deadlifting with gloves?

stullsy said:
are you serious? a whole day dedicated to grip work? thats like having a hole day dedicated to calves or biceps lol! I have a 150 lb hand gripper laying on my desk and when i feel like blasting a few reps with it i do. I do grip work every other week at the end of my back day.
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What are you talking about? Someone asked why not continue doing grip work directly after deadlifting, I said because it's a day in dedication to direct back movements, dominant stimulus to the back comes from pulling from the infront or from the overhead and therefore would automatically work the grip. He said on back day, then someone commented about grip movemens, the grip would naturally be worked on a back day; however, the day itself is dedicated to specialized movements of the back and not the grips.

There's nothing wrong with giving biceps their own day. I mean, I wouldn't do it and I certainly wouldn't suggest it, but people do it all the time with great response. It's a little unnecessary, but people tend to do it and it's hard to argue results.
 
GymRat7197 said:
What are you talking about? Someone asked why not continue doing grip work directly after deadlifting, I said because it's a day in dedication to direct back movements, dominant stimulus to the back comes from pulling from the infront or from the overhead and therefore would automatically work the grip. He said on back day, then someone commented about grip movemens, the grip would naturally be worked on a back day; however, the day itself is dedicated to specialized movements of the back and not the grips.

There's nothing wrong with giving biceps their own day. I mean, I wouldn't do it and I certainly wouldn't suggest it, but people do it all the time with great response. It's a little unnecessary, but people tend to do it and it's hard to argue results.
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grip is naturally worked anytime you have to grab something. and its like saying why would you follow up with triceps after you do pressing movements. why not?

yeah, i always see kids in the gym doing biceps every other day and they have some great looking arms, but i also lift with powerlifters that do hammer curls and run the rack once a week and their arms look like canons.
 
grip is naturally worked anytime you have to grab something. and its like saying why would you follow up with triceps after you do pressing movements. why not?
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Yeah but grips are worked more with pull movements.

yeah, i always see kids in the gym doing biceps every other day and they have some great looking arms, but i also lift with powerlifters that do hammer curls and run the rack once a week and their arms look like canons.
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Powerlifters lift with so much weight is siginificantly overloads the biceps. I don't even know why kids respond from what they try, it should be against the law. Then they plaster advice around and everyone everyone else looking ignorant for listening to it.
 
GymRat7197 said:
Yeah but grips are worked more with pull movements.



Powerlifters lift with so much weight is siginificantly overloads the biceps. I don't even know why kids respond from what they try, it should be against the law. Then they plaster advice around and everyone everyone else looking ignorant for listening to it.
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kids that get signifcant results from working arms all the time prolly just started working out id workout 4 times a week last year.. All upper body bench and tris did a **** ton for arms and had some guns and my arms were ripped.

Now im wiser and been lifting a while it hurts to curl everyday or do tris everyday. I do a PL style lifting and my arms have responded there 16 inches flexed and thats not after lifting and i hardly do biceps at all usually do strip set on barbell curls and a couple sets of preacher... if i did a day directed for arms id prolly get to 17 inches in a year or so..
 
brownstown89 said:
kids that get signifcant results from working arms all the time prolly just started working out id workout 4 times a week last year.. All upper body bench and tris did a **** ton for arms and had some guns and my arms were ripped.

Now im wiser and been lifting a while it hurts to curl everyday or do tris everyday. I do a PL style lifting and my arms have responded there 16 inches flexed and thats not after lifting and i hardly do biceps at all usually do strip set on barbell curls and a couple sets of preacher... if i did a day directed for arms id prolly get to 17 inches in a year or so..
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Yeah, exactly. With most people, arms will grow in proportion to the rest of the body with a powerlifting style approach. People think powerlifting style is only for those who wish to gain strength, simply not true. Powerlifting style approaches I have seen to the one of the best approaches for beginners.

My arms are stubbern though, I require direct utilization from isolated movements to the joints. I recently recruited chins as my direct biceps movement, my arms actually broke a plateau and jumped from 13" to 15" when I stopped using arm movements all together.

Many people don't realize, but it's a general rule of thumb that you gain 1 inch to your arms every 15 lbs of muscle you gain, now what is more likely to put muscle on you faster, deadlifts and squats or tricep extensions and concentration curls?
 
lol yes arms do get worked with squats cuz when u start getting stuck u do use ur ARMS to push it up believe it or not.. i saw brian cushing squatting and joe Defranco yelling at him for pushing the weight with his arms. but they dont signifcantly add to ur arms i dont think.. if i wanted to add mass on arms

Reverse Grip Bench Weighted Dips Close grip bench to start go heavy
SKull Crushers DB extentions Overhead cable extentions come 2nd
various pulldowns 3rd

you can do that after chest..
 
brownstown89 said:
lol yes arms do get worked with squats cuz when u start getting stuck u do use ur ARMS to push it up believe it or not.. i saw brian cushing squatting and joe Defranco yelling at him for pushing the weight with his arms. but they dont signifcantly add to ur arms i dont think.. if i wanted to add mass on arms
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Squats don't overload the arms. Arms can grow from squats, you're correct. But there's no way your arms will be able to push the external load from behind your head if your legs fail to push it up. Unless you are horribly imbalanced.
 
AnthonyIOSOS said:
I've always said if you need gloves or chalk then you need a new bar.
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ROFL i
f you need gloves you need a pair of ****in balls.
Also whats wrong with chalk? Id like to see how you hold atleast 315 lbs let alone 405 lbs in your hand for long while doing moderate reps with deadlifts. The difference is there. Chalk gives you added adhesion which the bar will help stay in place. In return lets you move weight off the floor instead of worrying about your grip on the bar and placing focus on the grip and the bar slipping out instead of lifting the weight and the movement. Unless you got sand paper hands then stfu.
 
Sk8erboy said:
ROFL i
f you need gloves you need a pair of ****in balls.
Also whats wrong with chalk? Id like to see how you hold atleast 315 lbs let alone 405 lbs in your hand for long while doing moderate reps with deadlifts. The difference is there. Chalk gives you added adhesion which the bar will help stay in place. In return lets you move weight off the floor instead of worrying about your grip on the bar and placing focus on the grip and the bar slipping out instead of lifting the weight and the movement. Unless you got sand paper hands then stfu.
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My point is towards the gym. If the gym has bars with no grip and you must use gloves or chalk then they need to be replaced. Most decent gyms have bars with enough grip to deadlift 315 pds. I have never used gloves or chalk and can dl 315 just fine.
 
Most people use chalk because their hands have gotten sweaty in the gym. This prevents the bar from slipping, how a new bar will prevent your hands from sweating I don't know. Using chalk is ideal, I really don't like the idea of gloves though.
 
GymRat7197 said:
Most people use chalk because their hands have gotten sweaty in the gym. This prevents the bar from slipping, how a new bar will prevent your hands from sweating I don't know. Using chalk is ideal, I really don't like the idea of gloves though.
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I never had the problem of my hands being to sweaty. During my rest I wipe them on my pants and I'm good to go. There may be a day where I might need chalk, who knows.
 
Do what feels best to you, not what feels best to others. All the stuff about gloves being for pansies is built on the assumption that you give a **** about what people think in the first place. I lift bare-handed with no chalk - that's what feels best for me. If you like gloves, wear gloves. You like chalk, use chalk.

Nothing real manly about callouses, but I've got'em.
 
AnthonyIOSOS said:
My point is towards the gym. If the gym has bars with no grip and you must use gloves or chalk then they need to be replaced. Most decent gyms have bars with enough grip to deadlift 315 pds. I have never used gloves or chalk and can dl 315 just fine.
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congrats thats you. ed coan can probably pull 600 with no glvoes or chalk. so i guess i should be able to too?
 
brownstown89 said:
congrats thats you. ed coan can probably pull 600 with no glvoes or chalk. so i guess i should be able to too?
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Don't be so sensitive.
You're missing the point. The point is you need to adjust your expectations and don't make excuses. The point is that you don't have to be superhuman to hold onto a 500 or 600 lb. DL no matter what the weight class. It may take more work for some than others, but it is within reach.
When I started powerlifting 5 yrs ago, a 600+ SQ or DL or a 500+ BP seemed out of reach, even with equipment. My last meet I went 750-525-655. A big reason for this is I started training with someone with a 1000 lb. SQ and 680 BP, so the numbers I was trying to reach didn't seem like a big deal. Most people are capable of being much stronger than they realize, even without drugs or great genetics. It takes hard, smart training, the right attitude, and hopefully some good training partners. Keep working hard and don't put mental limits on yourself.
 
underdog13 said:
I use gloves deadlifting because its not practical or affordable for me to use chalk. Would i be able to lift more or less with chalk or would it make little difference?
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all this talk and no one mentioned versa grip pros?

I agree gloves are for losers. I dont think straps just do it for me on deads, chalk not allowed at my gym. Chalk is the best everyone says but havent tried it. However I love versa gripps for deadlifting, only thing I use for them besides a belt of course. google versa grips and check em' out well worth the price. They are similar to hooks/straps but are a combo basically
 
Train like you compete. if you cant use versa gripps in competition, dont bother getting them. pick up some stickums, or sticky spray. those are legal in comps. as is chaulk.
 
No gloves here. save them for yard work lol. If ya wanna work your grip, work it with exercises, not wear gloves and say that is doing it cuz its harder. whoever said gloves enhances ur grips gotta be drunk. gloves suck. chalk it up, grab hold n go. If you still can't hold it, work that grip. Straps never helped me much. so i don't like'm. however if they help you finsh a bodypart off that you nornmally couldn't, go for it. I wouldn't start out with them thou, exhaust your grip first.
 
what federation is stickum on a bar legal in??? i've used it on stones at strongman contests, but even there, i've never seen it allowed in an event that used a barbell.
use what ever you like, not everyone will compete, but if yer gonna, train the way you will lift meet day. honestly, i don't think gloves would enhance anyones grip strength, mighjt make it more comfortable, but thats just one more layer of possible slippage. i use strapa for a lot of my back work, i don't think i would really be able to fully tax my back w/o them, and i've got a decent grip. i always deadlift from the floor w/o them( my best lift in a meet is 735, and 775 in the gym) but if i'm pullin out of the rack tryin to overload my lock out, thats i want to limit me, my lockout strength, not my grip. i do feel fer anyone that can't use chaly at there gym, even if yer not sweating, the hands are easily comprimised by oils, dust, any number of things that will detract from yer grip at heavy weights, no matter how new the bar is or deep the knurling is, and chalk is the best way to counter that.
 
bigbad71 said:
what federation is stickum on a bar legal in??? i've used it on stones at strongman contests, but even there, i've never seen it allowed in an event that used a barbell.
use what ever you like, not everyone will compete, but if yer gonna, train the way you will lift meet day. honestly, i don't think gloves would enhance anyones grip strength, mighjt make it more comfortable, but thats just one more layer of possible slippage. i use strapa for a lot of my back work, i don't think i would really be able to fully tax my back w/o them, and i've got a decent grip. i always deadlift from the floor w/o them( my best lift in a meet is 735, and 775 in the gym) but if i'm pullin out of the rack tryin to overload my lock out, thats i want to limit me, my lockout strength, not my grip. i do feel fer anyone that can't use chaly at there gym, even if yer not sweating, the hands are easily comprimised by oils, dust, any number of things that will detract from yer grip at heavy weights, no matter how new the bar is or deep the knurling is, and chalk is the best way to counter that.
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I dont think its legal in any federation....
 
try these Big Back Grips things

hey, new member here. I use these things Big Back Grips. Very effective. Much more than those lynx things. I think you can just google big back grips
 
i just started using something called an "eco-ball" it costs about 4 dollars. it was made for rock climbers and its basically like chalk but it has little to no mess. it works close to if not as good as chalk IMO, and most all gyms will allow it.
 
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