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Cutting with Epi - First Cycle

yeah you researched, you dont know ANYTHIng about proper PCT... but you researched... FOOL.
 
StangBanger said:
yeah you researched, you dont know ANYTHIng about proper PCT... but you researched... FOOL.
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Lol alright well well it seems y'all need some serms cuz you are a bunch of moody bitches this forum blows .. Later
 
It's hard when I've only been on here for a few weeks and you're the 11th person saying you did research yet you don't have a serm or know how to use it when there are stickies and information all over this website. on this website people appreciate it if you post your plan for the entire cycle so we can critique it. not ask what to do. and you ARE asking this question in the wrong area as there is a pct forum on this very website

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OP, what's your stats so far with this log?
 
so glad to hear you say this man. I was getting worried the epi wasn't working because I have not had weight gain but I'm on a low cal/carb diet.
Dusty8907 said:
Weight is staying right at 170 but im getting leaner it seems daily. Lifts are going up slightly nothing rediculous but im only taking in 2500 cals so nothing huge expected
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LITERaCOLA said:
so glad to hear you say this man. I was getting worried the epi wasn't working because I have not had weight gain but I'm on a low cal/carb diet.
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Ya i was too but i can really see.some good definition that i wasnt seeing in my abs before. Vertical line is finally coming in. Never seen that one before, cant wait.to see.what the next two weeks brings. Probably going up to 50 mg my last two weeks. Im having little to no sides at 40
 
ya I'm having little to no sides at 40 and i was paranoid it wasnt working.lol. Just read all these sides about it when i was doing my research 2 months ago and was thinking it is going to hurt the whole time. I'm going to 50 as well the last 2 weeks of my epi and once i discontinue the havoc I'm going to 2ml trenazone.
Dusty8907 said:
Ya i was too but i can really see.some good definition that i wasnt seeing in my abs before. Vertical line is finally coming in. Never seen that one before, cant wait.to see.what the next two weeks brings. Probably going up to 50 mg my last two weeks. Im having little to no sides at 40
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LITERaCOLA said:
ya I'm having little to no sides at 40 and i was paranoid it wasnt working.lol. Just read all these sides about it when i was doing my research 2 months ago and was thinking it is going to hurt the whole time. I'm going to 50 as well the last 2 weeks of my epi and once i discontinue the havoc I'm going to 2ml trenazone.
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Good stuff man, What's your pct gonna look like? From my research i found that clomid actually seems to have a worse rebound than nolva which is why i chose nolva. The downside of course is the supposed extra hepatoxicity of nolva but i've also read some things that seem to say clomid is just as toxic.
 
I'm stacking it with trenazone so the possibility of using nolva is gone. Only way i can use it is for maybe 3 days to help get my balls back then discontinue but I'm having prolactin issues already so not going to. taking prami and erase right now and adding p5p and l dopa tomorrow to see if it can get rid of it. if not i'm going to stop the trenazone.
Everyone is different man, some people absolutely love peanut butter and others will go into anaphylactic shock if they touch it.
I don't know much about torem but from what i heard it's a possible no no for a 19 nor cycle as well. Don't quote me on that though.
Dusty8907 said:
Good stuff man, What's your pct gonna look like? From my research i found that clomid actually seems to have a worse rebound than nolva which is why i chose nolva. The downside of course is the supposed extra hepatoxicity of nolva but i've also read some things that seem to say clomid is just as toxic.
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Day 17
Have an off day today, still gonna go do a good 30 min cardio session after work though. Dropped down to 2300 cals for the day to compensate for not lifting. Really wanna shed off some fat before the end of the cycle. Still feeling good though, if everything stays the same i'm gonna be for sure going to 50mg my last 2 weeks.
 
Did 30 mins cardio on elyptical HIIT style and then did 4 sets of heavy ab work. I never do abs so this was new to me. I've always been a firm believer in heavy squats/deadlifts build a good strong core. Felt good though, may incorporate ab work into my cardio days.
 
Day 18
Noticed some things this morning that were quite pleasant. I have been really working legs hard to try and.stimulate some good growth, they are by far my biggest downfall. My calves look rediculous compared to three weeks ago and my hams are popping pretty good too. I'm also up 1.5 lbs, not alot of weight but im only eating maintenance and slightly below on rest days. Still looking leaner too, gonna have to say these next 3 weeks im gonna have a hell of a ride.and.tear up the gym.
 
Sleep was **** last night, managed to lay in bed for probably 5 hours and sleep for an actual 2-3. Yet somehow i feel completely rested? Mind is full of eff.
 
A lot of the forums I read are saying that chlomid and nolva are the serms of yesterday ... I apologize for coming across as an ass ... What u think of hcgen or bridge ? Or activate ? I'm only 5 days in I've decided to do 30/40/40/40/50 so I got time .. Thanks
 
my dosing was like identical to yours but i switched it to 9am 3pm 9pm 3am because i read epi has a 5-6 hour half life and haveing a 7+ hour gap isnt really bad but you're not getting the most of it. i think i just got use to the epi but ever since i did this i've been sleeping easier. because i'm not getting "too much" within a time frame.
Dusty8907 said:
11am, 3:30-4pm, 9pm, 1:30 am

I work 3pm-11pm and my workout is from 11:15 - 12:30 usually. Depending on if it's a powerday or hypertrophy day and how many people are in the gym i can sometimes finish in 45 minutes.
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LITERaCOLA said:
my dosing was like identical to yours but i switched it to 9am 3pm 9pm 3am because i read epi has a 5-6 hour half life and haveing a 7+ hour gap isnt really bad but you're not getting the most of it. i think i just got use to the epi but ever since i did this i've been sleeping easier. because i'm not getting "too much" within a time frame.
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Wait, what? my gaps are between 4-5 hours apart and i go to sleep around 3am so i couldn't dose it right then. Unless dosing b4 bed would give me time to sleep before it is absorbed? This morning i was up at like 8am and i've been hungry as hell ever since...not good. I'm pretty sure i could eat 4-5k cals...in one sitting.
 
cvortex1333 said:
A lot of the forums I read are saying that chlomid and nolva are the serms of yesterday ... I apologize for coming across as an ass ... What u think of hcgen or bridge ? Or activate ? I'm only 5 days in I've decided to do 30/40/40/40/50 so I got time .. Thanks
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I honestly did not research either of these, i picked from 2 proven serms. I picked the one that i thought was best in terms of sides/toxicity/and possibility of rebound.
 
I have taken it right before bed just take some zma or gaba or some kinda sleep aid. also the prami i'm taking helps me fall asleep maybe thats why i can dose this way.
LITERaCOLA said:
my dosing was like identical to yours but i switched it to 9am 3pm 9pm 3am because i read epi has a 5-6 hour half life and haveing a 7+ hour gap isnt really bad but you're not getting the most of it. i think i just got use to the epi but ever since i did this i've been sleeping easier. because i'm not getting "too much" within a time frame.
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Oh ok .. Well thanks for the input . I can't get my hands on chlomid or nolv witihout a prescription so I'm gonna run activate and I'll let you know how it goes . A lot of guys on elite fitness swear by it and they are even cycling halo and diesel so it sounds legit . Thanks for you imput
 
look up a chem website and you can find clomid and tomaxifen citrae(nolva) when it comes to serm. activate is a natty test booster and anti estrogen mix from the looks of it. not an actual serm.
cvortex1333 said:
Oh ok .. Well thanks for the input . I can't get my hands on chlomid or nolv witihout a prescription so I'm gonna run activate and I'll let you know how it goes . A lot of guys on elite fitness swear by it and they are even cycling halo and diesel so it sounds legit . Thanks for you imput
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LITERaCOLA said:
look up a chem website and you can find clomid and tomaxifen citrae(nolva) when it comes to serm. activate is a natty test booster and anti estrogen mix from the looks of it. not an actual serm.
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Ok awsome ! I actually found some so I just ordered it ! And as far as pct unleashed/post cycle Combo sound about right ? Thanks for info !
 
cvortex1333 said:
What's the recommended dosage for the tomax?
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What I'm running or you can check out others logs for it.

Had a good day in the gym today, lower body hypertrophy/speed work day. Upped all my weight by 10-20 lbs on all sets and still had good explosiveness. Noticed good size in my calves today, starting to like epi :)
 
Week 4 Day 1 or Day 22
Cut down my calories to 1850, i really wanna get shredded here in my last 3 weeks of being on so i went ahead and dropped down the cals. My strength felt fine though today, and i managed to push up 250 on bench even after my bb rows and weighted pull ups. Hitting legs hard tomorrow and then wednesday will be 30 mins of cardio i believe.
 
Nice I'm on epi day 19 now. Haven't noticed much besides strength gains, how are u leaning out so far?
 
BigVida said:
Nice I'm on epi day 19 now. Haven't noticed much besides strength gains, how are u leaning out so far?
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I've leaned out quite a bit, tomorrow is day 29 so the start of week 5. I will be running 50mg here on out. I've leaned out quite a bit, i've been doing refeeds on my chest/arms day which is saturdays to keep my energy up. I feel pretty good, strength is pretty good, nothing amazing but i'm still on a defecit so i am feeling good about it all around. Keeping strength and losing bodyfat and making slight gains is better than losing muscle.
 
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