Cycle and run races / DHEA and MK677 / detection time

behype

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Hello,

I run and bike a lot.

I'm 39, it begins hard to progress...

I would like to try to do some DHEA / MK677 cycles (about 2 months).
Would I progress in strength, speed and endurance ? (I don't want to have more muscle, I'm naturally heavy !)

What is the detection time for those products ?

Thanks for your help

Penn
 
behype said:
Hello,

I run and bike a lot.

I'm 39, it begins hard to progress...

I would like to try to do some DHEA / MK677 cycles (about 2 months).
Would I progress in strength, speed and endurance ? (I don't want to have more muscle, I'm naturally heavy !)

What is the detection time for those products ?

Thanks for your help

Penn
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if you're looking to avoid drug tests, then you'd be better off micro-dosing test prop and hGH like Lance did....
 
Thanks for you answer :)

So which products you think would be better ?

Sorry, I'm a newbie here, I don't anything about micro-dosing tests.... how long do products can be detected with such tests ?

Thanks

Penn
 
You will definitely see much more progress with test prop like the previously person said, but test prop and hgh are administered by injection while mk677 and dhea are orally taken. Just to point that out
 
I prefer it to be orally taken ! I agree on this...

That's why I'm looking for feedback on DHEA and MK677 on strength and endurance.

And what is the detection time ? 1 month ?

Thanks

Penn
 
Cardarine and sr9009 will take you further in your quest for endurance. It’s like doing cardio when you’re not, and when you do, your stamina will be near infinite. Training with that and then coming off and maintaining as much of the newfound endurance as possible would be ideal.
 
I agree with Old Witch about Cardarine aka gw501516. It will do much more than dhea and mk677 for endurance if that's your primary goal. Say you can only sprint one mile and then collapse. After taking Cardarine for a duration, you will be physically capable of running an extra 0.5-1 mile. Its actually incredible the amount of increased endurance i got from Cardarine. Its freakishly good
 
behype said:
Thanks for you answer :)

So which products you think would be better ?

Sorry, I'm a newbie here, I don't anything about micro-dosing tests.... how long do products can be detected with such tests ?

Thanks

Penn
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well, depends on what kind of test you're taking.... do you know specifically what they test?

Lance's team used testosterone propinate and hGH at night, as that was during the window of time when they couldn't be tested. they used enough testosterone and hGH to put themselves into the "high-normal" range, as well.

honestly, the first step for this is to identify your current hormone levels (testosterone, etc as well as RBC, hCT) and determine what kinds of tests you'll be subject to (do they do CIR tests or just basic tests?).

^if you're gonna dope with nighttime doses, then you are going to need to bet bloodwork while you're on, to determine where the doses are putting your blood levels and adjust accordingly. I believe some of the guys that did this used around 20-30 mg of test prop at night, FWIW.
 
CatSnake said:
^cardarine's a no-go for a drug test, though. he mentioned that as an issue right away....
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I said come off. You don’t compete on it, you train on it, then come off and try to keep your endurance as high as possible. Then you compete when you’re clean. It will still have its intended effect as long as you’re training at that endurance level. Your endurance will stay quite high as long as you can maintain it after you come off with hours and hours of cardio. You essentially reach a higher baseline to progress from. Quite useful really.
 
I dont think dhea will do much for endurance, not directly like an actual PED. It may improve your overall "wellbeing" (ugh, woolly term) which may have an indirect bearing on your training...I just wouldnt consider it a reliable performance enhancer.
 
Old Witch said:
I said come off. You don’t compete on it, you train on it, then come off and try to keep your endurance as high as possible. Then you compete when you’re clean. It will still have its intended effect as long as you’re training at that endurance level. Your endurance will stay quite high as long as you can maintain it after you come off with hours and hours of cardio. You essentially reach a higher baseline to progress from. Quite useful really.
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I did not see cardarine's effects last very long the couple times I used it. a couple weeks after I came off, but I'm pretty sure that it would still be a positive test at that time.
 
Nac said:
I dont think dhea will do much for endurance, not directly like an actual PED. It may improve your overall "wellbeing" (ugh, woolly term) which may have an indirect bearing on your training...I just wouldnt consider it a reliable performance enhancer.
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I agree with this...

I fear a little bit Cardarine, it seems it can be very dangerous !

SR9009 seems to be really safe :)

What is the detection time for DHEA ?
What is the detection time for SR9009 ?

Thanks :)

Penn
 
CatSnake said:
I did not see cardarine's effects last very long the couple times I used it. a couple weeks after I came off, but I'm pretty sure that it would still be a positive test at that time.
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Did you continue to try and mimic its 24hr LISS effect or in any way continue to increase your endurance once you came off?

Or did you somehow expect the endurance to stay without the cardio to merit it?
 
I believe you can look up the half life of whatever drug you’re going to use and then do the math to figure out how long it should take for the drug to leave your body entirely.
 
Old Witch said:
Did you continue to try and mimic its 24hr LISS effect or in any way continue to increase your endurance once you came off?

Or did you somehow expect the endurance to stay without the cardio to merit it?
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continued with the same training regimen, for the most part (MMA, military stuff).

it was a subtle fade, but clearly wore off pretty quick for me.
 
YoungThor said:
I believe you can look up the half life of whatever drug you’re going to use and then do the math to figure out how long it should take for the drug to leave your body entirely.
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not really.

the metabolite of the drug is what they test for, in most cases.

some metabolites hang around for a really long time (nandrolone, for one) that are not explained by their half-life.



again, this is why many athletes use compounds that are normally in the body (i.e testosterone propionate, hGH) vs "exotic" compounds (nandrolone, anavar, MK677, cardarine, etc)

for example, you can test positive for anavar and that's a pretty normal drug test. but you can't test positive for testosterone, since that's expected to be in your body. so they test for the testosterone:epitestosterone ratio or CIR testing of your actual testosterone. the T:E ratio can vary dramatically from person to person, and if you use "athlete" doses vs "bodybuilder" doses, you might not even be out of range. so it's up to the CIR test to determine if the testosterone in your body is, in fact, naturally produced or synthetic. <there's not really any way around that, but CIR testing isn't nearly as common as a banned substance/metabolite test or T:E test.

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CatSnake said:
not really.

the metabolite of the drug is what they test for, in most cases.

some metabolites hang around for a really long time (nandrolone, for one) that are not explained by their half-life.



again, this is why many athletes use compounds that are normally in the body (i.e testosterone propionate, hGH) vs "exotic" compounds (nandrolone, anavar, MK677, cardarine, etc)

for example, you can test positive for anavar and that's a pretty normal drug test. but you can't test positive for testosterone, since that's expected to be in your body. so they test for the testosterone:epitestosterone ratio or CIR testing of your actual testosterone. the T:E ratio can vary dramatically from person to person, and if you use "athlete" doses vs "bodybuilder" doses, you might not even be out of range. so it's up to the CIR test to determine if the testosterone in your body is, in fact, naturally produced or synthetic. <there's not really any way around that, but CIR testing isn't nearly as common as a banned substance/metabolite test or T:E test.

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Okay, very good points. I wasn’t sure whether the half life was in fact directly related to it’s detection time, but now I know. Currently Jon Jones of the UFC is dealing with this whole metabolite issue since they’re claiming the tbol in his system is from over a year ago. Honestly though I’m skeptical and believe he likely used again since then.
 
YoungThor said:
Okay, very good points. I wasn’t sure whether the half life was in fact directly related to it’s detection time, but now I know. Currently Jon Jones of the UFC is dealing with this whole metabolite issue since they’re claiming the tbol in his system is from over a year ago. Honestly though I’m skeptical and believe he likely used again since then.
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Being from a year ago would be impossible. If it was tren, sure.
 
YoungThor said:
Okay, very good points. I wasn’t sure whether the half life was in fact directly related to it’s detection time, but now I know. Currently Jon Jones of the UFC is dealing with this whole metabolite issue since they’re claiming the tbol in his system is from over a year ago. Honestly though I’m skeptical and believe he likely used again since then.
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I wish I knew enough about chemistry to figure it out....

I suspect it has something to do the with terminal half-life added into the time to elimination. of course, some tests are more sensitive than others, too, so they are testing levels that are no longer actually performance enhancing but still testable....
 
CatSnake said:
do you mean deca?
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No, I mean tren. That will stick around as long as nandrolone decanoate. Tren is so hard to metabolize it will still be passing as parent hormone up to 16months later. Now that’s some tough drugs. It doesn’t even really matter the ester, either. Ace will be up to a year even.
 
CatSnake said:
I wish I knew enough about chemistry to figure it out....

I suspect it has something to do the with terminal half-life added into the time to elimination. of course, some tests are more sensitive than others, too, so they are testing levels that are no longer actually performance enhancing but still testable....
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They are testing for completely different hormones which are called metabolites of the parent hormone. They have much longer elimination times than the parent steroid.
 
Wada has a list of known detection times. Any time you need to know just google it. “Turinabol detection time”
 
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