alcohol pad, of course) and didn't experience any PIP whatsoever. I mean, I didn't even feel it go in.

Was my reason for not experiencing any PIP because of the low dose injected (around 65 mg)? Or is it likely due to the oil blend used for the product?

BTW @Old Witch, was it you who recommended front-loading DHB during the first week with 2x what the normal dose will be? In other words, if I'm going to take 450 mg/week for 9-10 weeks, should I inject 900 mg throughout this first week?

Thanks
 
SpicedCider said:
Brief update -- just took my first Anavar (I hope) 50 mg tab and injected my first-ever shot of DHB. If I'm going to try spreading out 4 ml (or 450 mg) worth of injections over 7 days per week, that comes out to around 0.57 ml per day. I decided to try using a 1 ml subQ insulin syringe to do my very first shot. It was a little tricky getting the insulin syringe filled to the ~0.58 ml mark with the DHB, but once I got it filled up, I injected in in my left VG muscle (after sterilizing with an alcohol pad, of course) and didn't experience any PIP whatsoever. I mean, I didn't even feel it go in.

Was my reason for not experiencing any PIP because of the low dose injected (around 65 mg)? Or is it likely due to the oil blend used for the product?

BTW @Old Witch, was it you who recommended front-loading DHB during the first week with 2x what the normal dose will be? In other words, if I'm going to take 450 mg/week for 9-10 weeks, should I inject 900 mg throughout this first week?

Thanks
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Haha mate, it will come tomorrow and the day after that! PIP never comes right after you inject with oils. It's starts to gradually worsen and it reaches it's peak, I would say in 24 to 36h after injection.

Keep us filled in on your progress!
 
Jinsun said:
Haha mate, it will come tomorrow and the day after that! PIP never comes right after you inject with oils. It's starts to gradually worsen and it reaches it's peak, I would say in 24 to 36h after injection.

Keep us filled in on your progress!
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Yeah I did my first every pin yesterday, with test p and it felt like nothing at the time. Not the case 12 hours later.
 
Yeah it takes time. First day should feel like nothing, then when you get up, there’s a knot for a day or two. Some stuff burns on the way in because of solvents, but mostly, it’s going to happen much later that day or next day.
 
You’ll find out in the middle of tonight when you have to get up to piss.
 
SpicedCider said:
Brief update -- just took my first Anavar (I hope) 50 mg tab and injected my first-ever shot of DHB. If I'm going to try spreading out 4 ml (or 450 mg) worth of injections over 7 days per week, that comes out to around 0.57 ml per day. I decided to try using a 1 ml subQ insulin syringe to do my very first shot. It was a little tricky getting the insulin syringe filled to the ~0.58 ml mark with the DHB, but once I got it filled up, I injected in in my left VG muscle (after sterilizing with an alcohol pad, of course) and didn't experience any PIP whatsoever. I mean, I didn't even feel it go in.

Was my reason for not experiencing any PIP because of the low dose injected (around 65 mg)? Or is it likely due to the oil blend used for the product?

BTW @Old Witch, was it you who recommended front-loading DHB during the first week with 2x what the normal dose will be? In other words, if I'm going to take 450 mg/week for 9-10 weeks, should I inject 900 mg throughout this first week?

Thanks
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I recommend frontloading all long esters. But that’s because I don’t see a reason to wait six weeks to reach the desired blood concentration. I’m doing my test E at 250 a week, so the first week I took two shots of 250 each.
 
Ok, so early yesterday morning I noticed some PIP but nothing severe. Today I decided to inject 2 ml (going to shoot for a total of 8 ml this week to frontload ~900 mg) and have started to feel a small degree of PIP. Honestly, though, injecting IM with a 25-gauge needle was worse than the PIP. Not sure if I'll do all future injections IM or stick with subQ insulin syringes.
 
SpicedCider said:
Ok, so early yesterday morning I noticed some PIP but nothing severe. Today I decided to inject 2 ml (going to shoot for a total of 8 ml this week to frontload ~900 mg) and have started to feel a small degree of PIP. Honestly, though, injecting IM with a 25-gauge needle was worse than the PIP. Not sure if I'll do all future injections IM or stick with subQ insulin syringes.
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Pinning can be uncomfortable but it can also be seamless. Depends a lot on the site of injection and on technique. For instance pinning in gluts is more or less painless. I don't do it that much however bc my back likes to cramp up while doing so. I like quads, but quads can feel less comfortable, especially if you hit a nerve or something. But they can also be painless...

I would advise you not to go subQ over IM. Just learn to pin better. Do it quickly, most of the time when people complain is bc they do it to slow.
 
Jinsun said:
Pinning can be uncomfortable but it can also be seamless. Depends a lot on the site of injection and on technique. For instance pinning in gluts is more or less painless. I don't do it that much however bc my back likes to cramp up while doing so. I like quads, but quads can feel less comfortable, especially if you hit a nerve or something. But they can also be painless...

I would advise you not to go subQ over IM. Just learn to pin better. Do it quickly, most of the time when people complain is bc they do it to slow.
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I agree.
I never had any issues pinning IM in glutes. It was easy and painless.
 
I’m too lazy to read. Somebody please just PM me the ugl that will let me keep the use of my legs. I gotta get this DHB in my life.
 
Matthersby said:
Outstanding. Thought so.
Thanks again.
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No problem; AFAIK, their DHB has been tested by one of the better-known testing websites (starts with a "J") and confirmed to be legit. Hopefully their Anavar is legit as well, since the price is literally unbeatable.

Good luck, hope you enjoy your cycle.
 
Jinsun said:
Pinning can be uncomfortable but it can also be seamless. Depends a lot on the site of injection and on technique. For instance pinning in gluts is more or less painless. I don't do it that much however bc my back likes to cramp up while doing so. I like quads, but quads can feel less comfortable, especially if you hit a nerve or something. But they can also be painless...

I would advise you not to go subQ over IM. Just learn to pin better. Do it quickly, most of the time when people complain is bc they do it to slow.
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Renew1 said:
I agree.
I never had any issues pinning IM in glutes. It was easy and painless.
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Appreciate the advice. I injected 2 ml in my right DG muscle earlier today and felt pretty much no pain on the way in this time, so maybe my technique was just shitty before. Also, the PIP has definitely set in, but the funny thing is, even though I thought that it would prevent me from being able to go on a run today, the running actually seemed to lessen the pain and stiffness. Seems to be the case that (gently) working the muscle group that was injected prevents the immobility from being too severe.
 
Ok, so I can confirm that the PIP is real with DHB. So far, that's the only side effect I've noticed (have also been taking Anavar 50 mg/day as well -- started taking both drugs this past Sunday). I'm walking like the Leprechaun (the evil one from the B-horror series). In my limited experience, it seems like DG is the best site for avoiding PIP that results in functional limitations with walking, although there will still be pain. The PIP I'm feeling in the VG muscles is what is primarily compromising my ability to walk.
 
SpicedCider said:
Ok, so I can confirm that the PIP is real with DHB. So far, that's the only side effect I've noticed (have also been taking Anavar 50 mg/day as well -- started taking both drugs this past Sunday). I'm walking like the Leprechaun (the evil one from the B-horror series). In my limited experience, it seems like DG is the best site for avoiding PIP that results in functional limitations with walking, although there will still be pain. The PIP I'm feeling in the VG muscles is what is primarily compromising my ability to walk.
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Following along closely.
What dose are you running it and how long again?
And curious what that puts a blast/cycle of DHB cost-wise?
 
Matthersby said:
Following along closely.
What dose are you running it and how long again?
And curious what that puts a blast/cycle of DHB cost-wise?
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So I'm going to be running around 450 mg a week (my source's most recent batch was tested at an avg. conc. of 113 mg/ml), which is going to be about 4 ml a week. Per @Old Witch's advice, I decided to frontload with 2x that dose, which meant injecting a total of 8 ml this week (cycle started on Sunday). Thankfully, as of last night's 2 ml injection, I have completed all my DHB injections for the week. I guess I'll inject again on either Sunday or Monday. I guess I'll be spreading out the 4 ml per week between two different 2-ml injections (one injection on Monday, one on Thursday?).

I wasn't initially planning on frontloading, but that puts the cost of my 8-9-ish week cycle at around $160 (plus shipping) with my source. Also running Anavar at 50 mg/day but will probably increase the dose as the cycle progresses.
 
SpicedCider said:
So I'm going to be running around 450 mg a week (my source's most recent batch was tested at an avg. conc. of 113 mg/ml), which is going to be about 4 ml a week. Per @Old Witch's advice, I decided to frontload with 2x that dose, which meant injecting a total of 8 ml this week (cycle started on Sunday). Thankfully, as of last night's 2 ml injection, I have completed all my DHB injections for the week. I guess I'll inject again on either Sunday or Monday. I guess I'll be spreading out the 4 ml per week between two different 2-ml injections (one injection on Monday, one on Thursday?).

I wasn't initially planning on frontloading, but that puts the cost of my 8-9-ish week cycle at around $160 (plus shipping) with my source. Also running Anavar at 50 mg/day but will probably increase the dose as the cycle progresses.
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That’s freaking beautiful. Before this compound became a little easier to source, it was looking more like $400+ at least to run it for 6-8weeks.
 
Matthersby said:
That’s freaking beautiful. Before this compound became a little easier to source, it was looking more like $400+ at least to run it for 6-8weeks.
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Yeah, I want to say that for the most recent batch (which tested out at 113 mg/ml on avg), my source is charging right at $40 for a 10 ml vial. They raise and lower the price based on how high/low of a conc. the batches test out at. Just hoping that I can avoid becoming biomechanically crippled as the cycle progresses, as I need to walk around a lot for my job/school and also like to run outside a few days a week.
 
SpicedCider said:
Yeah, I want to say that for the most recent batch (which tested out at 113 mg/ml on avg), my source is charging right at $40 for a 10 ml vial. They raise and lower the price based on how high/low of a conc. the batches test out at. Just hoping that I can avoid becoming biomechanically crippled as the cycle progresses, as I need to walk around a lot for my job/school and also like to run outside a few days a week.
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I ️ this hobby.
 
Jinsun said:
lmao never thought about this as a hobby
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Well it’s definitely more than that.
There’s very little in my life I look forward to more than the gym, outside of travel, sex, and time with my kids.
I literally get so excited my stomach turns when I’ve got a new cycle about to kick!
And every gym session I think about all day prior to going.
It qualifies more as an obsession vs a hobby.
 
Matthersby said:
Well it’s definitely more than that.
There’s very little in my life I look forward to more than the gym, outside of travel, sex, and time with my kids.
I literally get so excited my stomach turns when I’ve got a new cycle about to kick!
And every gym session I think about all day prior to going.
It qualifies more as an obsession vs a hobby.
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It's addictive, you got that right...
 
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