in my experience (I'm far from an expert) but it is a wet compound but pretty good for strength and size at like 75-100mg per day its pretty much the same as LMG 25. You might want to have some prami or caber on hand if you dose it high since it could cause some progesterone sides. I had zero problems and gained some decent weight 15 lbs with this stacked with M-sten@20mg