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Dermacrine during PCT?

hyperCat

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I'm in the process of thinking through my next run. For my test base, I'm thinking about alphabulk+dermacrine. As for the ph, I haven't quite decided. My question is whether I can continue with the dermacrine throughout PCT, to help with mood. Will this slow down recovery too much? I'll be using clomid/endosurge for pct.
 
I would stop it since your trying to get your body back to being normal. I have never done blood work with using dermacrine solo so I am not sure how suppressive it is but I would think it is somewhat
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Well DHEA is suppressive but the 7, 8 benzo and Resveratrol should help with that... honestly I think the only honest answer anyone can give is an "I don't know" unless some one has blood work before, during & after.
 
My thought is this - we all know pct sucks ass. So if I can get through, say 7-8 weeks of feeling "okay" during pct vs. 4-5 weeks of feeling like hell, it'd be worth the 2-3 extra weeks to recover, as long as I can still maintain the gains from the cycle. But of course that's just hypothetical. It could prolong recovery more than that, and it may not even help at all. I know I hate feeling like crap during pct, so I'm just looking for anything that can make it a little more bearable.
 
hyperCat said:
My thought is this - we all know pct sucks ass. So if I can get through, say 7-8 weeks of feeling "okay" during pct vs. 4-5 weeks of feeling like hell, it'd be worth the 2-3 extra weeks to recover, as long as I can still maintain the gains from the cycle. But of course that's just hypothetical. It could prolong recovery more than that, and it may not even help at all. I know I hate feeling like crap during pct, so I'm just looking for anything that can make it a little more bearable.
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Pct for me made me feel good lol, I've had the complete opposite effects that everyone here expierences with anabolics and post cycle
 
I wouldn't continue use of dermacrine in PCT, it can be mildly suppressive on its own and is suggested to have a mild PCT after a solo run of 6-8 weeks.
 
OK, consensus is that Dermacrine in pct isn't a good idea. I may try torem this time for pct instead of clomid. I've been reading where a lot of people say recovery is quicker on torem.

One other question - what are some other topical alternatives to dermacrine? I've seen d-spray from Ptototype, but wondering what others are out there and how they compare to dermacrine.
 
hyperCat said:
My thought is this - we all know pct sucks ass. So if I can get through, say 7-8 weeks of feeling "okay" during pct vs. 4-5 weeks of feeling like hell, it'd be worth the 2-3 extra weeks to recover, as long as I can still maintain the gains from the cycle. But of course that's just hypothetical. It could prolong recovery more than that, and it may not even help at all. I know I hate feeling like crap during pct, so I'm just looking for anything that can make it a little more bearable.
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If you want to try a different approach look into the 11oxo bridge.
 
harbonah said:
If you want to try a different approach look into the 11oxo bridge.
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I just read PA's write-up on this and it sounds very interesting. I suppose 11oxo is a bit stronger than dermacrine, and would still considered part of your cycle. I may give this a try. Do you have any experience with this approach?
 
For the love of god Jesus Mary and Joseph...not the "DHEA is suppressive and requires a PCT" nonsense again. My fcking brain hurts...
 
JD261985 said:
I'm getting quite sick of it as well lol
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I'd like to see a valid explanation as to WHY DHEA/topicals require a PCT, but I have not. Reason? there is none. DHEA and Pregnenolone are essentially building blocks for your body to utilize to make other hormones you may be deficient in (test or estrogen...), or it can replace a deficiency in DHEA of course. If you take enough to make THAT much test, so you end up suppressed? God bless you, because you found a natural OTC TRT alternative product.....the reality? After a certain point you will see increases in estrogen (not test), once test is at a certain level...then you would need an AI not a PCT (reason all those TD DHEA products have a boatload of AI ingredients in them). AI--yes, PCT--No. When you stop the DHEA I am fairly certain you will decrease to your natural level of test/homeostatis that you were at before using DHEA. It's going to supplement your natural test level by allowing your body to create more test, it does not provide an exogenous source of testosterone capable of causing shutdown, example being androgel or topical test products
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'd like to see a valid explanation as to WHY DHEA/topicals require a PCT, but I have not. Reason? there is none. DHEA and Pregnenolone are essentially building blocks for your body to utilize to make other hormones you may be deficient in (test or estrogen...), or it can replace a deficiency in DHEA of course. If you take enough to make THAT much test, so you end up suppressed? God bless you, because you found a natural OTC TRT alternative product.....the reality? After a certain point you will see increases in estrogen (not test), once test is at a certain level...then you would need an AI not a PCT (reason all those TD DHEA products have a boatload of AI ingredients in them). AI--yes, PCT--No. When you stop the DHEA I am fairly certain you will decrease to your natural level of test/homeostatis that you were at before using DHEA. It's going to supplement your natural test level by allowing your body to create more test, it does not provide an exogenous source of testosterone capable of causing shutdown, example being androgel or topical test products
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I have done research on topical DHEA and you are right I can not find reliable literature/studies that would suggest topical DHEA to be mildly suppressive as I once believed. In the end I was basing my opinion off of what I have been told by multiple knowledgable guys on this and other forums. They have always said that at HIGHER doses & LONGER runs with topical DHEA it becomes mildly suppressive.
So, thanks for chiming in because since I respect you opinion I started second guessing mine. This had me go and do my own research and lead me to my new opinion that topical DHEA may not be even mildly suppressive.
 
Good, albeit conflicting, info here. So, what's the verdict? It sounds like Dermacrine may in fact be viable as part of a comprehensive PCT?
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'd like to see a valid explanation as to WHY DHEA/topicals require a PCT, but I have not. Reason? there is none. DHEA and Pregnenolone are essentially building blocks for your body to utilize to make other hormones you may be deficient in (test or estrogen...), or it can replace a deficiency in DHEA of course. If you take enough to make THAT much test, so you end up suppressed? God bless you, because you found a natural OTC TRT alternative product.....the reality? After a certain point you will see increases in estrogen (not test), once test is at a certain level...then you would need an AI not a PCT (reason all those TD DHEA products have a boatload of AI ingredients in them). AI--yes, PCT--No. When you stop the DHEA I am fairly certain you will decrease to your natural level of test/homeostatis that you were at before using DHEA. It's going to supplement your natural test level by allowing your body to create more test, it does not provide an exogenous source of testosterone capable of causing shutdown, example being androgel or topical test products
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I would not say they require a PCT but they seem to cause some suppression I have seen a few studies that suggest this. Invalid Link Removed Notice this part ". This effect was accompanied by significantly decreased levels of LH" Honestly I do not think it requires a pct but I would not run it in my pct either. The data in studies are conflicting so its more a best not to do then a certainty.
 
Yes I would not suggest it for PCT, just the basics (SERM, AI, Test booster, Cort control) for PCT......I was disputing the whole PCT needed for Dermacrine/topical DHEA, not the DHEA usage in PCT. It will effect you enough during PCT that it would probably cause a significant disruption in your HPTA recovery, no doubt. You would want the SERM increasing your test endogenously....and the DHEA would probably cause havoc by possibly increasing estrogen, a big no-no in PCT.
 
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