Deca or EQ
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Smont
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if your goal is size and you tolerate deca well pick deca, or stack them. Deca gives gyno flare ups fast for me so I choose eq. If you do plan on using eq then your gonna wanna dose it equal or higher then if it was deca. Low dose eq is very underwhelming
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John Smeton
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It depends,
Deca and dbol stack or add in small eq dose but currently would rather have pure deca. Deca seems to cause cystic acne, didnt start taking doxycycline, untill existing acne started growing. If someone gets cystic acne flare ups, Not a bad idea to take doxycycline 100 mgs or even 50 mgs eod for preventation. Can be difficult to do when take a lot of other supplements, that is mixed, and cycled
Deca and dbol stack or add in small eq dose but currently would rather have pure deca. Deca seems to cause cystic acne, didnt start taking doxycycline, untill existing acne started growing. If someone gets cystic acne flare ups, Not a bad idea to take doxycycline 100 mgs or even 50 mgs eod for preventation. Can be difficult to do when take a lot of other supplements, that is mixed, and cycled
Smont
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Deca will NOT cause acne. Now let me explain before anyone says it does.
Go run deca only, you will not get acne, the whole reason some guys run deca only is to avoid acne and gyno.
But! In the presence of testosterone, deca will allow more estrogen conversion.
So deca is not causing that acne, high estrogen is
John Smeton
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This is cystic acne, boulders. Even before started hormones had them. Had a lot surgical removed. Back, back of head, three under armpits. Had one on penis. Now for second time in neck which was cut out. Tried to make an appt today but they're close
Only using DECA and low dosed dbol , 12.5 mgs
Smont
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Dbol and deca is a horrible cycle for acne. The deca is causing the dbol to convert more to estrogen, and dbol us methyl estrogen.
I also had acne as a kid. When I first got into gear it came back. Mostly on my shoulders. Over time I've gotten use to higher dose of aromatizing compounds so there far and few now. But estrogen management is key to controlling hormonal acne from steroids when test or dbol or trestolone is in the picture
John Smeton
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Stopped using Ai's after crushing estrogen . Have them on hand in case but never needed them. Raloxifene
BBiceps
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It sounds like you do need them, do you have bloodwork to prove that you “never needed them”?
*you don’t have to prove to me if you do, I’m just saying that “feel” is not the best indicator if you need something.
Smont
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I thought the same when I read that post, he absolutely needs a ai and serms only block the receptors in the breast tissue and do very little to control estrogen levels. If he ditched the dbol and waited a month for all that methyl estrogen to work it's way out and ran deca only there would be no hormonal acne. Lots of guys run deca or eq in place of test for this reason. the key is you gotta significantly increase the dose to cover estrogen needs. For most ppl I've spoke to you need about 1000mg of either per week to meet estrogen needs and avoid ED
BBiceps
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^This 100%^
Smont
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Ppl freak with the no test "testbase"
, but, I've heard or eq and halotestin being a stack prescribed to pornstars and that's specifically for sexual function. I know you've heard similar, I feel like I've had this conversation before lol
BBiceps
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Haha, yes we didPpl freak with the no test "testbase"
My pornstar friend claims he do EQ by itself and says it works great 
Stacks1
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Really?? Maybe I'm using it wrong. Where exactly he is injecting it?Haha, yes we did
BBiceps
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His dick! lol, jk, I never asked but I would assume glutes. If I remember correctly it was just small dose, 200mg, 1x a week by itself.Really?? Maybe I'm using it wrong. Where exactly he is injecting it?
Idk, it’s sounds crazy to me, especially since EQ doesn’t agree with me at any dose but then again, I never used it by itself so I can’t really comment.
Smont
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See, that would crash 99% of people's estrogen so that does sound crazy. Its gotta be the dick injections lol.
What does eq do to you that you dont get along?
BBiceps
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I know, it doesn’t make sense but he claims it works
I can’t explain it but after a 3-4 weeks ON I can’t sleep. I tried all kind of dosages (high/low) and I tried all kind of sleep aids and nothing have been successful. I guess EQ really lowers my estrogen. I do get cardio benefits from it so I want to like it but I can’t deal with no sleep, plus I feel a little “off”.
Smont
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Well, the best cycles are the ones without side effects so **** it, can you handle deca? Test, decaI know, it doesn’t make sense but he claims it works
I can’t explain it but after a 3-4 weeks ON I can’t sleep. I tried all kind of dosages (high/low) and I tried all kind of sleep aids and nothing have been successful. I guess EQ really lowers my estrogen. I do get cardio benefits from it so I want to like it but I can’t deal with no sleep, plus I feel a little “off”.
If I got along with deca I'd be running test and deca on almost every cycle, because I dont I usually opt for eq or mast or both.
I'm thinking of running mast stupid high with a little test and deca in the future to see if it makes the deca more tolerable. Even 200mg alongside test gives me gyno flare ups.
BBiceps
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HA! I thought of the same cycle, moderate Test/Deca with high Mast, great minds think alike
I have had hard time dialing in my E on Deca also, especially without an AI, funny enough I respond well to Dbol and doesn’t have E issues with that
I stay fairly low dose on Dbol though but I haven’t used any high Deca dose so idk, I’m going to do another try with NPP soon so we see how that goes.
Smont
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I had similar issues with npp but npp did allow me to use a low dose 100-200 no issues, soon as I tried to go to 40mg a day (280) all the deca sides came. 30mg/day was my tolerable limit, that was 2 years ago tho.HA! I thought of the same cycle, moderate Test/Deca with high Mast, great minds think alike
I have had hard time dialing in my E on Deca also, especially without an AI, funny enough I respond well to Dbol and doesn’t have E issues with that