Deads are stalled on 531

Rodja said:
I take it you're not familiar with the conjugate system?
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Louie Simmons' Westside training platform I am familiar. You only have upper/lower max effort days other days are dynamic so your only maxing on your lifts once a week. That system is effective I'm not denying that whatsoever what I am arguing against is maxing your lifts twice a week which goes against the conjugate system which only has you max once.
 
NYiron said:
Louie Simmons' Westside training platform I am familiar. You only have upper/lower max effort days other days are dynamic so your only maxing on your lifts once a week. That system is effective I'm not denying that whatsoever what I am arguing against is maxing your lifts twice a week which goes against the conjugate system which only has you max once.
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No, you max twice. Once for upper and once for lower.
 
Rodja said:
No, you max twice. Once for upper and once for lower.
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Exactly, you max one time for each lift a week that's what I am saying too. I think this may be a case of misinterpretation of statements. In my original post I read your original post as you were maxing "each" lift twice a week and in my response, my opinions were reflective of that. It came from my question of max frequency which was a trouble shooting question to the OP. So when you responded, my interpretation of your statement: "I max twice a week" was you were: bench max twice, squat max twice and dead max. And we're in fact an advocate of very high frequency 1RM lifts. Now in retrospect I see this is not true. I think we are disagreeing on a premise that never existed but only arose on us misinterpreting each others posts.
 
Corrent Westside trainees are currently having lots of success actually having 2 max upper and 2 max lower days (not to be confused with max effort days) a week every 3 weeks (not sure on the frequency for upper body). Basically, they'll do the typical 2 DE lower day cycles 50/55, then the next cycle they work up to a 2 rep max. Sadly I dont have the info on if they jump immediately to a 2 rep max or first do say 7ish sets of 2 reps at 60, then work up, etc. Just food for thought.
 
i do westside and i hit 1RM max attemps only every other month. i do have max effort workouts every week. i just hit 3-5 rep maxes most of the time. i see ME days as a tool to learn to strain through a lift and not just to hit 100% of your max every week.

i also do westside ala block periodization. my blocks are short with my first block being 4-5 weeks and i only hit 3-5 rep maxes. the next block which is 2 weeks i aim for a 1 rep max for upper and lower and a 2 rep max for upper and lower, deload for a week then repeat.

there is also the conjugate idea that you cycle through lifts so you rarely do the same ME lift. manyy advocates of westside also recommend doing what you suck at for most of your ME work. this is going to change over a year so you will rarely do the same lifts. one lift may have you doing twice as much as another. that lighter load will help you to strain but wont burn you out near as much as twice the weight.

there are also some westside people that train to get better at competing and not just better at working out. these people will promote things like heavy leg curls before squats. at first it might seem like you couldnt do as much on your squats during the workout, but thats ok as the goal is to get better at your competition squat, not just your training squat. this to me a big reason why people can have a training max and a meet max and how they can be so different.

but all this boils down to what is so great about conjugate/westside training. it is meant to be tailored to what works for you and what helps to bring up your weaknesses.
 
NYiron said:
:cheers: on a good debate, if everyone was always a follower and nothing was challenged we would never achieve anything innovative.

Edit: on the potential for a good debate
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Well I post on here to learn. Although it sucks because I thought I knew a fair amount of stuff I don't know as much as a lot of other people. This is good though. As I said before my workout felt different today. After I did the dumbbell rows I felt sore and I knew I was targeting key muscles
 
Rodja said:
This underscores a very prominent problem with peoples approach to training. Many will spend days researching and looking into test boosters, pre-WOs, GH boosters, etc. and spend thousands of dollars in the process, but they won't spend $20 on a book with a proven program and read it cover-to-cover multiple times.
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Which book are you talking about? I need a good strength book.
 
Lacrossedude6 said:
Wendler himself recommends Kroc Rows as an assistane exercise for blasting past Deadlift plateaus.
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Thanks man. After reading the book I feel a lot better. My lifts are going up on everything now since I'm doing the exercises correctly
 
RicFlair said:
I love (but hate) the extreme soreness in my hand and forearms the day after balls to the wall Kroc rows.
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Hell yeah, Matt Kroczinaleskis kroc Row has been the staple to developing dead lift power for years now. It will help with your grip, and topping out after the pull
 
napalm said:
I'm gonna go out in a limb here and say the book 5/3/1

By

Jim

Wendler


:facepalm:
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Yeeeeeeah I figured that already haaahaaaa
 
kokobeware2 said:
Thanks man. After reading the book I feel a lot better. My lifts are going up on everything now since I'm doing the exercises correctly
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You broke your Deadlift plateau? That's fantastic. Good work. Any details or logs?

Keep breaking records...
 
Est1969 said:
You broke your Deadlift plateau? That's fantastic. Good work. Any details or logs?

Keep breaking records...
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Thanks man. My bench went up the next week which is awesome. I've been slamming leg harder but I feel it harder to keep good form now on my deads. I feel it should be the opposite
 
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