Designer Anabolic Steroid Control Act Passes Senate

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turff49 said:
Obesity or steroids. Hmm, which is far worse. Just look around and answer that one for yourself. Don't see them passing a bill on abusing fatty foods and gross amounts of sugar abuse, I mean everyone loves a twinky and a greasy burger.

I better go ahead an order my next few years worth of injectables before those prices skyrocket from supply and demand.
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I don't know about that. Ever heard of the "Snack Tax"?. I know in NYC they have some type of laws pertaining to this but I don't know the details. I've been hearing more and more about increased taxes for fat people. Don't know why you would argue that they don't pass a law to stop people from eating like crap....This Designer Steroid Control act would seem to be the same thing but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Bottom line is on both sides of the coin we don't want our freedoms taken away.
 
Am I the only one who finds this threat hard to keep up wit? Lol. 1 full page in 10min lol
 
I remember the 04 ban...People were saying the same things, how "this is the end" and all that jazz....Then companies seemed to come up with other "products" within a year or two. Adapt, Migrate, or Die...right?. I don't know who originally said that but it's good advice I think.
 
turff49 said:
This bill had nothing to do with kids. It's nonsense to even think that. This has been pushed by lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry. It has everything to do about money and control. They are also trying to get an additional tax added on to gym memberships, fitness studios, personal trainers, tanning salons, etc. basically an added "health" tax.
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This bill was not pushed by pharm at all. It was done by large supplement companies and the lobbyist groups supporting them. Think optimum nutrition, NOW foods, etc.

Of course pharm doesn't disagree with it.
 
T-Bone said:
I remember the 04 ban...People were saying the same things, how "this is the end" and all that jazz....Then companies seemed to come up with other "products" within a year or two. Adapt, Migrate, or Die...right?. I don't know who originally said that but it's good advice I think.
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This will happen until companies literally eat through Vida's Androgens and Anabolic Agents.
 
T-Bone said:
I remember the 04 ban...People were saying the same things, how "this is the end" and all that jazz....Then companies seemed to come up with other "products" within a year or two. Adapt, Migrate, or Die...right?. I don't know who originally said that but it's good advice I think.
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The previous bill didn't have similar wording about new products that could pop up. The new bill takes the burden of proving a product is androgenic from the DEA and places it on the manufacturer. It's 100x easier to take down companies and ban compounds.
 
My major regret in all of this is not at least emailing my senators about this sooner, before it went up for vote. I know that sounds silly.
 
T-Bone said:
Really? How old are you?. I've talked to two different doctors about low T and they are absolutely against it if it's not absolutely necessary. They were both extremely serious about it and told me it would be a very long process to determine if it was even needed. I'd need to see a specialist, etc,etc...
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That's the funny thing. I'm only 22.
 
You can still buy SD from dragon nutrition in the UK. Just gotta find the right places ;) And I believe that if ordered in small quantities it should go through no probs.
 
A few things I got from it-

1)a label clearly identifying the anabolic steroid by the nomenclature used by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry ( Rc’s are safe it looks like)

2) an herb or other botanical; (2) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or a constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other botanical
( Anything derived from a plant is OK)

3) a drug or hormonal substance other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone
(Dermacrine is safe)

4) Band if it is derived from, or has a chemical structure substantially similar to, 1 or more anabolic steroids listed in subparagraph
( If its not on the list it may be safe)

5) (1) has been created or manufactured with the intent of producing a substance that either promotes muscle growth or otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone; or (2) has been, or is intended to be, promoted in any manner suggesting that consuming it will promote any pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
^^^^ ( may change how the companies promote products going forward but its not a death sentence . It may make trest illegal though)

6) The Attorney General may issue a temporary order
adding a drug or other substance to the list of anabolic
steroids if the Attorney General finds that--
``(A) the drug or other substance satisfies the
criteria for being considered an anabolic steroid under
section 102(41) but is not listed in that section or by
regulation of the Attorney General as being an anabolic
steroid;
( Instant banning is possible)

7) Unlawful Acts to possess with intent to manufacture,
distribute, dispense, sell, or offer to sell;
any anabolic steroid, or any product containing an anabolic
steroid, unless it bears a label clearly identifying any
anabolic steroid contained in such steroid or product by the
nomenclature used by the International Union of Pure and
Applied Chemistry
(you can stock up with out risk)

8) In the case of a sale or offer to sell at retail, up to $25,000 per violation.
(you can possibly still trade)

9) amend the Federal sentencing guidelines, including
notes to the drug quantity tables, to provide clearly that in a
case involving an anabolic steroid not in a tablet, capsule,
liquid, or other form where dosage can be readily ascertained
(such as a powder, topical cream, gel, or aerosol), the
sentence shall be determined based on the entire weight of the
mixture or substance;
( They covered their bases on all forms of application )

10) The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration shall
report to Congress every 2 years--
(1) what anabolic steroids have been scheduled on a
temporary basis under the provisions of this Act; and
(2) the findings and conclusions that led to such
scheduling.
(They can temporarly ban products but it will take 2 years to make it a law against it and we will also be updated every two years on what is going on)

Sen. Hatch, Orrin G. [R-UT]*
02/11/2014
Sen. McCain, John [R-AZ]
02/26/2014
Sen. Heinrich, Martin [D-NM]
05/07/2014
These are the a$$holes that started this Sh1t


( these are just my thoughts do not take this as legal advice)
 
It's still legal to buy everything now, and some folks are stocking up.

Once the ban goes into effect and these substances are illegal, what is the status of those who possess them, but purchased them when it was legal?
 
It's still legal to buy everything now, and some folks are stocking up.

Once the ban goes into effect and these substances are illegal, what is the status of those who possess them, but purchased them when it was legal?
 
Slave999 said:
Why?! Because doctors are prescribing stuff like this for "hormone therapy" like it's cool. Pharmaceutical companies are going to make a KILLING by limiting the availability.

Now, all you have to do is go to the doctor and explain your symptoms of low test and how it is negatively impacting your life and causing depression - most of us even know how to artificially impact a testosterone blood count test - and yeehaw $10,000 charge to the insurance company.
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Hrepp said:
This is true. I went to the doctor and said I didn't feel wrong in anyway, I just wanted to get blood work done to know what my test levels were (was preparing to run a cycle) and they came back at 200. I had been dieting for a few months, reason for low levels. I got a call the next week from a nurse telling me to go pick up a prescription for Andro gel. Doc didn't even tell me the risks like possible shutdown of natty test levels for life, or the chance of not having kids. He couldn't even tell me trt is for life, like wtf?! I didn't even have low test I was just on a cut!
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Wow. That's crazy. I'm still pretty young so I have never really looked that deeply into TRT, had no idea how irresponsible doctors are about it.

So essentially what you guys are saying is that the pharma companies are not down for people self-medicating with prohormones. Interesting thought. I can't help but wonder if prohormone use might actually benefit the companies that make and sell TRT, as they shut down natty T levels over time though. I mean most people on PH/AAS are doing it for teh gainz, not for male enhancement.

I still think this is more likely a case of the DEA making congress aware of designer drugs, which they have already tried to ban, and congress doing what they think is right. And you gotta admit 16 year olds and ignorant meatheads as well as sketchy companies give the whole thing a bad name and bad press.

But I gotta admit you guys might be on to something...
 
ax1 said:
They dont have to endorse it, but they also dont need to be infringing on people's individual liberties. Just stay out of people's lives. If you look at the entire war on drugs its been nothing but a complete failure and over a trillion $ lost peoples lives still ruined, even heroin has has a new surge as a epidemic as of recent times including children.
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I happen to agree whole-heartedly. That post you quoted was in response to someone saying that they should impose a legal age for prohormones, which I was trying to point out would never happen. But that's an issue that extends far beyond this one bill. And unfortunately it's a product of the world we live in. :(
 
DGA3 said:
It's still legal to buy everything now, and some folks are stocking up.

Once the ban goes into effect and these substances are illegal, what is the status of those who possess them, but purchased them when it was legal?
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Even though you purchased them when they were legal, when the ban goes into effect, having possession of a controlled subastance which is illegal is against the law. Trust me, I know a little about law enforcement ;-)
 
jmyers said:
Even though you purchased them when they were legal, when the ban goes into effect, having possession of a controlled subastance which is illegal is against the law. Trust me, I know a little about law enforcement ;-)
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^^^ Strong undercover cop presence. #aware
 
Here's a little more research into those who sponsored the bill:

5 of the 7 sponsors/cosponsors of this bill have introduced bills this year in which would expand pharmaceutical prescriptions and/or make them easier to obtain through various enactments/amendments. Maybe it's just me being a conspiracy theorist, but it seems coincidental.

examples:

Rep. Joseph Pitts H.R. 4302: Protecting Access to Medicare Act of 2014
H.R. 4299: Improving Regulatory Transparency for New Medical Therapies Act
H.R. 3811: Health Exchange Security and Transparency Act of 2014
Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. H.R. 2960: Medicare Prescription Drug Integrity Act of 2013
Rep. Jason Chaffetz H.R. 2985: Combination Drug Development Incentive Act of 2013
 
Olestra said:
I happen to agree whole-heartedly. That post you quoted was in response to someone saying that they should impose a legal age for prohormones, which I was trying to point out would never happen. But that's an issue that extends far beyond this one bill. And unfortunately it's a product of the world we live in. :(
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I see. I remember I used to have a blast drinking, especially when I got into the bars all hell broke loose. Drinking inside the High School was awesome. Then I turned 21 and lost interest, just took the helium out of the balloon and quit drinking shortly after.

I dont see legal age doing anything. The smartest thing to do is education and science when it comes to young people, and how there is a difference.....well Ill stop there you know what Im saying. Ultimately no matter what age, personal responsibility still needs to be accounted for, parents most blame everybody else at all times as if they shoved it down their throat or something.
 
I guess you could petition the local delegates enough to get the state to put it to a vote like what they have done with pot. After all, the federal government still considers pot illegal but have turned a blind eye and have allowed several states to declare it legal. Our laws have become pretty convoluted. I'm lucky enough to be at an age that this really won't affect me. I'll pin for a few more years and just totally hang it up but stay on trt. 52 right now so if I can make it to 60 with the gainz I have now I'm a happy camper.
Also old enough to have seen, used, and abused some of the best stuff that has ever been out.
You young guys have definitely got it a little harder, so most will just go to pinning at this point I'm guessing. Simply because it seems easier to get now.
 
jmyers said:
Even though you purchased them when they were legal, when the ban goes into effect, having possession of a controlled subastance which is illegal is against the law. Trust me, I know a little about law enforcement ;-)
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Sheet i am sure i had that bottle of AAR Dymethazine suspension Liquid Androgen Formula buried somewhere underneath that beautiful safron flowering mango tree back in 2015, sweat dig dig, dig deeper Alpha!! sigh :sleeping1:
 
jmyers said:
Even though you purchased them when they were legal, when the ban goes into effect, having possession of a controlled subastance which is illegal is against the law. Trust me, I know a little about law enforcement ;-)
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Yet automatic weapons and high capacity magazines from the pre-ban era get grandfathered in. (Not anti-gun speech, just a point.)

Meanwhile people possessing substances used to enhance their bodies, minds, even quality of life, albeit dangerous if used improperly (much less so than automatic weapons!!!), will be viewed as criminals...

The argument there being that consumable substances are different than pieces of hardware which are more permanent. But when you consider the potential for harm by weapons and by prohormones, that seems like a pretty insignificant difference.

The world is ass-backwards sometimes.
 
T-Bone said:
I know what you mean. I smoke crack, just once in a while.
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haha! got me on that one bro, seriously though I don't even like asking the doc for it after several x-rays and mri's of sciatica, herniated disc issues just to name a few they still try to push tons of ibprophen on me even after I had near kidney failure a couple months back I get tired of fighting with them so id rather find an easy discreet source to grab a handful for my really bad days, its pretty much not worth it though regarding the legal ramifications.. I guess better without would hinder my lifting progress and I hear pain pills and the like or bad on cycles?
 
inb4 said:
www congress gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2012/text
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Read through this


**``(2) An order issued under paragraph (1) shall not take
effect until 30 days after the date of the publication by the
Attorney General of a notice in the Federal Register of the
intention to issue such order and the grounds upon which such
order is to be issued. The order shall expire not later than 24
months after the date it becomes effective, except that the
Attorney General may, during the pendency of proceedings under
paragraph (5), extend the temporary scheduling order for up to
6 months.
 
Slave999 said:
Can you post a link to where you read this?
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Congressional Bills 113th Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]
[H.R. 4771 Enrolled Bill (ENR)]

H.R.4771

One Hundred Thirteenth Congress

of the

United States of America


AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Friday,
the third day of January, two thousand and fourteen


An Act



To amend the Controlled Substances Act to more effectively regulate
anabolic steroids.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Designer Anabolic Steroid Control
Act of 2014''.
SEC. 2. AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.
(a) Definitions.--Section 102(41) of the Controlled Substances Act
(21 U.S.C. 802(41)) is amended--
(1) in subparagraph (A)--
(A) in clause (xlix), by striking ``and'' at the end;
(B) by redesignating clause (xlx) as clause (lxxv); and
(C) by inserting after clause (xlix) the following:
``(l) 5a-Androstan-3,6,17-trione;
``(li) 6-bromo-androstan-3,17-dione;
``(lii) 6-bromo-androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione;
``(liii) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol;
``(liv) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol;
``(lv) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one;
``(lvi) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3,11-
dione;
``(lvii) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol;
``(lviii) 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one;
``(lix) 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5b-androstan-3-one;
``(lx) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol;
``(lxi) [3,2-c]-furazan-5a-androstan-17b-ol;
``(lxii) 3b-hydroxy-estra-4,9,11-trien-17-one;
``(lxiii) 17a-methyl-androst-2-ene-3,17b-diol;
``(lxiv) 17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol;
``(lxv) Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione;
``(lxvi) 18a-Homo-3-hydroxy-estra-2,5(10)-dien-17-one;
``(lxvii) 6a-Methyl-androst-4-ene-3,17-dione;
``(lxviii) 17a-Methyl-androstan-3-hydroxyimine-17b-ol;
``(lxix) 17a-Methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol;
``(lxx) 17b-Hydroxy-androstano[2,3-d]isoxazole;
``(lxxi) 17b-Hydroxy-androstano[3,2-c]isoxazole;
``(lxxii) 4-Hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3,17-dione[3,2-c]pyrazole-5a-
androstan-17b-ol;
``(lxxiii) [3,2-c]pyrazole-androst-4-en-17b-ol;
``(lxxiv) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5a-androstan-17b-ol; and''; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
``(C)(i) Subject to clause (ii), a drug or hormonal substance
(other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and
dehydroepiandrosterone) that is not listed in subparagraph (A) and is
derived from, or has a chemical structure substantially similar to, 1
or more anabolic steroids listed in subparagraph (A) shall be
considered to be an anabolic steroid for purposes of this Act if--
``(I) the drug or substance has been created or manufactured
with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that
either--
``(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
``(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect similar to
that of testosterone; or
``(II) the drug or substance has been, or is intended to be,
marketed or otherwise promoted in any manner suggesting that
consuming it will promote muscle growth or any other
pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
``(ii) A substance shall not be considered to be a drug or hormonal
substance for purposes of this subparagraph if it--
``(I) is--
``(aa) an herb or other botanical;
``(bb) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or a
constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other botanical;
or
``(cc) a combination of 2 or more substances described in
item (aa) or (bb);
``(II) is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal
Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.); and
``(III) is not anabolic or androgenic.
``(iii) In accordance with section 515(a), any person claiming the
benefit of an exemption or exception under clause (ii) shall bear the
burden of going forward with the evidence with respect to such
exemption or exception.''.
(b) Classification Authority.--Section 201 of the Controlled
Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811) is amended by adding at the end the
following:
``(i) Temporary and Permanent Scheduling of Recently Emerged
Anabolic Steroids.--
``(1) The Attorney General may issue a temporary order adding a
drug or other substance to the definition of anabolic steroids if
the Attorney General finds that--
``(A) the drug or other substance satisfies the criteria
for being considered an anabolic steroid under section 102(41)
but is not listed in that section or by regulation of the
Attorney General as being an anabolic steroid; and
``(B) adding such drug or other substance to the definition
of anabolic steroids will assist in preventing abuse or misuse
of the drug or other substance.
``(2) An order issued under paragraph (1) shall not take effect
until 30 days after the date of the publication by the Attorney
General of a notice in the Federal Register of the intention to
issue such order and the grounds upon which such order is to be
issued. The order shall expire not later than 24 months after the
date it becomes effective, except that the Attorney General may,
during the pendency of proceedings under paragraph (6), extend the
temporary scheduling order for up to 6 months.
``(3) The Attorney General shall transmit notice of an order
proposed to be issued under paragraph (1) to the Secretary of
Health and Human Services. In issuing an order under paragraph (1),
the Attorney General shall take into consideration any comments
submitted by the Secretary in response to a notice transmitted
pursuant to this paragraph.
``(4) A temporary scheduling order issued under paragraph (1)
shall be vacated upon the issuance of a permanent scheduling order
under paragraph (6).
``(5) An order issued under paragraph (1) is not subject to
judicial review.
``(6) The Attorney General may, by rule, issue a permanent
order adding a drug or other substance to the definition of
anabolic steroids if such drug or other substance satisfies the
criteria for being considered an anabolic steroid under section
102(41). Such rulemaking may be commenced simultaneously with the
issuance of the temporary order issued under paragraph (1).''.
SEC. 3. LABELING REQUIREMENTS.
(a) In General.--Section 305 of the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 825) is amended by adding at the end the following:
``(e) False Labeling of Anabolic Steroids.--
``(1) It shall be unlawful to import, export, manufacture,
distribute, dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture,
distribute, or dispense, an anabolic steroid or product containing
an anabolic steroid, unless the steroid or product bears a label
clearly identifying an anabolic steroid or product containing an
anabolic steroid by the nomenclature used by the International
Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC).
``(2)(A) A product described in subparagraph (B) is exempt from
the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry nomenclature
requirement of this subsection if such product is labeled in the
manner required under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
``(B) A product is described in this subparagraph if the
product--
``(i) is the subject of an approved application as
described in section 505(b) or (j) of the Federal Food, Drug,
and Cosmetic Act; or
``(ii) is exempt from the provisions of section 505 of such
Act relating to new drugs because--
``(I) it is intended solely for investigational use as
described in section 505(i) of such Act; and
``(II) such product is being used exclusively for
purposes of a clinical trial that is the subject of an
effective investigational new drug application.''.
(b) Clarification to Import and Export Statute.--Section 1010 of
the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 960) is
amended, in subsection (a)(1), by inserting ``305,'' before ``1002''.
(c) Civil Penalties.--Section 402 of the Controlled Substances Act
(21 U.S.C. 842) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)--
(A) in paragraph (14), by striking ``or'' at the end;
(B) in paragraph (15), by striking the period at the end
and inserting ``; or''; and
(C) by inserting, after paragraph (15), the following:
``(16) to violate subsection (e) of section 825 of this
title.''; and
(2) in subsection (c)(1)--
(A) by inserting, in subparagraph (A), after ``subparagraph
(B)'' the following: ``, (C), or (D)''; and
(B) by inserting after subparagraph (B) the following:
``(C) In the case of a violation of paragraph (16) of subsection
(a) of this section by an importer, exporter, manufacturer, or
distributor (other than as provided in subparagraph (D)), up to
$500,000 per violation. For purposes of this subparagraph, a violation
is defined as each instance of importation, exportation, manufacturing,
distribution, or possession with intent to manufacture or distribute,
in violation of paragraph (16) of subsection (a).
``(D) In the case of a distribution, dispensing, or possession with
intent to distribute or dispense in violation of paragraph (16) of
subsection (a) of this section at the retail level, up to $1000 per
violation. For purposes of this paragraph, the term `at the retail
level' refers to products sold, or held for sale, directly to the
consumer for personal use. Each package, container or other separate
unit containing an anabolic steroid that is distributed, dispensed, or
possessed with intent to distribute or dispense at the retail level in
violation of such paragraph (16) of subsection (a) shall be considered
a separate violation.''.
SEC. 4. IDENTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION OF LIST OF PRODUCTS CONTAINING
ANABOLIC STEROIDS.
(a) In General.--The Attorney General may, in the Attorney
General's discretion, collect data and analyze products to determine
whether they contain anabolic steroids and are properly labeled in
accordance with this Act and the amendments made by this Act. The
Attorney General may publish in the Federal Register or on the website
of the Drug Enforcement Administration a list of products which the
Attorney General has determined, based on substantial evidence, contain
an anabolic steroid and are not labeled in accordance with this Act and
the amendments made by this Act.
(b) Absence From List.--The absence of a product from the list
referred to in subsection (a) shall not constitute evidence that the
product does not contain an anabolic steroid.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and
President of the Senate.
 
And for all those saying DMZ, 1-andro, etc aren't on the list, look at this blurb:

(aa) promotes muscle growth

Then it's on the list.
 
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