Cycle questions

[LilD123]

I want to take Rad 140 for 12 weeks as a first ever cycle. My options are either start enclo at 6.25 mg per day starting at week 3 and go until week 12 where I would up the dose of enclo and PCT (with bloods). My question is would it be better for me to take 4 andro and not take any enclo until Im ready to PCT? What are the benefits and cons of each of these routes and which would you recommend for a beginner cycle? Also is 9 weeks of 6.25 mg per day of enclo to much? 9 weeks seems like a lot longer than most take it for but I want the cycle to be for 12 weeks. Any advice welcome

 

[Ironpirate]

I want to take Rad 140 for 12 weeks as a first ever cycle. My options are either start enclo at 6.25 mg per day starting at week 3 and go until week 12 where I would up the dose of enclo and PCT (with bloods). My question is would it be better for me to take 4 andro and not take any enclo until Im ready to PCT? What are the benefits and cons of each of these routes and which would you recommend for a beginner cycle? Also is 9 weeks of 6.25 mg per day of enclo to much? 9 weeks seems like a lot longer than most take it for but I want the cycle to be for 12 weeks. Any advice welcome

Just take 20-40mg of rad and get a couple bottles of 4 andro, I'm using iml's td right now. Save the serm for pct and try to get an ai or anti estrogen of some sort no matter what options you choose. You might want to get some blood pressure supplements also.

 

[LilD123]

Just take 20-40mg of rad and get a couple bottles of 4 andro, I'm using iml's td right now. Save the serm for pct and try to get an ai or anti estrogen of some sort no matter what options you choose. You might want to get some blood pressure supplements also.

I thought I wouldn't need an AI since Rad doesn't convert to estrogen? Am I wrong on this? Or are you referring to the 4 andro. I dont know much about 4 andro yet since I wasn't planning on taking it

 

[Ironpirate]

I thought I wouldn't need an AI since Rad doesn't convert to estrogen? Am I wrong on this? Or are you referring to the 4 andro. I dont know much about 4 andro yet since I wasn't planning on taking it

Oh wow you should do a lot more research before you hurt yourself. Don't ever cycle without testosterone, 4 andro can be supplemented or you can use dermacrine. When you take steroids/ph's/SARMs your body will stop producing it's own testosterone, estrogen, and other vital hormones.

 

[LilD123]

When you take steroids/ph's/SARMs your body will stop producing it's own testosterone, estrogen, and other vital hormones.

What gave you the idea that I didn't know this? Why are you telling me to take an AI during a rad only cycle when rad doesnt convert to estrogen was my question. Is it because my normal test could convert if there was excess while on the serm? Or are you just saying have AI on hand incase I show signs just in case?

 

[Smont]

What gave you the idea that I didn't know this? Why are you telling me to take an AI during a rad only cycle when rad doesnt convert to estrogen was my question. Is it because my normal test could convert if there was excess while on the serm? Or are you just saying have AI on hand incase I show signs just in case?

You would have a ai on hand for the test or 4 andro, he's assuming your going to use one of those because taking a sarm without them is foolish. Sarms don't convert to estrogen or dht, so if you take a sarm long enough eventually your test will tank and when that happens your estrogen and dht will tank leaving you with a much higher chance of getting a limp noodle and no energy, also without estrogen and dht it's harder to train hard and build muscle.

So, you don't need enclo on cycle, save it for pct. You want test or 4 andro or anything basically that can convert to estrogen and possibly dht too, then you add rad 140 to your test or test substitute "4andro/dermacrine ect. Now you have the basic stuff needed to have a productive cycle and you have a ai on hand in case.


No inject cycle with sarms and Andros

4 andro 300mg a day
Rad 140 15-50mg a day
Epiandro 600-900mg a day

Ai on hand

Serm for pct

I'm also a rep for maresearch so if you want a discount on sarms and serms and ai or whatever my screen name is a 15% off code. Unfortunately we don't carry 4andro or epiandro but I highly suggest you at bare minimum grab 4 andro before starting rad or a sarm in general

 

[LilD123]

You would have a ai on hand for the test or 4 andro, he's assuming your going to use one of those because taking a sarm without them is foolish. Sarms don't convert to estrogen or dht, so if you take a sarm long enough eventually your test will tank and when that happens your estrogen and dht will tank leaving you with a much higher chance of getting a limp noodle and no energy, also without estrogen and dht it's harder to train hard and build muscle.

So, you don't need enclo on cycle, save it for pct. You want test or 4 andro or anything basically that can convert to estrogen and possibly dht too, then you add rad 140 to your test or test substitute "4andro/dermacrine ect. Now you have the basic stuff needed to have a productive cycle and you have a ai on hand in case.


No inject cycle with sarms and Andros

4 andro 300mg a day
Rad 140 15-50mg a day
Epiandro 600-900mg a day

Ai on hand

Serm for pct

I'm also a rep for maresearch so if you want a discount on sarms and serms and ai or whatever my screen name is a 15% off code. Unfortunately we don't carry 4andro or epiandro but I highly suggest you at bare minimum grab 4 andro before starting rad or a sarm in general

thanks a lot this really cleared things up for me. So the point I thought of a serm on cycle was to keep test up and not completely suppressed but I guess thats not a good idea and just taking a test substitute would be better. Would 4 andro + rad + epiandro a day for 12 weeks be too harsh on my liver though? Im young and I havent really drank alchohol so I think Id be fine taking milk thistle or some **** but just wondering because I have heard people say andro+rad = liver problems. At this point I might aswell just inject tests lol fck 4 andro