Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act Passes Senate

[kissdadookie]

I dont really think conservatives will be on TV barking about a bill the vast majority of the population is unaware of. They have issues like Cuba to bark about, spending bills, etc...

This is an issue of inside supplement lobby lobbying politicians to pass bills that may favor the competing industry. The lobby groups create many if not most of the laws.

Conservatives complain about Obama pretty much on the hour every hour. Not many of these complaints actually ever lasts more than a brief blip in the media.

Also, totally agree. This is not something that will gain much notice outside of the politicians creating these laws. Even then, it's not something that is all that high on the list of priorities for these politicians.

 

[KilaCali]

So how a bouts would that exactly go down?

The leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world, sits down to do his actual job, what he was elected to do, and go over the forms and paperwork that actually builds the foundation on which your country is run, and then just decides, "oh hey, instead of me doing what I am suppose to do, I'm gonna go and grab Michelle, open up a bottle of bubbly and have a steak dinner before I take her into the bedroom and make her squeal like a pig before we head to Hawaii for our family vacation?"

Sounds like the doings of a very responsible world leader.

lol good stuff

 

[peter01]

Nit sure what the big issue with Cuba is...I personally would not mind re-establishing relations with a few Cubans...or Russians for that matter. I assure you all my criteria will be of the highest standards.

 

[ax1]

Nit sure what the big issue with Cuba is...I personally would not mind re-establishing relations with a few Cubans...or Russians for that matter. I assure you all my criteria will be of the highest standards.

Cuba is not an issue, its just politics. If Bush pulled that off the democrats will be barking the same thing calling out human rights violations and stuff.

 

[Methylated88]

Im a deeply conservative independent republican. And I am totally against this bill. So remember guys, not all right wingers are against phs.
If a 12 year old can legally take a hormone to disable her body from breeding, being totally ignorant of the long term effects, and get it WITHOUT her parents consent, then we should be able to responsibly use phs.

 

[Methylated88]

Btw, I am a WHITE, CHRISTIAN, MALE... LOL

 

[heavyiron]

Im a deeply conservative independent republican. And I am totally against this bill. So remember guys, not all right wingers are against phs.
If a 12 year old can legally take a hormone to disable her body from breeding, being totally ignorant of the long term effects, and get it WITHOUT her parents consent, then we should be able to responsibly use phs.

This ^^^

 

[peter01]

Cuba is not an issue, its just politics. If Bush pulled that off the democrats will be barking the same thing calling out human rights violations and stuff.

Just trying to bring some levity back to the thread

 

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[McCrew530]

Then how the heck can you go to an online website and order legit actual steroids such as test e dbol etc, and have them delivered to your door. I know for a fact this is possible I have acquaintences who have done it numerous times

Most of the time you are "agreeing" that you have a script. The other times your are breaking the law.

 

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Do you still have DermaFury available...?

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[KilaCali]

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[yates84]

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They are all on sale homie

 

[Grayson]

In this thread, who has run Alpha-1? And what did you think?

 

[decoyman]

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[koi1214]

In this thread, who has run Alpha-1? And what did you think?

CEL Alpha One?

 

[BCseacow83]

We already have plenty of bioavailibility improvements made to them. The problem at the end of the day is that the raws are friggin expensive making running effective cycles expensive.

Wild speculation here but lets assume this passes. Everything calms down for a bit maybe the DA adds the remaining methyls on the market maybe he does not. If there becomes a greater demand for the dhea based PH perhaps economy of scale kicks in as production increases to reach demand. I mean if you took all the people who use methyls and say 1/3 of them decide to start using the dhea's I imagine that would send their sales through the roof compared to past sales figures. Now of course many have stocked like diabetics grabbing the last ever insulin run lol but I for one have no issue with switching to the dhea's.

 

[kissdadookie]

In this thread, who has run Alpha-1? And what did you think?

That's methalated 1-AD right?

Wild speculation here but lets assume this passes. Everything calms down for a bit maybe the DA adds the remaining methyls on the market maybe he does not. If there becomes a greater demand for the dhea based PH perhaps economy of scale kicks in as production increases to reach demand. I mean if you took all the people who use methyls and say 1/3 of them decide to start using the dhea's I imagine that would send their sales through the roof compared to past sales figures. Now of course many have stocked like diabetics grabbing the last ever insulin run lol but I for one have no issue with switching to the dhea's.

Highly doubt that the DA will be in any rush to be super active in updating the ban list tbh. The whole PH/DS issue really isn't that big of a public and media concern ATM. Until we start seeing a bunch of athletes end up in the current news for getting caught doping, it's not much of an issue. It's an agenda being pushed by supplement companies mainly.

I do agree, I hope that there may possibly be a big increase in demand for the 1-dhea and what not helping to drive the price down. Even running it at 300 mg a day, it's costly.

 

[Grayson]

CEL Alpha One?

Cel/LGI/Celtic/BSL

That's methalated 1-AD right?

It's a PH to M1T, but is an active steroid on it's own. It's not on the list.

The original batch from CEL was wet, but reports from LGI and BSL is that it's somewhere in the middle. Phenomenal increases in strength, though.

Fairly hepatotoxic, so cycles are 3-4 weeks long.

 

[Methylated88]

Anyone notice the cosponsors of this bill? Quite a diverse group of dems and repubs. Interesting.

 

[kissdadookie]

Cel/LGI/Celtic/BSL



It's a PH to M1T, but is an active steroid on it's own. It's not on the list.

The original batch from CEL was wet, but reports from LGI and BSL is that it's somewhere in the middle. Phenomenal increases in strength, though.

Fairly hepatotoxic, so cycles are 3-4 weeks long.

BSL site states that it's methylated 1-AD. So yes, it's going to to have the potential to convert to M1T but conversion should be very low.

 

[koi1214]

Cel/LGI/Celtic/BSL



It's a PH to M1T, but is an active steroid on it's own. It's not on the list.

The original batch from CEL was wet, but reports from LGI and BSL is that it's somewhere in the middle. Phenomenal increases in strength, though.

Fairly hepatotoxic, so cycles are 3-4 weeks long.

You mean this?

Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone (Methyl 1-AD)

 

[Grayson]

BSL site states that it's methylated 1-AD. So yes, it's going to to have the potential to convert to 1-T (not sure if it will convert to M1-T though).

Perhaps one of it's metabolites is 1-T, but it's not the main conversion.

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You mean this?



Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone (Methyl 1-AD)

This is one of the strongest pro-hormones/anabolic designer steroids around. Keep cycles very short with three weeks being the most common cycle length.

It's known to have some conversion to M1T (Methyl-1-Testosterone) as M1A/Alpha One is a precursor to M1T, however legit information regarding the rate of conversion is unknown. Most educated estimates are in the 15-20% range. Methyl 1-AD is an already active steroid. Regardless of conversion to M1T, it's plenty sufficient on it's own.

NOT for first time pro-hormone and steroid users.

Alpha One is an oral pro-hormone processed by the liver. Alpha One is methylated, which puts additional strain on the liver. This harsh compounds will negatively impact blood pressure, lipid values, cholesterol levels and will stress your endocrine system.

Because of its strength, you should start with a lower dose in order to understand how you respond. Alpha One cycles are most commonly 3 weeks in length, however advanced users can run 4 week cycles

Yup, this bad boy. Not too many logs on it.

 

[koi1214]

Perhaps one of it's metabolites is 1-T, but it's not the main conversion.

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Yup, this bad boy. Not too many logs on it.

PM sent

 

[Carminb1]

In this thread, who has run Alpha-1? And what did you think?

My lifting partner is finishing up PCT running LGI's variation of it. He gained awesome size and strength on it. Very wet compound for him but no estro flare ups at all. Kept it at 40mg for 4 weeks. Did feel lethargy at times but nothing he couldn't get threw..

Hope it helps some

 

[koi1214]

My lifting partner is finishing up PCT running LGI's variation of it. He gained awesome size and strength on it. Very wet compound for him but no estro flare ups at all. Kept it at 40mg for 4 weeks. Did feel lethargy at times but nothing he couldn't get threw..

Hope it helps some

Nice!

 

[Grayson]

My lifting partner is finishing up PCT running LGI's variation of it. He gained awesome size and strength on it. Very wet compound for him but no estro flare ups at all. Kept it at 40mg for 4 weeks. Did feel lethargy at times but nothing he couldn't get threw..

Hope it helps some

Beautiful. This is what I like to hear. Repped.

 

[BCseacow83]

M1A is about as potent as you are going to get. For me right up there with SD and M1T and yes I used them back in the day. Take your SD/M1T dose and multiply by 1.5 and you have about equivalent results from my experience.

 

[juniorab]

Here's the point you're failing to grasp:

This only becomes an issue if someone ever mentions it and makes a big fuss about it and have the news media pick it up. Otherwise, NOBODY GIVES A DAMN. It's not like we're bombarded with mass trials of athletes being caught using these things currently.

No, here's the point you're failing to grasp, you said what if Obama "forgets" to sign it. Forgets? Really? There are schedules, protocols, and structure in place that need to be followed, no matter how big or how small a bill is. Yes this is not a world ending threat that needs to be resolved, but it still has to go through specific channels in the system. If bills were just "accidentally" forgotten to be signed, then you guys have bigger damn issues to worry about than opening up discussions with Cuba again.

 

[JeremyNG25]

Still not signed just checked

 

[heavyiron]

M1A is about as potent as you are going to get. For me right up there with SD and M1T and yes I used them back in the day. Take your SD/M1T dose and multiply by 1.5 and you have about equivalent results from my experience.

Try IronMagLabs Super DMZ 3.0 when you can. Its an amazing blend of Alpha-1, Dimethazine and M-STEN. 10 mg each.

 

[RickyBlobby]

You cannot be this moronic, surely?

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?

Yes he can!

Same for you douche

Most of the time you are "agreeing" that you have a script. The other times your are breaking the law.

Oh is that what it is? I mean surely the dea knows about these sites. One in particular has been up for at least a year.

 

[Grayson]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?



Same for you douche



Oh is that what it is? I mean surely the dea knows about these sites. One in particular has been up for at least a year.

Please. Just... stop.

 

[RickyBlobby]

Please. Just... stop.

Okay

 

[kissdadookie]

No, here's the point you're failing to grasp, you said what if Obama "forgets" to sign it. Forgets? Really? There are schedules, protocols, and structure in place that need to be followed, no matter how big or how small a bill is. Yes this is not a world ending threat that needs to be resolved, but it still has to go through specific channels in the system. If bills were just "accidentally" forgotten to be signed, then you guys have bigger damn issues to worry about than opening up discussions with Cuba again.

If you are not intelligent enough to understand that it was a hypothetical comment, that's entirely on you.

Look at how many bills have been pocket vetoed. It's not exactly surprising, ESPECIALLY when we are talking about a bill such as this that is NOWHERE on anybody's radar except for ours and the lobbyists pushing for it. NO MEDIA ATTENTION AT ALL. Yet you're trying to make it out as if this is some sort of bill with high priority status in which if it doesn't get signed, some sort of huge backlash will occur poo pooing Obama and his administration? Yeah, right.

Like I said, you're not grasping the fact that this is a bill that doesn't have much priority. If it doesn't get signed (regardless if this is likely or near impossible), NOBODY IS GOING TO MAKE A STINK BIG ENOUGH ABOUT IT FOR IT TO REGISTER WITH MASS MEDIA. They'll push it through next year. Big deal.

It's hilarious how you're trying to imply that this would be something that would gather some sort of media backlash against Obama if he doesn't end up signing it. Have you even bothered to look for new reports on this bill? Have you tried searching for it on YouTube? This is something that the "mainstream" fitness community isn't even aware of in the first place. This whole bill and topic lies within a fringe community.

For reference:

Generation Iron thus far has only totaled $849,521. That's probably as mainstream as this community has gotten in a long time. Gear use was also barely touched upon in that film and that's the community which the PH/DS market mainly sells to. This stuff really isn't a public nuisance and luckily, there hasn't been major catastrophic news reports on the subject being reported on. FRINGE. Nobody gives a toss to all practical purposes. This bill is not something anybody would be against but it's also something that you can be darn sure you won't see any backlash if it gets pushed back a little before becoming law. By the off chance it gets pocket vetoed, they'll get it pushed through quick next year, nobody will oppose it anyway.

 

[JeremyNG25]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?

Well the thing is that these sites look like legit pharmacies when in reality some are nothing more than AAS being brewed in a small room that looks like a crack shack. You really have to do research on UGL"s before purchasing. I have yet to see a supposed pharmacy that wasn't actually an underground lab. They can fool you extremely easily trust

 

[Grayson]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?

Well the thing is that these sites look like legit pharmacies when in reality some are nothing more than AAS being brewed in a small room that looks like a crack shack. You really have to do research on UGL"s before purchasing. I have yet to see a supposed pharmacy that wasn't actually an underground lab. They can fool you extremely easily trust

With your points, you should be more specific when you mean pharmacies. UGL and pharmacies are TWO different distributors.

Pharmacies, depending on where you look and their location, are reliable since you're getting RX quality without the RX. UGLs acquire their raws from CHINA and we, the customer, have NO CLUE how they're brewed and who's bottling it and how sterile the environment is.

At least with pharma quality, you know you're getting something that was put through QA.

 

[Jiigzz]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?



Same for you douche



Oh is that what it is? I mean surely the dea knows about these sites. One in particular has been up for at least a year.

If you think everything on the internet is legal then you're in for a shock.

Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you are "allowed".

 

[RickyBlobby]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?

Well the thing is that these sites look like legit pharmacies when in reality some are nothing more than AAS being brewed in a small room that looks like a crack shack. You really have to do research on UGL"s before purchasing. I have yet to see a supposed pharmacy that wasn't actually an underground lab. They can fool you extremely easily trust

With your points, you should be more specific when you mean pharmacies. UGL and pharmacies are TWO different distributors.

Pharmacies, depending on where you look and their location, are reliable since you're getting RX quality without the RX. UGLs acquire their raws from CHINA and we, the customer, have NO CLUE how they're brewed and who's bottling it and how sterile the environment is.

At least with pharma quality, you know you're getting something that was put through QA.

This is a site that facilities the sales of anabolics from several underground Chinese labs which have been proven to be of good quality.

 

[ax1]

With your points, you should be more specific when you mean pharmacies. UGL and pharmacies are TWO different distributors.

Pharmacies, depending on where you look and their location, are reliable since you're getting RX quality without the RX. UGLs acquire their raws from CHINA and we, the customer, have NO CLUE how they're brewed and who's bottling it and how sterile the environment is.

At least with pharma quality, you know you're getting something that was put through QA.

There is a problem with counterfeit RX as well, could even happen to your own local pharmacy. Going overseas I assume may increase these chances.

 

[RickyBlobby]

If you think everything on the internet is legal then you're in for a shock.

Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you are "allowed".

I don't think my question was dumb; how do the feds allow these sites to stay up? how can a site blatantly sell sh!t like this and not be brought down within a month?

 

[Jiigzz]

Messed up quote^

Who said what?

 

[Jiigzz]

I don't think my question was dumb; how do the feds allow these sites to stay up? how can a site blatantly sell sh!t like this and not be brought down within a month?

Im not sure; sonetimes it easier said than done. Im not fully versed on what the process is for taking down a site

 

[ax1]

I don't think my question was dumb; how do the feds allow these sites to stay up? how can a site blatantly sell sh!t like this and not be brought down within a month?

They are not naive. To keep it short, you have to understand they cant win the war on drugs.

 

[koi1214]

No I'm actually quite serious douche. I don't understand how it is possible...?
Same for you douche

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[Jiigzz]

They are not naive. To keep it short, you have to understand they cant win the war on drugs.

This exactly. People assume the Feds are not aware. They are. But what can they do? You shut one down, another pops right back up.

Things like mega upload have record labels fronting the cash to stop illegal distribution of music, but who is funding the war against UGL?

 

[koi1214]

Messed up quote^

Who said what?

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[JeremyNG25]

I don't think my question was dumb; how do the feds allow these sites to stay up? how can a site blatantly sell sh!t like this and not be brought down within a month?

Most are overseas and operate out of their jurisdiction. You don't see a lot of domestic (in the USA) sites for selling steroids being advertised too often. At least I haven't seen many

 

[RickyBlobby]

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GUARANTEE you don't talk sh!t to people like that in person.