Deca/NPP talk

[Mathb33]

Obviously I do know the basics about the two and what they are on PAPER but I’m curious in real life how the different esters might differentiate. this question is for anyone that used BOTH and that can tell us how they liked/disliked both. Or anyone that feels like joining the talk anyways. Ive only used NPP so far for the obvious reason we all hear nowadays "kicks in faster... out of your system faster, less water bla bla". Definitely LOVE NPP. I’m just wondering if deca... probably adding more intra muscular water and more size due to all that wouldn’t benefit strength and just general progressive overload in a off season chasing gains. Deca got me curious. Of course aesthetically NPP will have the upper on but if the purpose over the lapse of several months if to add lean tissue and size in an off season.... could the longer ester have an edge? @Hyde @Whisky @BBiceps @CroLifter @KvanH @xR1pp3Rx @Renew1 @Rad83

 

[BBiceps]

Lol, you read my mind! I have recently thought doing Deca in my next cycle and the source I have been using lately have a Deca/NPP blend that I’m thinking about trying. I have no previous experience but curious to see what it’ll do.

 

[KvanH]

Can't really offer any help in this one bro, but am flattered by the tag in (even though AM never gave me a notification).

 

[Whisky]

I’m on the other side having never used npp but love deca.....

I really don’t get the sides from it either. Currently at 600mg with same test and it’s great. Dick is fine and generally joints always feel good on it.

don’t seem to hold a ton of water either so for me I see no reason to pin more frequently.

the biggest argument I see for npp is for those coming off all together. Definitely npp is by far the best option there. For you I think deca is worth running at least once for sure

 

[bad rad]

Deca for me acts like Deca is supposed to.

NPP for me acts like Tren-light. It's dry and doesn't affect libido at all but does zero to help joint a pain.

Tren actually helps my joints as much as Deca and still does Tren stuff.

 

[Whisky]

Deca for me acts like Deca is supposed to.

NPP for me acts like Tren-light. It's dry and doesn't affect libido at all but does zero to help joint a pain.

Tren actually helps my joints as much as Deca and still does Tren stuff.

ahhh tren stuff, do enjoy that as well.

I’m very seasonal, deca in winter and tren in the summer

 

[robthomas]

So I think it really how high you want to run your dose for me with both npp and deca I have run both up to 200 .
That being said deca for me helps a lot more with joints then npp both got me very hard and lean . I usually run for three to for months then take theee months off .
Both make my skin look really good and reduces wrinkles to . I put on good size just at the 200 mark don’t really neeed to go higher .
I have ran deca up to 500 when I cycled and didn’t look nearly as good when I ran it at 200.
You will feel your lifts go up for sure but not like a cycle dose but . I use npp and deca with my HRt so to speak or call it a micro blast .

 

[MadStax]

I just switched from Deca to Nandrolone Cypionate. I'm only taking 100mg/wk and pinned my first dose yesterday sub Q. My initial response is that the pip is much worse. I had zero pip with Deca. I'm hoping that'll go away after a few pins though. I'll post an opinion after a few more weeks of use.

 

[Mathb33]

Thanks for the answer guys! I guess it’s highly individual...! Idk for this next blast I’m tired of pinning so much so deca it’ll be. I’m a guy that stays dry and don’t add water easily and I feel like for my genetics deca COULD actually help me add a bit more water which is obviously beneficial in off season... NPP never caused any libido / dick issues so I’m hoping deca wont.

 

[Mathb33]

Also guys... and @Whisky whos used it... why do everyone say deca is so god damn long to kick in? It seems like people hear stuff and then repeat it without really knowing Lol... deca has a half life of 6 days... which is shorter than test E and C... so it obviously doesn’t take 5-6-7 weeks to kick in like some people say Lol?

 

[Whisky]

Also guys... and @Whisky whos used it... why do everyone say deca is so god damn long to kick in? It seems like people hear stuff and then repeat it without really knowing Lol... deca has a half life of 6 days... which is shorter than test E and C... so it obviously doesn’t take 5-6-7 weeks to kick in like some people say Lol?

I’ve never had a ‘kick in’ issue tbh.

week 1 feel good knowing it’s placebo. Weeks 2 onwards just feel good (well until the orals kick my ass). Test or test plus deca, both seem to kick around the same time ime. The joints feel better in that second week normally.

re the dick issues, I’ve also ran it 1:1 with test and used the minimum ai and caber I can get away with. Never had an issue (libido through the roof but that’s me generally).

Use cialis occasionally but only when I really want to go to town or or I’ve already sorted myself a couple of times in the day etc.

 

[BBiceps]

Thanks for the answer guys! I guess it’s highly individual...! Idk for this next blast I’m tired of pinning so much so deca it’ll be. I’m a guy that stays dry and don’t add water easily and I feel like for my genetics deca COULD actually help me add a bit more water which is obviously beneficial in off season... NPP never caused any libido / dick issues so I’m hoping deca wont.

I don’t like the watery look either so I will use Deca with Mast or/and Proviron, that should help staying lean and help with dick issues.

 

[Mathb33]

I don’t like the watery look either so I will use Deca with Mast or/and Proviron, that should help staying lean and help with dick issues.

when I say deca brings more water Im always talking QUALITY water, in the muscle, as fullness. Bringing more strength and extra benefits. I highly believe people that get super shitty watery on deca have 1- poor diet knowledge or are highly sensitive to nandrolones and sensitive to estrogen and they shouldn’t use this products in the first place.

 

[BBiceps]

when I say deca brings more water Im always talking QUALITY water, in the muscle, as fullness. Bringing more strength and extra benefits. I highly believe people that get super shitty watery on deca have 1- poor diet knowledge or are highly sensitive to nandrolones and sensitive to estrogen and they shouldn’t use this products in the first place.

That goes with all steroids (more or less) though, if you have a shitty diet you’ll have shitty cycle. I still think Mast/Prov is a good addition to Deca, if nothing else for the sexual benefits.

 

[Mathb33]

That goes with all steroids (more or less) though, if you have a shitty diet you’ll have shitty cycle. I still think Mast/Prov is a good addition to Deca, if nothing else for the sexual benefits.

You’re right! I was planning on using proviron too if I use deca... never really was a big fan of it but I never gave it a real change either... it’s very expensive here in Canada and I spend a fortune on gear already but I’ll try to run it at 75mg.. hopefully that’s enough

 

[KvanH]

You’re right! I was planning on using proviron too if I use deca... never really was a big fan of it but I never gave it a real change either... it’s very expensive here in Canada and I spend a fortune on gear already but I’ll try to run it at 75mg.. hopefully that’s enough

Should have effects with 75 mg. I notice libido increase and some (modest) hardness with 50 mg.

 

[BBiceps]

Funny enough a friend of mine just texted me and asked if I wanted a bottle of Deca, I’ll take it but not sure I should run it now since I already started Eq and Mast...

 

[Hyde]

Began my first run with it Monday coincidentally. Was cruising 150 test e/wk and just bumped things to 300 test e & 200 deca split over 2 shots.

I’ll let you know in a couple months how it’s feeling. Plan is to add 200 mast e or 100 DHB in a month. Hopefully DHB as long as I’m not gaining weight too fast already. I started at 228 and need to weigh in at 242/110 mid June.

 

[BennyMagoo79]

What is everybody's ideal ratio test:deca?

 

[Whisky]

What is everybody's ideal ratio test:deca?

I like 1:1 - works well for me

 

[MadStax]

I try to keep Deca at 1:1 with test, but not mg:mg. I go by ml:ml and that seems to work perfectly! 250mg/ml Test and 200mg/ml Deca. I was having some probs with the D, but that went away when I dropped to the ml:ml ratio.

 

[Falco1098]

@MadStax that really means you are at a 1.25:1 ratio mg/mg which is what matters as not every bottle of T is 250mg/ml nor is every bottle of Dece 200mg/ml.

 

[MadStax]

@MadStax that really means you are at a 1.25:1 ratio mg/mg which is what matters as not every bottle of T is 250mg/ml nor is every bottle of Dece 200mg/ml.

Thanks, this is why I specified the concentration of each bottle, just wasn't sure on the maths. Lol

 

[robthomas]

Ratios I don’t really believe in for my self I have ran it every which way and felt the same

 

[Smont]

If you were to dose npp daily or regular deca daily there wouldn't be any difference other then how fast it takes to start working and how fast it clears your system

 

[enhanced]

I have a couple vials of npp that I've been wanting to run, but backed out due to fears of the deca dik sides..
IF I did run this, would I go 1:1 dosing like deca?

 

[Smont]

I have a couple vials of npp that I've been wanting to run, but backed out due to fears of the deca dik sides..
IF I did run this, would I go 1:1 dosing like deca?

I think the whole ratio thing is nonsense. I'm not saying that you can't have certain ratios that work for you, but I don't believe there's some guidelines that fit everyone. For me personally I like testosterone the same or higher then whatever else I'm running and that's about it. If 1:1 worked for you with deca "Nandralone".
Then 1:1 should work with npp, also Nandralone.

The difference in deca to npp is like the difference it test e to test prop. Same thing different speed of action