Cycle Setup Questions - Advice would be great (aas/sarms/ph's)

[dronkey]

Planning my next cycle:

Things I have on hand:
Olympus UK Mass GH, LGD, & Osta, dermatr3st, formabolin (formestane), dermacrine, 4 andro (~6 grams unenhanced), epiandro (a bunch cyclodextrin)

Things I need to pick up: Clomid, Nolva, Exemestane (do I need it if I have formestane?), Cialis(?)

Are RC serms/AI's generally trusted if you use a good source? Or is pharma a necessity?

If I'm going to go pharma pct, I'm also going to grab winnie and anavar from the same place.

I'm going for a straight up recomp, looking to do a ~6 week cycle.

I'm thinking:

LGD: 4/4/4/4/0/0
Winstrol: 0/0/25/25/50/50
Anavar: 0/0/25/25/50/50
Dermatr3st: 0/50/100/100/100/100 (dosages split AM//PM....I'll dose oral pwo if I can find some oral tr3st)
Formestane: 0/0/50/50/50/50

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Hoping that tr3st will serve as a test base.

Thoughts?

 

[jakz]

Why not Test?

 

[brofessorx]

just run winni at 50mg 6 weeks along with trest for 6 weeks.

that'll be all you'll need. the winni will protect agains sides from the trest, and the trest will help with sides from the winni. win win. you'll get lean while gaining weight.

 

[dronkey]

just run winni at 50mg 6 weeks along with trest for 6 weeks.

that'll be all you'll need. the winni will protect agains sides from the trest, and the trest will help with sides from the winni. win win. you'll get lean while gaining weight.

Thanks, this is the kind of advice I was looking for. What about an AI and pct?

 

[Jebrook]

Thanks, this is the kind of advice I was looking for. What about an AI and pct?

Get the Exemestane to have on hand in case of emergency. At that dose you may not even need the Formestane if Winny protects against Methylestrogen sides from Trest? Not sure on that though. Not familiar with Winny. For PCT follow the lowest standard protocol on Nolva 20/20/10/10, especially since you're combining them. Exem could also be ran after the SERM to kill off the extra unbound estrogen as it is released and also increase LH levels. 12.5 mg EOD would probably be a safe protocol unless you're E levels are extremely low and joints dry from the Winny.

 

[Dma378]

4 weeks of LGD at 4mg is a waste unless you're 120lbs.

Agree, just run that Winny and Trest cycle.

Also agree with Jebrook on the Exemestane in pct.

 

[dronkey]

4 weeks of LGD at 4mg is a waste unless you're 120lbs.

Agree, just run that Winny and Trest cycle.

Also agree with Jebrook on the Exemestane in pct.

Lol I'm about 185, realistically 12-14% bf. Everyone thinks they're leaner than they actually are.

So Winnie 50mg / trest 100mg for 6 weeks with exemestane on hand for sensitive nips and maybe after pct.

Any reason for Winnie over anavar?

Also will I need liver support for Winnie?

 

[dronkey]

Why not Test?

Don't wanna pin

 

[dronkey]

So here's the plan,

Winstrol 50/50/50/50/50/50
TD Tr3st 100/100/100/100/100/100
TD Formestane half dose as I'm prone to high estro
Asin on hand - will run 12.5mg e3d if I get sensitive/itchy nips

Pct: nolva 20/20/10/10

Will also use dht blocking shampoo and saw palmetto to protect the hairline. How's this look, guys?

 

[Dma378]

So here's the plan,

Winstrol 50/50/50/50/50/50
TD Tr3st 100/100/100/100/100/100
TD Formestane half dose as I'm prone to high estro
Asin on hand - will run 12.5mg e3d if I get sensitive/itchy nips

Pct: nolva 20/20/10/10

Will also use dht blocking shampoo and saw palmetto to protect the hairline. How's this look, guys?

I like this set-up. But don't over do your AI

Winny + Form + AI could be hell on your joints. Too dry. But of course, you'll have to play that by ear.

 

[dronkey]

I like this set-up. But don't over do your AI

Winny + Form + AI could be hell on your joints. Too dry. But of course, you'll have to play that by ear.

Good advice, Thanks. I'm still between anavar or winstrol - any reason to pick one over the other?

I'm focused on increasing strength and decreasing body fat, but I don't necessarily need or want to lose any weight if that makes sense. And keeping my libido high is essential.

 

[dronkey]

Also, any thoughts on detection time of trest in urine as far as nandrolone metabolites, as it's a 19-nor like deca or tren? I won't use it if it's detectable for over a year like deca.

 

[brofessorx]

winstrol has been shown to bind with the progestin receptors but have no ineteraction with it, thereby blocking the pr. all androgens d/t their structure have the ability to bind with the progestin receptor, but their structure determines the level of interaction.

this has unknowingly been the reason winny stacks so well with trenbolone and other 19nor androgens, and also most likely explains why one gets so dry and hard from winstrol.

anavar, great of a steroid as it is, does not have this property, anecdotally, or data based (blocking the pr)

trest is a great steroid for fat loss. I recently ran it (injectable), and while gaining 10lbs, people thought I was loosing weight as I was getting so hard and lean.

with running winni, I personally wouldn't run the ai unless unwanted estrogen sides were too bad. but that's me.

 

[brofessorx]

Also, any thoughts on detection time of trest in urine as far as nandrolone metabolites, as it's a 19-nor like deca or tren? I won't use it if it's detectable for over a year like deca.

trest will be out of your system within days/weeks.

 

[dronkey]

trest will be out of your system within days/weeks.

Thanks so much for the thoughtful replies. I couldn't find **** for information on the detection time - I know trest (well I'll be using td ment aka trestobol aka tr3st) is a 19-nor and nandrolone derivative... And I also know nandrolone/deca metabolites stay in the urine for over a year so I'm just wanting to make sure that I'm not gonna be popping positive for nandrolone via metabolites 8 months down the line. Any further science/reasoning behind your thought that it's out in a matter of weeks? If so this is great news.

I asked around on another forum and they told me that real var blows winni away and that winni gives dry joints and is good for some temporary leanness before getting on stage. I'm looking purely for strength without losing much weight - do you still think winni is best for my goals due to its synergy with trest as you've stated? Thanks again.

 

[Dma378]

Var is probably the better choice.
If it's legit var 60mg/day should be nice for 6-8 weeks. If you can afford it!!!

Trest is far different than Deca. I'm not going to claim to have the scientific answer, but just based on the extremely short half-life of Trest I would even say that a matter of weeks is generous. Maybe a week.

Out of curiosity, why would you be subject to a steroid test?

 

[brofessorx]

I was recommending winni d/t to how it will enhance the effects of trestolone.

trestolone has an extremely short half life. for information you should be researching ment, or 7a methyl nor testosterone. half life is in the minutes to a couple of hours.

the days/weeks was giving time from a transdermal application.

it's my opinion that trest/winni is best for a cut or recomp, but it's hard to make a recommendation if one hasn't ran all the compounds they are thinking of stacking.

 

[dronkey]

I was recommending winni d/t to how it will enhance the effects of trestolone.

trestolone has an extremely short half life. for information you should be researching ment, or 7a methyl nor testosterone. half life is in the minutes to a couple of hours.

the days/weeks was giving time from a transdermal application.

it's my opinion that trest/winni is best for a cut or recomp, but it's hard to make a recommendation if one hasn't ran all the compounds they are thinking of stacking.

Ah yes but half life is not the same as detection time in urine due to metabolites. I know the half life is short...

 

[brofessorx]

:facepalm:

 

[dronkey]

:facepalm:

I think you're missing the point. The half life of deca durabolin is about 6 days, which means it clears the system in a few weeks and is at 0% concentration in 6 weeks. You'd still test positive for nandrolone 10 months after it cleared your system, because its metabolites stay in the liver for an extended period of time. I believe deca's detection time is 12-14 months, and you can't determine its detection time simply from its half life.

 

[brofessorx]

Decanoate ester half life is 2 weeks.
Detection time is typically 18-21 months

 

[brofessorx]

.scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=7a+methyl+19+nor+ment

I can't post links, but slap some w's on that an hopefully you'll find a study with the info your looking for