maynehood171
Active member
This whole thread is sad but true IMO...
Designers and PH's on their way out??
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This whole thread is sad but true IMO...
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
Not sure about the time frame between these two pictures, but it is absolutely possible to put on that much mass in that time.
Those pictures resemble what I looked like when I graduated high school (~160#) and what I look like now (~230#). And that has only been about 8 years - without the use of steroids.
Those pictures resemble what I looked like when I graduated high school (~160#) and what I look like now (~230#). And that has only been about 8 years - without the use of steroids.
drewh10987
Member
I don't argue that it is quite possible for someone to pack on that much mass naturally. I have people who have known me since before I started lifting if I have taken steroids and I always tell them no (which is true....for now). People just underestimate the power of a great diet and hard training.
However, about Bonds, he packed on a lot of size very quickly. The year after he started with the guys at Balco he showed up at spring training huge compared to any previous time. They also say that simple things like his hat size increased like an inch or so between the two years. I just don't see him naturally putting on that much size that quickly.
However, even though I am definitely not a Bonds supporter or fan in any way, I do feel he has unfairly been singled out by both baseball and the media as a poster child for the steroid problems of baseball. Assuming he has used, he is far from the only guy abusing. If I had to put money on it I would almost be willing to say that I would bet as many guys use as don't, if not more. It isn't fair to single out one guy more than anyone else from the masses of players who have swelled up in size during their careers and gone on to put up incredible numbers.
The entire investigation into the steroid problem in baseball is a complete joke and waste of time and goes on to reveal how misguided our governments interests are. The money spent investigating the MLB's steroid problems could be spent on much more important things, such as finding real criminals, the murders, rapist, and real drug (not steroids) dealers, that are walking our streets. Instead we want to find out who may have used substances that 99% of the general public are clueless about and only believe what they have been force fed over the years by the government and the media. The investigation is ruining baseball. For every player they catch there is another two or three that used and won't ever be caught. So we can ignore the records of supposed cheaters, while accepting the records of others who may have just likely used. It's a waste of time and only hurts the game and ruins the careers of hardworking, great players, who have never done anything wrong. For example how often do you hear people talk about how great of a player Bonds was his entire career. He put up incredible numbers way before he bulked up, but this is constantly overlooked and he is in turned said to be a product of his supposed steroid use. I'm not saying he would have broke Aaron's record before (assuming he used), but none the less he still would have been a no doubt hall of famer.
However, about Bonds, he packed on a lot of size very quickly. The year after he started with the guys at Balco he showed up at spring training huge compared to any previous time. They also say that simple things like his hat size increased like an inch or so between the two years. I just don't see him naturally putting on that much size that quickly.
However, even though I am definitely not a Bonds supporter or fan in any way, I do feel he has unfairly been singled out by both baseball and the media as a poster child for the steroid problems of baseball. Assuming he has used, he is far from the only guy abusing. If I had to put money on it I would almost be willing to say that I would bet as many guys use as don't, if not more. It isn't fair to single out one guy more than anyone else from the masses of players who have swelled up in size during their careers and gone on to put up incredible numbers.
The entire investigation into the steroid problem in baseball is a complete joke and waste of time and goes on to reveal how misguided our governments interests are. The money spent investigating the MLB's steroid problems could be spent on much more important things, such as finding real criminals, the murders, rapist, and real drug (not steroids) dealers, that are walking our streets. Instead we want to find out who may have used substances that 99% of the general public are clueless about and only believe what they have been force fed over the years by the government and the media. The investigation is ruining baseball. For every player they catch there is another two or three that used and won't ever be caught. So we can ignore the records of supposed cheaters, while accepting the records of others who may have just likely used. It's a waste of time and only hurts the game and ruins the careers of hardworking, great players, who have never done anything wrong. For example how often do you hear people talk about how great of a player Bonds was his entire career. He put up incredible numbers way before he bulked up, but this is constantly overlooked and he is in turned said to be a product of his supposed steroid use. I'm not saying he would have broke Aaron's record before (assuming he used), but none the less he still would have been a no doubt hall of famer.
Schism
Banned
Well, this is true my friend and it really comes down to the OUT of SIGHT out of MIND theory. Unfortunately Barry has become a modern-day scapegoat for the MLB and the uneducated everywhere. And yes it sucks, yes it's bullsh!t. But if your going to live in the lime light you have to expect this type of drudgery these days! The media is a money making machine-NOTHING MORE!!
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
Actually, the government has to but its nose in. Professional sports are a multi-billion dollar business. There are commerce and securities issues at hand.
Ziquor
Well-known member
I remember when Bonds played here in Pittsburgh for the Pirates. He was as big as my left leg at the time. Banning fat's is funny. There was a law passed in some part of France where it's illegal for any woman with a body mass of over 25 to be in a bikini in public - no shi! either. I love it.
fatsuperman
Member
They are getting involved in a bunch of "here say" and "he said...she said" to out steroid users in MLB, while the CEO of Countrywide crashed the housing market with irresponsible loans that he knew would collapse. (BTW your tax dollars are fixing this mess!)
His punishment.....a 200+ million dollar bonus. This man put man working families out of homes, and cost tax payers billions, but congress is wasting its' time to decide whether Curt Schilling did HGH?
drewh10987
Member
My point exactly. If the media and government didn't make such a big deal about steroids there wouldn't be near as big of a problem with baseball. I understand the governments need to oversee professional sports, but not to the extent it has become. I also want to know how the NFL has managed to avoid all of this steroid fuse, even though every team is made up of absolute monsters, in a much more power/strength driven sport.
Schism
Banned
This is basically why this thread was started. These fcuking c0cksuckers want to ban fcuking DHEA. Just wait till they come to our industry, God help us!
O' and you'll get a e-mail back from your state congressman in a few days saying he appreciates your concern but is only interested in your safety (not your freedom of choice) bla,bla bla kiss my mothafcukin @ss you corrupt douchebag.
The federal government wants to make it were only the FDA (Federal. D!ck in the @ss) sponsored pharmaceutical corporations can produce and sell these supps.
I like to think of them as the modern day Nazis suppressing the free world with their fascist tyranny.............FTW.........
maynehood171
Active member
(Little off topic in parts but o well)
I was goign to say just that! Celebrities seem to want the fame but avoid all the things that go along with it...paparazzi
, public turmoil and humiliation, the media's eye-in-the-sky, etc. They feel targeted when they do things but being a celebrity means crossing your Ts and dotting your Is almost perfect...so if fame is the playing field they wish to play by being a big-shot then they need to re-evaluate what it means to be a celebrity and what else goes into being one. I do feel bad for Barry because he isn't the only one to do steroids, PH, HGH, whatever and break a record, but he gets the most shyt because Selig dragged his feet doing nothing about it before...like football did years ago with the better enforcement policies and the punishment for testing positive. I KNOW that there is more to all this by negotiating with players unions (since I'm sure they knew that majority were on steroids and PEDs) and shyt but nobody cared much before MLB got on the hotseat for not doing anything about it and people that have nothing to lose greed money and more fame bring this subject to the light of the world *cough - Jose Canseco - cough*. Their drug policies were weak and remained weak so Selig to try and look GOOD is now implementing just about EVERY recommendation proposed by Mitchell probably b/c he doesn't know how to deal with this burden and the media all over him but the purposals gives him all he needs to show that he's doing something. I mean b/c of how this is such an issue...of all sports...fcuking PGA started implementing/restructuring their drug policy and whatnot. Maybe they got people doping or taking HGH to swing a golf club? Yeah, the one sport that has 150+ ppl that can still play being 90 years old!!! Must be taking a toll on their bodies! I don't mean to ramble on about baseball this and that but we all know that this sparked much of the interest in all this...ban this, ban that...now supportive supplements like multi-vitamins or glucosamine? Does the FDA/gov't want to control that market as well (since it is a very profitable market too btw) and maybe tax the **** out of it and fix someone else's fcuking debt problem?
Someone asked above why football gets no turmoil? Well they (and NBA for that matter) had a decent/solid policy set in way before MLB that was/is MORE SEVERE in punishments than what MLB had back in 2002...even 2004 with the 50 games suspension for the 100th time testing positive (sarcastic but point proven). They don't even have to disclose who popped positive for what so it's not like it still isn't happening. Baseball's media problem was caused solely because of themselves...
Lil off the topic bout PHs and Designers but I've been following much of what has led to this point and it just pisses me off (sorry for the roid rage!) that they - the gov't, would go further into the known "healthy" part of supplementing and rid vitamins...sorry but I feel vitamins are healthy...:blink:
Comments welcomed...again sorry for lil off topic
CuChulainn
New member
How many people arent?? Why just yesterday I gave three bj's for test money and carjacked a centarian biddy for masteron and winny money. This is perfectly normal in my circle.
Schism
Banned
Why do you say this Ziq ??