Dermacrine "PCT" log

[SBH]

PCT is italicized in the title because this is an old man version. I'm on TRT and like the pregnenolone being in the Dermacrine.

Probably won't be doing bloods and just seeing how I feel and how the gnads are doing. I'm already in wk 3. The holidays kinda messed me up getting this started.

I am using 3 pumps of Dermacrine and 50 mgs td bAET ed. I'm also taking one IML Ultra Male (had 28 caps on hand kinda perfect for this). I weigh right at 180.

The bois are already back in town (at least right outside city limits ) I think dropping the kratom helped.

I started this right after the Alpha 7 and IML 4-andro cream log I did in the anabolics log section.

 

[SBH]

I changed my training split to this:
Monday: chest, tris & bis
Tuesday: intense cardio day
Wednesday: legs
Thursday: lower intensity cardio
Friday: delts & back
Will post this week's training in a minute. It's pretty cool that I haven't deloaded much.

 

[SBH]

Here's my training so far this week:

Monday:
Cybex bench:
155*X 10 G10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
Incline super stretch: (one handed elbow tucked)
30 X 7,7
30 X 7,7
Cable crossovers:
40* X 10
50 X10
60 X10
Cybex tricep ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
60*X10
60 X10
60 X10
Freeweight Ezbar curls:
85 X6 G7
85 X6
85 X6
Dumbbell hammer curls:
40*X10 R&L G10
40 X10

Tuesday:
30 mins upright bike (varying intensity)
5.79 miles

115lb trap bar farmers carry:
4 walks one end to other of gym.

Torso rotation:
70 X20,20 R&L
70 X20,20
70 X20,20

15 minutes recombinant bike
2.23 miles nice cool down

Wednesday:
10 X 10 feet forward squats:
135 X10
155 X10
165 X10
175 X10
185 X10
195 X10
205 X10
215 X5,5
225 X5,5
235 X5,5

 

[SBH]

Here's Thursday's workout.
1hr moderate varying intensity upright bike. 10.18 miles

Cybex ab
100 X25 G27
100 X25
100 X25

 

[LeanEngineer]

In on this for sure!

 

[SBH]

I had to do some shopping with the wife yesterday and didn't want to train late so I pushed that workout to today. Haven't deloaded much so it's going quite well.

I've been taking some pomegranate extract in the am that's standardized for ellagic acid. Between that and the resveratrol in the Dermacrine I'm getting a pretty good fat burning effect.

I weighed 179.2 at the gym today. Holding muscle pretty good so I'm liking this.

Delts & biceps:
Cybex incline bench:
135 X8
150 X6 G6*
150 X6
Leaning cable lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies:
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
70 X10,10
Smith deads:
135 X10
185* X5
205 X5
225 X5
235 X5
235 X5
Wide grip pulldowns:
120 X10
120 X10
Underhand cable rows:
120 X10
135 X8
150 X6
Hoist crunch:
L 185 X30 G30
R 185 X30
M 185 X30

 

[LeanEngineer]

I've been taking some pomegranate extract in the am

I started taking a shot of the POM wonderful in the morning. Taste is pretty good but expected for the amount of sugar is has in it.

 

[SBH]

I started taking a shot of the POM wonderful in the morning. Taste is pretty good but expected for the amount of sugar is has in it.

I like those. I don't know how much ellagic acid is in them tho. If you eat whole eggs in the am it might help with the absortion.

 

[SBH]

I am just assuming fats helping with absortion of ellagic acid like they do with ursolic acid. The benefits of these two are very similar. Both are anticancer, boost insulin sensitivity, increase nitric oxide and help with vascularity.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I like those. I don't know how much ellagic acid is in them tho. If you eat whole eggs in the am it might help with the absortion.

Yep I do. (2) whole eggs every morning. And yea fat content in the whole eggs should help with absorption.

 

[SBH]

I missed putting up yesterday's Chest, bis & tris workout so here it is.

My bAET ran out and I started taking 1 cap of arimistane( IML econtrol ) in the AM.

Had to deload a bit more but still doing pretty good.

Chest, back & tris
Pause bench:
135 X5
135 X5
135 X5
Cybex plate loaded bench:
195 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
Cybex flies:
90 X10
90 X10
Alt curls:
35s* X9 10 each arm
30sX10
30sX10
Alt hammer curls:
40s X10 each arm
40s X10
Incline curls:
25s X10
25s X10
Cybex concentration curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X 10
Cybex tri ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10

 

[SBH]

Here's today's(Tuesday)workout. I changed the trap bar farmers carry to using kettle bells and going all the way around the gym. Did 30s today but plan to up the weight weekly.

30 mins upright bike (varying intensity)
5.86 miles

30 lb kettle bells farmers carry:
2 walks around the gym. One in each direction to hit stabilizers equally.
The gym is a former skating rink.

Torso rotation:
70 X20,20 R&L
70 X20,20
70 X20,20

16 minutes recombinant bike
2 miles more true to the idea of cool down

 

[SBH]

Good leg day. Not much deloading on this one.
Leg day:
squats:
135 X8
185 X5
205* X5
225 X5
Feet forward squats:
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
Sl deads:
135 X10
185 X8
225 X6
Seated leg curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Standing calf raises:
In 240 X33G33*
Out 240 X33
Mid 240 X34

 

[SBH]

I got my lower intensity bike riding today. This helps my legs heal better after leg day.
1hr moderate varying intensity upright bike. 10.43 miles

Cybex ab
100 X27 G27*
100 X27
100 X27

 

[SBH]

Today was day 26. Holding on to strength pretty good. I'm mixing things up a bit so it's hard to know exactly but not deloading much.

I changed from the Supinated grip rows to palm in pulldowns because the rows were messing with my hiatal hernia.
Delts & back:
Cybex incline bench:
135 X8
150 X7 G7
150 X7
Leaning cable lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X 10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies:
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
70 X10,10
Smith deads:
135 X10
205 X5
215 X5
225 X5
230 X5
235 X5
Wide grip pulldowns:
120 X10
120 X10
Palm in pulldowns:
120 X10
135 X8
150 X6
Hoist crunch:
L 185 X30 G30
R 185 X30
M 185 X30

 

[SBH]

I took a 5lb plate off each side for the last 3 sets on the Cybex bench 10 X10 because I didn't think I would get them all.
I will the next time.

I will probably get a little better than 6 weeks out of the dermacrine. I always did the Nolvadex for 6 wks anyway.

I still weigh right at 180 and strength is pretty good. Deloaded here and there and even upped weights on some movements

I will probably get some bAET from iconic to run all the way thru this the next time.

Cybex bench:
165 X10 G10
165 X10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
155*X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
Incline super stretch:
30*X8,8 R&L G8*
30 X8,8
Cable crossovers:
60 X10
60 X10
60 X10
Cybex tricep ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Cable Ezbar curls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X 8 G9*
90 X8

 

[LeanEngineer]

I took a 5lb plate off each side for the last 3 sets on the Cybex bench 10 X10 because I didn't think I would get them all.
I will the next time.

I will probably get a little better than 6 weeks out of the dermacrine. I always did the Nolvadex for 6 wks anyway.

I still weigh right at 180 and strength is pretty good. Deloaded here and there and even upped weights on some movements

I will probably get some bAET from iconic to run all the way thru this the next time.

Cybex bench:
165 X10 G10
165 X10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
165 X 10
155*X 10
155 X 10
155 X 10
Incline super stretch:
30*X8,8 R&L G8*
30 X8,8
Cable crossovers:
60 X10
60 X10
60 X10
Cybex tricep ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
Cable Ezbar curls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X 8 G9*
90 X8

Nice workout! Love all the cybex machines that you always use!

 

[Smont]

What's the point here? I don't mean that as a negative thing, Im genuinely asking what's reason behind this? Is it a attempt to pct off of trt, or is it to raise dhea and pregnenolone on trt to kick sex drive and a few other things back into gear?

I've always liked the addition of dermacrine to trt. I use to do it higher tho, 5-6pumps, I've done 3 also and it still makes a difference but 5-6 is more noticeable. If this is specifically to boost dhea and pregnenolone you could pop a couple hcg shots too. It should make a big improvement combining the hcg, dhea and pregnenolone

 

[SBH]

What's the point here? I don't mean that as a negative thing, Im genuinely asking what's reason behind this? Is it a attempt to pct off of trt, or is it to raise dhea and pregnenolone on trt to kick sex drive and a few other things back into gear?

I've always liked the addition of dermacrine to trt. I use to do it higher tho, 5-6pumps, I've done 3 also and it still makes a difference but 5-6 is more noticeable. If this is specifically to boost dhea and pregnenolone you could pop a couple hcg shots too. It should make a big improvement combining the hcg, dhea and pregnenolone

The point is to restore endogenous test a bit while doing pct. Remember I am getting ready to hit 65 in a couple months. It becomes increasingly hard to hold muscle as you age. I didn't stop the trt while doing this. Sex drive is fine and I do quite well with the nitric oxide using low dose tadalafil and various sups.

I am trying to be as big and strong as I can in my older years.

 

[Smont]

The point is to restore endogenous test a bit while doing pct. Remember I am getting ready to hit 65 in a couple months. It becomes increasingly hard to hold muscle as you age. I didn't stop the trt while doing this. Sex drive is fine and I do quite well with the nitric oxide using low dose tadalafil and various sups.

I am trying to be as big and strong as I can in my older years.

I had no clue you were 65, but I'm still not understanding. Your saying pct and also saying your on trt. Are you stopping trt and doing a PCT or are you trying to run a pct while on trt. Because that's what I keep getting out of this. It looks like your saying your doing a PCT simultaneously with your trt. If that's the case you can't recover testosterone if your still injecting testosterone. You can optimize your trt with dhea and pregnenolone but it's not pct.

Sorry if I'm coming across in any kind of way, I have no bad intentions or anything like that, I'm just not understanding

 

[Smont]

So correct me if I'm mistaken.

You came off of trt and are running a pct + dermacrine

Or

Your on trt still and adding dermacrine.

Basically I'm asking did you stop taking the testosterone or are you still taking it?

 

[SBH]

I had no clue you were 65, but I'm still not understanding. Your saying pct and also saying your on trt. Are you stopping trt and doing a PCT or are you trying to run a pct while on trt. Because that's what I keep getting out of this. It looks like your saying your doing a PCT simultaneously with your trt. If that's the case you can't recover testosterone if your still injecting testosterone. You can optimize your trt with dhea and pregnenolone but it's not pct.

Sorry if I'm coming across in any kind of way, I have no bad intentions or anything like that, I'm just not understanding

I did a cycle in addition to the trt. I am doing a pct for the cycle and keeping the trt in. Hopefully I can restore whatever engenous test I was producing before the cycle. I probably will do a hcg bridge the next time. Thank you for reminding me.

My pcp isn't big on trt but gave it to me after a ridiculous low reading probably due to kratom use. I used kratom to help with pain from the 9 broken bones I had in the wreck. It is phased out now. If I wind up just blasting & cruising, I will add the kratom back in. It does a cool GH increase anyway.

 

[SBH]

@delsolrob do you think this is a good idea?

 

[SBH]

I do farmer carries 1 lap at a time. I had to stop a bit in the second so I will keep weight the same and try to do both without stopping.

30 mins upright bike (varying intensity)
5.77 miles

35 lb kettle bells farmers carry:
2 walks around the gym. One in each direction to hit stabilizers equally.
The gym is a former skating rink.

Torso rotation:
70 X20,20 R&L
70 X20,20
70 X20,20

Recombinant bike 18:30 2miles nice cool down!

 

[Smont]

I do farmer carries 1 lap at a time. I had to stop a bit in the second so I will keep weight the same and try to do both without stopping.

30 mins upright bike (varying intensity)
5.77 miles

35 lb kettle bells farmers carry:
2 walks around the gym. One in each direction to hit stabilizers equally.
The gym is a former skating rink.

Torso rotation:
70 X20,20 R&L
70 X20,20
70 X20,20

Recombinant bike 18:30 2miles nice cool down!

I use to finish off every other workout with a farmers walk or something similar. Suitcase carries are another one I like doing in it's place.

 

[SBH]

I didn't skip leg day. Just pushed it to today.
I did these at Snap fitness and the weight is more true on the Matrix Smith so this was pretty tough.
We are getting smashed with a bad winter storm tonight so I'm done till after Christmas.
10 X 10 feet forward squats:
135 X10
155 X10
165 X10
175 X10
185 X10
195 X10
205 X10
215 X10
220 X5,5
225 X5,5
Merry Christmas!!

 

[LeanEngineer]

I didn't skip leg day. Just pushed it to today.
I did these at Snap fitness and the weight is more true on the Matrix Smith so this was pretty tough.
We are getting smashed with a bad winter storm tonight so I'm done till after Christmas.
10 X 10 feet forward squats:
135 X10
155 X10
165 X10
175 X10
185 X10
195 X10
205 X10
215 X10
220 X5,5
225 X5,5
Merry Christmas!!

Some of the snap fitnesses are pretty nice. I've only been to a few though but the ones I have been to had a nice selection of equipment.

 

[SBH]

I turned Tuesday into international chest day today. It's going pretty good doing the slow deload. I would say this is helping the endogenous test some.

I believe the ellagic acid from the pomegranate extract is also helping me maintain. This stuff works very similar to ursolic acid.

I showed my wife how extreme the carb uptake is by peeing on a ketone strip and getting a reading in the middle. That was after eating all this Christmas grub for days.

It was a day late because of this weather but here it is:

Chest, back & tris
Pause bench:
135 X5
135 X5
135 X5
Cybex plate loaded bench:
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
205 X5
Cybex flies:
90 X10
90 X10
Alt curls:
30sX10 each arm
30sX10
30sX10
Alt hammer curls:
40s X10 each arm
40s X10
Incline curls:
25s X10
25s X10
Cybex concentration curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X 10
Cybex tri ext:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope push downs:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10

 

[SBH]

That's supposed to be chest, bis and tris

 

[LeanEngineer]

It was a day late because of this weather

Weather was crazy a few days ago where I live. -40F wind chill and winds up to 55 mph!

 

[SBH]

I did leg day at Snap fitness yesterday. It's kinda hard to tell how good the slow deload is going with the different training but I got it in

I dropped calf raises because I get nasty cramps sometimes with the Seated version.
Snap fitness leg day:
Matrix leg press:
220*X10
240 X8
340 X5
340 X5
340 X5
Feet at top;:
225*X10
225 X10
Sl deads:
135 X9
135 X10
Seated leg curls:
70 X10
70 X10
70 X10
Seated leg ext:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Standing calf raises:
In 240 X G35
Out 240 X
Mid 240 X

 

[SBH]

Weather was crazy a few days ago where I live. -40F wind chill and winds up to 55 mph!

We had a -20 chill factor and some snow. High of 65 today. Glad that's over.

 

[LeanEngineer]

We had a -20 chill factor and some snow. High of 65 today. Glad that's over.

Same here! Crazy what the midwest weather does!

 

[SBH]

Same here! Crazy what the midwest weather does!

Well, I'm in WV. It was all over country really. NY got the worst.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Well, I'm in WV. It was all over country really. NY got the worst.

I'm in IN. I use to live in VA. WV has some nice pieces of land. If it weren't for family I would probably consider WV or PA area.

 

[SBH]

Yesterday's workout was the last one in this experiment. I've held strength pretty good and didn't have to deload much..

I'm really wondering how much the ellagic acid at basically 350 mgs daily toward the end had to do with. It kinda amazed me how similar to ursolic acid it is.

My plan to get the deads back a bit is working. I progressed to the rack as planned. Next will be off the floor.

Delts & back:
Cybex incline bench:
135 X10
150*X8 G8*
150 X8
Leaning cable lat raises:
25 X10,10 R&L
25 X10,10
Cybex lat raises:
80 X10,10 R&L
80 X10,10
80 X10,10
Cybex Reverse flies:
70 X10,10 R&L
70 X10,10
70 X10,10
Rack deads: (5th hole)
135 X5
145*X5
155 X5
165 X5
175 X5
185 X5
Wide grip pulldowns:
120 X10
120 X10
Palm in pulldowns:
120 X10
135 X8
150 X6
Hoist crunch:
L 185 X30 G30
R 185 X30
M 185 X30

 

[LeanEngineer]

Nice workout! I typically do delts on my shoulder day but adding it in with back might be something I try here soon.

 

[SBH]

Nice workout! I typically do delts on my shoulder day but adding it in with back might be something I try here soon.

Thanx. This is more or less shoulder day. I can't do ohp because of a bad shoulder click. I can do them palm in but it kinda overwork the front delts so incline bench is my front delt movement. Rear delt work goes right along with back.

 

[SBH]

I do rear delt flies with the seat really low. It's kinda cool how you can do stretch and contraction in one movement. I focus on the contraction part of the side lat raises(the leaning is the stretch). That's why I do one arm at a time.

 

[WhosThat2012]

Well, I'm in WV. It was all over country really. NY got the worst.

I'm in WV too.. Lewis Co.. Weston

 

[SBH]

I'm in WV too.. Lewis Co.. Weston

I live in Charleston but it's on the edge of the city and there's deer and rabbits running around here.