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dbol?

doctorcrash said:
dam burn... i actually have done some research thats what ive come up with as well..

****.. in all honesty i dont like needles...
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You think any of us LIKE needles? If I could get around the hassle of injecting I would. Trust me. It's not a like/dislike issue. The fact is, it's a night and day difference in results... and the injections dont hurt. The hardest one is the first and the rest are minor in comparison. Once you see the needle go in and realize it hurts more to bite your cheek while chewing, you get over it pretty quick.
 
jbryand101b said:
You don't have to pin to keep gains, just know how to use aas.

if one can inject, they def should though.
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That's a double edged sword. An educated user would come to the conclusion that they should pin. I say this as someone who did oral only cycles in the past and looking back could have used my time/money/body much more wisely.
 
doctorcrash said:
I never said i was ready for dbol in any part of my post lol. But its happening so embrace that part of it. What i was askin for is advice for preperation and cycle therapys. Maybe a liver product or somethin like that.
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Yeah man steroids is kinda like having a first baby, lol. No one is ever truly ready for it cause we just don't know what we're getting into first hand. While these others guys have a strong, sensible point. I can honestly say the fastest learning curve is actually doing the roids. In fact, hormone supplementation tends to exaggerate the pro's and con's of any man's diet and training program. If it's golden, your results will let you know that your doing things right! If not, however, your results will be "sub-par". For instance, if your diet sucks, you'll get just as much fat gains and you did muscle gains. If your leg routine sucks but everything else is good, you'll get huge everywhere BUT the legs. I kinda think steroids do more revealing of strengths and weakness than anything else.

BTW, pinning is the best option. If I could go back, I'd never have fooled with orals only and jacking up my cholesterol and liver values. Rather, I would have run 500mg/test for 12 weeks and enjoyed 10lbs of lean gains and a 20% increase in strength.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yeah man steroids is kinda like having a first baby, lol. No one is ever truly ready for it cause we just don't know what we're getting into first hand. While these others guys have a strong, sensible point. I can honestly say the fastest learning curve is actually doing the roids. In fact, hormone supplementation tends to exaggerate the pro's and con's of any man's diet and training program. If it's golden, your results will let you know that your doing things right! If not, however, your results will be "sub-par". For instance, if your diet sucks, you'll get just as much fat gains and you did muscle gains. If your leg routine sucks but everything else is good, you'll get huge everywhere BUT the legs. I kinda think steroids do more revealing of strengths and weakness than anything else.

BTW, pinning is the best option. If I could go back, I'd never have fooled with orals only and jacking up my cholesterol and liver values. Rather, I would have run 500mg/test for 12 weeks and enjoyed 10lbs of lean gains and a 20% increase in strength.
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Cant say i i agree to all of whats said but can certainly say till you don't have at least a basic understanding how anabolics work you can end up feeling like a depressed little girl with no desire to do ****. You'll be lucky if you can get your meat up.

You need to man up and go with needles. Steroids work best intramuscularly the orals are like a bonus if you ask me, they work synergistically. Look into sus. For your PCT you can go with nolva/clomid. Deff not sitting here typing an article to explain what nolva/clomid is and how they differ.

This forum is VERY resourceful. Do some searching and you'll know what you are in for instead of nose diving and wanting to just get big quick. Reading some of your posts, you sound blind.
 
well, I dont know how rare my situation is, but I am not able to pin. and it has nothing to do with needles, or sticking myself. im sure poking your finger to check your hematocrit hurts worse, infact, im sure it does. i've got scars from iv holes in my hands and both arms. being stuck isn't a problem.
my wife is.
If I had a good friend i could trust to hold gear for me, and let me inject at his place, i'd be all over it, but I dont.so I run oral/transdermal cycles.

my last oral cycle was 11 weeks.

andromass/pmag/mentabolan. 4/3/4. recomp. gained about 8lbs while dropping b/f.

next cycle will probably be di ethyl dienolone, or ultradrol.
 
jbryand101b said:
well, I dont know how rare my situation is, but I am not able to pin. and it has nothing to do with needles, or sticking myself. im sure poking your finger to check your hematocrit hurts worse, infact, im sure it does. i've got scars from iv holes in my hands and both arms. being stuck isn't a problem.
my wife is.
If I had a good friend i could trust to hold gear for me, and let me inject at his place, i'd be all over it, but I dont.
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and thats why there are test PHs like 4ad and 1ad to choose from.

and good dht/anti gyno hormones like p stanz, and stanodrol to substitute for masteron and winstrol lol.


obviously the PHs aren't as good, but, they do a pretty good job.


when have you had to have your hematocrit , specifically, tested? a serious accident or what? you got shot?
 
dont know what the hell happened to my post when i edited it.

any how, I used to work for a plasma donation company, and we would check our hematocrit for fun.

i've had shoulder surgery, as well as a brain tumor removed when i was 20. and yea, i've donated plasma a few times too.

i've got stanodrol, and 4-androstenediol & 4-dhea, and a bottle of transaderm in my cabinet.

test/dht is covered for cycles that i feel need it.
 
OK... i got more research to do... sounds like the needle may be the safest/most effective way for this if i decide thats what im gonna do. Thanks for all the help.
 
I know you hate needles, but they are the safest. Dbol and orally are so toxic. Plus you will more than likely lose all your gains from dbol. just something to think about.
 
Perhaps LiverLonger or Liverjuice would be a better option. Antaeus Labs is coming out with TUDCA products very soon which sounds very promising to say the least.
 
doctorcrash said:
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This was awesome!
 
Yo doctor, yeah come at me bro, see what happens

You sir are an idiot, you haven't done the research to run a good cycle.

Now GTFO, or start yourself out with a mass fx cycle! Lol! That's about all u can handle! Lol, maybe you can stack it with creatine and bcaas but the side effects might be too much for your tiny body
 
So if I stack Cell-Tech with Nitro-Tech, I'm looking at 20lbs of lean muscle in 20 days? Awesome! I'm going to GNC right now to grab 10 tubs!!
 
doctorcrash said:
I never said i was ready for dbol in any part of my post lol. But its happening so embrace that part of it. What i was askin for is advice for preperation and cycle therapys. Maybe a liver product or somethin like that.
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Oh yeah, and you're negged *******.
 
GOING4SWELL said:
Yo doctor, yeah come at me bro, see what happens

You sir are an idiot, you haven't done the research to run a good cycle.

Now GTFO, or start yourself out with a mass fx cycle! Lol! That's about all u can handle! Lol, maybe you can stack it with creatine and bcaas but the side effects might be too much for your tiny body
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Yo tough guy! Comin your way "BRO" Comin on atcha there "Bro" Ive done enough chemicals in my time with my "tiny" little body to choke a donkey. Here i come "bro" dont beat me up "bro" lol Gee how can you tell how much research ive done there killer? lol was done arguing with your dumb ass days ago. Thats cute tho badass preciate cha
 
If you don't know what to take to protect your liver on cycle then yeah i'm going to go ahead and assume that you have NOT done your research before taking d bol.
 
doctorcrash said:
Yo tough guy! Comin your way "BRO" Comin on atcha there "Bro" Ive done enough chemicals in my time with my "tiny" little body to choke a donkey. Here i come "bro" dont beat me up "bro" lol Gee how can you tell how much research ive done there killer? lol was done arguing with your dumb ass days ago. Thats cute tho badass preciate cha
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TOUGH!
 
jamesm11 said:
I see the hooked on phonix I recommended was not used. That's the only cycle you should be on doc
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Hey james did you mean Phonics? cause I think you spelled that wrong.. and is that all you can come up with cause youve said it several times. At least I came up with some crafty **** to make you look like a complete ****in idiot. Keep tryin tho bub.
 
doctorcrash said:
Hey james did you mean Phonics? cause I think you spelled that wrong.. and is that all you can come up with cause youve said it several times. At least I came up with some crafty **** to make you look like a complete ****in idiot. Keep tryin tho bub.
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Lol weren't u just saying how spelling didn't matter? Noob
 
So far you have bragged about the speed at which you can type and that you've done enough chemicals to kill farm animals...good for you little buddy.
 
Dr cash don't listen to these ppl, what you need are cheque drops! Most anabolic **** out and you don't even inject it! Run it for 8 weeks like a ph and you'll be bigger than everyone in this forum! Word.
 
gotta get big said:
Dr cash don't listen to these ppl, what you need are cheque drops! Most anabolic **** out and you don't even inject it! Run it for 8 weeks like a ph and you'll be bigger than everyone in this forum! Word.
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Srs
 
bashman said:
lol remind me again WTF is this thread about?
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Lol so you got this Guy here who wants to be swole but doesnt like hard work. He wants to pop some roids to get swole but the research is again sooooo much work. Somebody please spoon feed this poor ****er some instant sedentary success. This thread has been a fun read lmao.
 
Rhadam said:
Wow OP, a whole 6 months? What an amazing amount of time to be in the gym perfecting your training and diet before you decided to try anabolics. I can't believe you waited this long!

Sarcasm aside, you are nowhere near ready to start down the path of anabolics. Training for 6 months is child's play, you shouldn't plateau any time soon. If your gains have leveled off, that's a diet or training issue, typically it's diet. Track calories, figure out how many above maintenance you need to eat to gain 1lb a week, or find out how many you need to eat to gain 2lbs a week. If your presses are stalling even when you're gaining weight, switch your routine. If that fails then throw in some different supplements. Try agmatine pre workout, or a designer creatine like Green Mag or NeoVar or C-Bol. After you've trained for a year or two, THEN look in to anabolics. To do so now is stupid, plain and simple. You're not ready. I doubt you know how to properly utilize the protein powder you have.

/rant
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Damn well said , I trained for 7 freaking years to get to the plateau stage and waited after 10 years of hard training to run my first cycle, goddamn 6 months lmfao this guy haven't even started yet .
 
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