Deca PIP

SDPonce63

SDPonce63

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Hello everyone, I am currently on test and deca right now. I am taking 400mg of deca a week and 600mg of test a week. The deca I am using is Dragon Pharma that is dosed 500mg per ml so I am taking .4 ML 2x a week. I have to say this deca is killing me.... I have injected 2 times total both in the quads. The PIP is excruciating. It comes about 30 hours so after the injection and lasts about 3 days. The day after injection I cannot walk right as curling my leg hurts horrible, I can’t tie my shoe or put on my socks. I have a difficult time getting in and out of the car as well as in and out of the shower. I can’t sit on the toilet normal or even sleep comfortably... before injection I warm up the solution with warm water and I soak in the tub for 10 minutes with hot water... I am still and careful when I injecting and I still get this sort of pain... on the scale of 1 being the pain from the test and 10 being I’m gonna go to the hospital pain the deca sits around a 7...

Is this normal with deca or is it that this solution is dosed so high? Any feed back will be appreciated!
 
Have you tried a glute or vg stick with it? Just about anything can give me $hitty pip in my quads time to time. You'd think .4 ml would be pretty inconsequential though....also slin pins for quad sticks seem to make a world of difference.
 
bigbeaph said:
Have you tried a glute or vg stick with it? Just about anything can give me $hitty pip in my quads time to time. You'd think .4 ml would be pretty inconsequential though....also slin pins for quad sticks seem to make a world of difference.
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I haven’t tried the glute I’ve been alternating them with test in the glute since it’s more oil and that muscle is less dense.. I can try to see if that makes a difference in the glute
 
SDPonce63 said:
I haven’t tried the glute I’ve been alternating them with test in the glute since it’s more oil and that muscle is less dense.. I can try to see if that makes a difference in the glute
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I'm definately no expert...but I can say I did a weeks worth of npp sticks in my quad and got some pip from it. Nothing to the degree you are getting but uncomfortable for sure. Last night I switched to glute and have no pip at all.
 
bigbeaph said:
I'm definately no expert...but I can say I did a weeks worth of npp sticks in my quad and got some pip from it. Nothing to the degree you are getting but uncomfortable for sure. Last night I switched to glute and have no pip at all.
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I’ll try the deca in the glute tomorrow, should I put the test in the quad or in the shoulder?
 
I’m really trying to stick it out but not doing to do the rest of my cycle in pain where I can’t walk. I’m considering dropping the deca and picking up dbol to use in the middle of the cycle but I’ll try it in the glute to see if that makes a difference
 
SDPonce63 said:
Is it more comfortable with the test in the quad or shoulder?
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In my experience yes. Quads are just bit****s no matter what at times. If you haven't tried ventroglute before give that a shot. Best spot on the body and can take high volume - no reason you cant mix it all together and stick it either....
 
SDPonce63 said:
Is it more comfortable with the test in the quad or shoulder?
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bigbeaph said:
In my experience yes. Quads are just bit****s no matter what at times. If you haven't tried ventroglute before give that a shot. Best spot on the body and can take high volume - no reason you cant mix it all together and stick it either....
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^This man, its under 2ml a pin isnt it (0.4ml deca 1ml test)? Thats fuk all, pin both compounds together in arse cheeks and ventroglute. Four pin sites over 2 weeks.
 
Nac said:
^This man, its under 2ml a pin isnt it (0.4ml deca 1ml test)? Thats fuk all, pin both compounds together in arse cheeks and ventroglute. Four pin sites over 2 weeks.
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I do 1.2 ML of test in the glute and it doesn’t hurt afterwards nearly as bad. My issue with mixing if i get a big air bubble and I have to squeeze it out I typically just push all the liquid back in the vial and start over and I can’t do that if it’s mixed lol
 
The other thing is if your pip is legitimately from the deca itself - mixing .4 ml of that with 1.2 ml of test will SIGNIFICANTLY lessen the pip from deca - if not negate it all together. Would allow you to complete your cycle as planned without walking around like a pirate for a few months
 
SDPonce63 said:
I do 1.2 ML of test in the glute and it doesn’t hurt afterwards nearly as bad. My issue with mixing if i get a big air bubble and I have to squeeze it out I typically just push all the liquid back in the vial and start over and I can’t do that if it’s mixed lol
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You shouldnt get an air bubble that cant be squeezed out. I mean, just holding the needle upright will cause any air bubbles to gradually rise to top...where you can push them out.
 
Nac said:
You shouldnt get an air bubble that cant be squeezed out. I mean, just holding the needle upright will cause any air bubbles to gradually rise to top...where you can push them out.
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Y’all convinced me. I will mix it and get back with y’all on the results!!! I inject tomorrow so wish me luck!!!
 
SDPonce63 said:
Y’all convinced me. I will mix it and get back with y’all on the results!!! I inject tomorrow so wish me luck!!!
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Itll make life easier! Feel free to PM if you have a question - You'll get the hang of it quickly
 
bigbeaph said:
The other thing is if your pip is legitimately from the deca itself - mixing .4 ml of that with 1.2 ml of test will SIGNIFICANTLY lessen the pip from deca - if not negate it all together. Would allow you to complete your cycle as planned without walking around like a pirate for a few months
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I just figured it was the deca since it’s dosed so high per ml
 
As said before glutes. Those are extremely high concentrations. 500mg/ml, I have a test blend like that. It still hurts to some degree, but you will adapt. With a concentration like that avoid quads and shoulders IMO.
 
jakz said:
As said before glutes. Those are extremely high concentrations. 500mg/ml, I have a test blend like that. It still hurts to some degree, but you will adapt. With a concentration like that avoid quads and shoulders IMO.
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Guess it just depends on the threshold of the compound. Thought I had heard deca really shouldnt cause pip even at high concentration- must just have heard wrong. I just started running a 600mg/ml EQ that's butter - no pip at all.
 
That's great news. As I said it probably depends on a few factors. I've been injecting for years, but this stuff is a pain. Some people also have some extreme pain on T400.

Muscles will get used to it, use multiple injection points and heat the oil before injecting, should go smoother.
 
One other weird thing is I objected the deca in the middle of my thigh off centered so when I flexed my thigh I saw the muscle I marked that spot. I noticed on both occasions with the quads I would inject there but yet I would get ALL the pain from the bottom portion of my quad the portion that’s right above my knee and to the outer Portion of the leg... anyone else have these issues in the past or is this just me?
 
It's killing you because it's 500mg/ml. There's a bunch of solvents used to cram in those mg, don't buy anything over 300mg, 250 would be better
 
Smont said:
It's killing you because it's 500mg/ml. There's a bunch of solvents used to cram in those mg, don't buy anything over 300mg, 250 would be better
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This guy said what I was thinking to the T. I have a bottle of T-400 my bro gave to me just because he thought the pip was so intense that he wanted me to try it. Lol! Some friend. But seriously that stuff has some bite to it. I imagine 500mg/ml of anything has to leave a helluva lump. That’s a lot of drug and not much oil. I ran deca 300 and had zero pip... it seems to me like 300 is about the limit for low pain injections. Then again my dhb is 100mg/ml and i can still catch a sore spot here and there from it.
 
Yes! Couldn't sleep one night after a bad delt injection, nevermind lift. TRT, normal dosed AAS, 1ml or sub 1ml, sure delts. That 500mg/ml Deca? Not on your life!
 
SDPonce63 said:
Does the soreness from the delta ever prevent you from doing upper body lifts? I’ve never pinned delts
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Not once the muscles get used to the injection. I'm on TRT also so I pin twice a week for the foreseeable future. When on prop and NPP or tren it's every day. To answer your question my delts never hurt from gear anymore so no lifting limitations.
 
jakz said:
Yes! Couldn't sleep one night after a bad delt injection, nevermind lift. TRT, normal dosed AAS, 1ml or sub 1ml, sure delts. That 500mg/ml Deca? Not on your life!
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Most I will ever put in a delt is 1.5cc. Sure at first it would hurt for a few days, but in time your muscles get used to it. Well that is what my take is on it, but everyone is different....
 
I still use delts for Trt and so, but never again for the higher concentration stuff. Delts are especially convenient for things like trest, winny, etc. Not anything above 300mg/ml IMO.
 
SDPonce63 said:
Hello everyone, I am currently on test and deca right now. I am taking 400mg of deca a week and 600mg of test a week. The deca I am using is Dragon Pharma that is dosed 500mg per ml so I am taking .4 ML 2x a week. I have to say this deca is killing me.... I have injected 2 times total both in the quads. The PIP is excruciating. It comes about 30 hours so after the injection and lasts about 3 days. The day after injection I cannot walk right as curling my leg hurts horrible, I can’t tie my shoe or put on my socks. I have a difficult time getting in and out of the car as well as in and out of the shower. I can’t sit on the toilet normal or even sleep comfortably... before injection I warm up the solution with warm water and I soak in the tub for 10 minutes with hot water... I am still and careful when I injecting and I still get this sort of pain... on the scale of 1 being the pain from the test and 10 being I’m gonna go to the hospital pain the deca sits around a 7...

Is this normal with deca or is it that this solution is dosed so high? Any feed back will be appreciated!
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For what it's worth, I was using DP test and deca for a while. I was leaning out and gaining some strength, but not nearly as much as I thought I would. I contacted them and they verified my lot. I think it is underdosed. Not only that, but I get terrible PIP from the stuff. When I inject in the delts, I get a lump travels from my top tricep all the way down. I get redness in any area I inject and swelling for a while too. This week, I switched brands and I have zero PIP and zero issues. My routine leading up the the injection has been the same. I will never buy DP again. Spend a little more, IMO.
 
AntM1564 said:
For what it's worth, I was using DP test and deca for a while. I was leaning out and gaining some strength, but not nearly as much as I thought I would. I contacted them and they verified my lot. I think it is underdosed. Not only that, but I get terrible PIP from the stuff. When I inject in the delts, I get a lump travels from my top tricep all the way down. I get redness in any area I inject and swelling for a while too. This week, I switched brands and I have zero PIP and zero issues. My routine leading up the the injection has been the same. I will never buy DP again. Spend a little more, IMO.
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Thanks for the advice! I’m using Kalpa test. I found nothing but good reviews from them for about a week and a half of research. The test PIP isn’t bad at all. A little soreness but nothing off the chart. I’ve yet to experience any redness from the deca. I mixed the two in the same syringe and injected yesterday, about 18 hours have past and I haven’t experienced any major PIP since. I REALLY hope it doesn’t flare up at the end of today or tomorrow.
 
Dragon pharma prop and zero PIP! I'm loving the whole line from them! Start NPP, prop, anadrol, test E and Proviron in January. Really looking forward to that!
 
I've had luck with SiS and SP, never touching DP again, but I do have 10 vials. But the label is different from the bad stuff I have. Who knows.
 
AntM1564 said:
I've had luck with SiS and SP, never touching DP again, but I do have 10 vials. But the label is different from the bad stuff I have. Who knows.
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Go to the dragon pharma website and type in the web address from where you bought it to see if it’s legit. Mine was a verified seller
 
So I combined the deca and test into the same syringe and injected my right glute over 24 hours ago and it feels like I didn’t even pin at all. So confused, either this combination method worked or tomorrow I’m gonna be in pain... if I can get tomorrow over with with no pain I’ll be in the clear
 
SDPonce63 said:
So I combined the deca and test into the same syringe and injected my right glute over 24 hours ago and it feels like I didn’t even pin at all. So confused, either this combination method worked or tomorrow I’m gonna be in pain... if I can get tomorrow over with with no pain I’ll be in the clear
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That's good to hear. I'd bet it's the combination .... adding 3X more oil of test to deca that did the trick. Hope the good luck continues.
 
Everyone is different I love NPP which is faster Deca.
I get zero pip in lats, shoulders, triceps.

If I pin ANYTHING in legs I get crazy pip. Maybe legs are not for you with certain compounds or any at all?

Everyone responds different.
 
UA Athletics said:
Everyone is different I love NPP which is faster Deca.
I get zero pip in lats, shoulders, triceps.

If I pin ANYTHING in legs I get crazy pip. Maybe legs are not for you with certain compounds or any at all?

Everyone responds different.
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It’s been almost 48 hours since I pinned and I have less PIP with test and deca combined in the glute than I had just test in the glute.. makes no sense but I’m not complaining
 
UA Athletics said:
Everyone is different I love NPP which is faster Deca.
I get zero pip in lats, shoulders, triceps.

If I pin ANYTHING in legs I get crazy pip. Maybe legs are not for you with certain compounds or any at all?

Everyone responds different.
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How often do you inject NPP and what’s the dosage per week? Are they similar to regular deca?
 
SDPonce63 said:
How often do you inject NPP and what’s the dosage per week? Are they similar to regular deca?
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Just shorter esthered deca. Like the difference between test cyp and prop....still test. I've read guys sticking npp up to every 3 days. I'm running it eod now - ed would be best it sounds like
 
Recommend is 200-600 mg a week for up to 12 weeks.

I run it at 600 mg currently

200mg 3 times a week.
 
UA Athletics said:
Recommend is 200-600 mg a week for up to 12 weeks.

I run it at 600 mg currently

200mg 3 times a week.
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Did you notice the compound working quickly? I'm just starting week 2 420 / wk. I've slimmed up enough for my wife to notice without me saying anything...seems like quite a bit to me. Also put on about 4lbs already. This seems like it shouldnt be....
 
bigbeaph said:
Did you notice the compound working quickly? I'm just starting week 2 420 / wk. I've slimmed up enough for my wife to notice without me saying anything...seems like quite a bit to me. Also put on about 4lbs already. This seems like it shouldnt be....
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You of course gained water weight but that is not bad as glycogen stores increase allowing muscles to uptake more, looking fuller and bigger.
You may look leaner due to the fact muscles are "Ballooning"

Middle of the 2nd week is when I notice my strength increasing along with endurance. Once my Test saturated I start to really get the benefits.
Finally when EQ peaks I get great hunger, vascularity increases, along with muscle fullness.

Npp hardens my physique personally

Off Test 500 , Eq 300, Npp, 400 I gained 15lbs of maintainable weight in 14 weeks last cycle. (Took out npp on week 12)

Whilst being moderately higher than my Caloric needs
While also keeping abs and even filling out areas making me look leaner.

It comes down to diet of course but if you are eating cleaner now than before + aas + training harder you will gain weight and notice fast progression.
 
UA Athletics said:
You of course gained water weight but that is not bad as glycogen stores increase allowing muscles to uptake more, looking fuller and bigger.
You may look leaner due to the fact muscles are "Ballooning"

Middle of the 2nd week is when I notice my strength increasing along with endurance. Once my Test saturated I start to really get the benefits.
Finally when EQ peaks I get great hunger, vascularity increases, along with muscle fullness.

Npp hardens my physique personally

Off Test 500 , Eq 300, Npp, 400 I gained 15lbs of maintainable weight in 14 weeks last cycle. (Took out npp on week 12)

Whilst being moderately higher than my Caloric needs
While also keeping abs and even filling out areas making me look leaner.

It comes down to diet of course but if you are eating cleaner now than before + aas + training harder you will gain weight and notice fast progression.
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What would be the different purposes of using EQ vs Deca (not NPP)? Are both of them bulkers?
 
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