Unanswered Cutting cycle

buakaw93

buakaw93

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Hi guys, I have to start a cutting cycle and I'm a bit hesitant about what to use. This is what I thought of:

Hexadrone: 105/105/140/140/140/140/140/140/140/140

Trenavar: 90/120/120/120/150/150

And I am undecided about these two compounds:

Winstrol: 50/50/50/50/50/50

OR

M-Sten: 20/20/20/30/30/30

Clenbuterol: 2 week ON 2 week OFF / week 1 20/40/60/80/100/120/140 week 2 140/140/140/140/140/140/140

EC stack: Ephedrine week 1 25/50/50/50/50/50/50
week 2 75/75/75/75/75/75/75
Caffeine week 1 200/400/400/400/400/400/400
week 2 600/600/600/600/600/600/600

GHRP-2 100 mcg 2x a day
MOD-GRF 100 mcg 2x a day

On Cycle:
Deursil (UDCA) 900 gr day
CEL Cycle Assist 8 caps a day
Taurine 5 gr
Omega 3 5 caps
Animal Pak 2 pack a day
Vitamin D3 4000 IU
Creatine, Magnesium, EAA, Citrulline

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/25/25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 0/0 / 12.5 / 12.5
IGF-1 LR3 50 mcg Pre-WO
GHRP-2 100 mcg 2x a day
MOD-GRF 100 mcg 2x a day
Sup3r PCT

I already have experience with M-Sten, Winstrol, Trenavar, Trest, Superdrol, Pheraplex, 11-KT, 4-Andro, Clenbuterol. My indecision is between M-Sten and Winstrol, I know they are all very dry compounds but my goal is to get as much shredded as possible. I had also thought of adding HCG to bring testicular atrophy to a minimum. Tell me your opinions
 
Wow that's a lot of stuff

I don't want to be The one to say this first, but what will be your test base? Have you done cycles like this before and do you function ok on them without a base?
 
Jinsun said:
Wow that's a lot of stuff

I don't want to be The one to say this first, but what will be your test base? Have you done cycles like this before and do you function ok on them without a base?
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The previous year I had the Trest as a base, but even at low doses it tends to be a little watery. I also thought about switching to injectables but I can't do intramuscular injections
 
Yeah, but that's why you want it, bc it converts to estrogen. This is a 10 week cycle and I would die without an estrogen/DHT base. Ymmv though, this is why I asked if you can tolerate it. If not, you will just end up quitting the cycle half way through it. Idk, think about it.
 
Yeah ... This is a crazy stack IMO. Even if you could make it through... I wouldn't advise it.
 
Jinsun said:
Wow that's a lot of stuff

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Yep.
Test and Winnie and a lot cardio would honestly be a lot more comfortable than that heart attack of a stack there.
Honestly, just on TRT, if I dip in calories and walk a couple blocks fat falls off me. I think anabolics and caloric deficits are underestimated for fat loss these days. If you are comfortable losing a little bit of fat, a little T3 with loooooowww dose clen maybe. I get it if you have a show in 3 weeks or a photo shoot, go bonkers, but just some well thought out aas and a little cardio at 500cals under and you should be losing plenty of fat.
 
Matthersby said:
Yep.
Test and Winnie and a lot cardio would honestly be a lot more comfortable than that heart attack of a stack there.
Honestly, just on TRT, if I dip in calories and walk a couple blocks fat falls off me. I think anabolics and caloric deficits are underestimated for fat loss these days. If you are comfortable losing a little bit of fat, a little T3 with loooooowww dose clen maybe. I get it if you have a show in 3 weeks or a photo shoot, go bonkers, but just some well thought out aas and a little cardio at 500cals under and you should be losing plenty of fat.
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Yeah, this is just buying into the hype that supp companies create.
You need so little actually. But everybody feels better if they stack 10 sups. It feels like you are doing something more.

Aas are great nutrient partitioners. Just 350 test and 5 mg SD helped a lot for me the last time! 250mg test + 10 mg SD and you are golden.
 
buakaw93 said:
I never did them, otherwise I had already thought of doing Test E and Tren E. I can do the subq injections, but the IM injections I've never tried
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There is hundreds videos online about that friend, no big deal at all. Just stick to test tren cycle or something like test winny, much better option IMO
 
buakaw93 said:
I never did them, otherwise I had already thought of doing Test E and Tren E. I can do the subq injections, but the IM injections I've never tried
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Just cause you havent done them doesnt mean you cant. Youve tried new exercises before right?
 
I am quite convinced of doing the injectable cycle that I had been thinking about for some time and now I would like to ask you for advice on the size of the needle by injection in the buttocks to have as little PIP as possible. Better 25g x 1 "or 27g x 3/4"?
 
buakaw93 said:
I am quite convinced of doing the injectable cycle that I had been thinking about for some time and now I would like to ask you for advice on the size of the needle by injection in the buttocks to have as little PIP as possible. Better 25g x 1 "or 27g x 3/4"?
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Glutes 23g 1.5in
Delts 25g 1/2 to 1in.

I don't notice any difference between 21g and 23g in glutes.

Nor do I notice a difference between 25 and 27 in delts.
 
Smont said:
Glutes 23g 1.5in
Delts 25g 1/2 to 1in.

I don't notice any difference between 21g and 23g in glutes.

Nor do I notice a difference between 25 and 27 in delts.
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+1

Glutes have more fat and you need a longer needle: 1.5"

Pip, however, wont be any less with a smaller needle. Pip is due to your reaction to gear. I mean, sure, if you jab your self like a moron and move the needle to much, back and forth, left and right, you will have a bruise and maybe some more pain.
 
This is the cycle I had planned to do:
Test E 1-12 week: 200 mg
Tren E 1-12 week: 300 mg
M-Sten 1-4 week: 20/20/30/30 mg
Winstrol 9-12 week: 50 mg
HCG: 250 IU 2x a week

Fat burner: Clen, Yohimbine every other week
 
buakaw93 said:
This is the cycle I had planned to do:
Test E 1-12 week: 200 mg
Tren E 1-12 week: 300 mg
M-Sten 1-4 week: 20/20/30/30 mg
Winstrol 9-12 week: 50 mg
HCG: 250 IU 2x a week

Fat burner: Clen, Yohimbine every other week
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I like it a lot better.
Used everything there but don’t care for Tren.
Msten I’ve never had a huge need to go over 20, but If orals don’t mess you up as bad, you’ll be ok at 30. I’ve ran it 30 on workout days and 20 on off days though and it was manageable minus some awful blood pressure.
 
buakaw93 said:
This is the cycle I had planned to do:
Test E 1-12 week: 200 mg
Tren E 1-12 week: 300 mg
M-Sten 1-4 week: 20/20/30/30 mg
Winstrol 9-12 week: 50 mg
HCG: 250 IU 2x a week

Fat burner: Clen, Yohimbine every other week
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If this is your first tren cycle, I would advise to not start with e but go with a. Just so you see how it affects your head. E takes some time to clear out and you don't want to be going crazy for a week, waiting for it to stop working.

Not a tren user my self, this is just something that's usually recomended...
 
To @buakaw93,
I'm curious why you dont just run mtren after looking at what compounds you're looking at stacking. You'd prolly get similar results at .5mg a day and onky have to run one thing and imo winstrol is complete garbage. Lipids are screwed in no time, increases chance for injury and makes joints go to shyte. But thats just my opinion. And then theres msten which is pretty darn harsh on lipids! After 4 weeks at 4mg and lots of fish oil and healthy fats and mine were horrible and ive always had perfect numbers, even while on halodrol, anavar & dbol (only ones ive veen tested on). But as soon i touched msten, booooop, hdl crashed and ldl went pretty high. Anyways, this is all my opinion but its coming from a guy with over a decade of personal experience and lots of input from 4-6 others doing like we do. Best of luck.

P.s.- why no test base if you're gonna use hcg? If you got hcg then get some nolva and a little test and make it worthwhile! Got lots of different extra stuff laying around if interested. Just pm me & best of luck with wtvr you decide.
 
Also,
Instead of clomid And nolvadex just go with nolvadex. Unless you already have both in which case I'd run clomid for the first week then the rest nolva. Clomid is just so damn crazy when it comes to mental/emotional sides. Nolva will do the same but just takes slightly longer (supposedly). Nolva+hcg= Awesome pct. Clomid + hcg = unstable and emotional ass MAN* who may also need the help of dim+zinc+gse or exemestane.

Hope this helps as i wish i knew it when i was less experienced. Have fun n be safe!
 
Jinsun said:
If this is your first tren cycle, I would advise to not start with e but go with a. Just so you see how it affects your head. E takes some time to clear out and you don't want to be going crazy for a week, waiting for it to stop working.

Not a tren user my self, this is just something that's usually recomended...
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I know everyone is recommending Tren A for the first time, but I don't want to inject almost every day because I don't have all this experience with IM injections.
 
buakaw93 said:
I know everyone is recommending Tren A for the first time, but I don't want to inject almost every day because I don't have all this experience with IM injections.
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MWF works totally fine. But I get it, not everyone is used to being a pin cushion.
 
buakaw93 said:
I know everyone is recommending Tren A for the first time, but I don't want to inject almost every day because I don't have all this experience with IM injections.
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8 weeks of orals is to much for an 12 week cycle, I agree with the others don’t use tren E. Those orals are both very toxic especially on top of tren. Throw in the clen and expect to feel like dog crap your whole cycle.
Don’t get greedy!
 
Matthersby said:
MWF works totally fine. But I get it, not everyone is used to being a pin cushion.
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Also I’d like to note I’m all for peaks and valleys sometimes. Steady blood concentrations are important for most compounds, obviously Test. There is a huge misconception that valleys lead to more sides.

They don’t! Not always but sometimes I like to dose some heavy orals all pre workout. Well first off it’s a better more intense workout, second it gives your body some down time from the toxicity. It’s might not be the most efficient and effective way but it definitely works!

Same goes for Tren. Your not going to get more sides from using less tren and from blood concentration levels dropping. It’s not going to make your appetite worse, or make your angrier, or make you sweat more or raise prolactin. The sides will be less intense. OP if your going run tren e you’d better be in it to win it!
 
Matthersby said:
MWF works totally fine. But I get it, not everyone is used to being a pin cushion.
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Also not everybody is ready for jail time or restraining orders or ... : D just sayin ...
OP; you can pin with insulin syringes at low fat areas. I can pin with those in lower quads, something like 10 cm from the knee. I don't like to pin that much also, but with tren there is no way I would go directly to enth. I mean, even 30mg's of dbol turns me into a different person, yet alone tren...

How do you respond mentally to other more androgenic compounds like dbol?

Also, for a first pining cycle, there are more safe options like DHB, primo, EQ, npp, ...
 
Jinsun said:
If this is your first tren cycle, I would advise to not start with e but go with a. Just so you see how it affects your head. E takes some time to clear out and you don't want to be going crazy for a week, waiting for it to stop working.

Not a tren user my self, this is just something that's usually recomended...
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That's also what I always see on the forums but everyone I know says tren e has less sides. And if you keep it 150/200 sides are pretty much non existent. All brosay tho.
 
chemjr said:
To @buakaw93,
I'm curious why you dont just run mtren after looking at what compounds you're looking at stacking. You'd prolly get similar results at .5mg a day and onky have to run one thing and imo winstrol is complete garbage. Lipids are screwed in no time, increases chance for injury and makes joints go to shyte. But thats just my opinion. And then theres msten which is pretty darn harsh on lipids! After 4 weeks at 4mg and lots of fish oil and healthy fats and mine were horrible and ive always had perfect numbers, even while on halodrol, anavar & dbol (only ones ive veen tested on). But as soon i touched msten, booooop, hdl crashed and ldl went pretty high. Anyways, this is all my opinion but its coming from a guy with over a decade of personal experience and lots of input from 4-6 others doing like we do. Best of luck.

P.s.- why no test base if you're gonna use hcg? If you got hcg then get some nolva and a little test and make it worthwhile! Got lots of different extra stuff laying around if interested. Just pm me & best of luck with wtvr you decide.
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4mg of msten? I like msten at 20 to 40mg when ran solo
 
Matthersby said:
Man 40?! 🤮
20 straight through 30 on workout days for sure.
40 and it starts feeling like 20+ of SD.
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If I was taking 20mg of sd or a piece of candy every day I wouldn't notice a difference in negative sides. I literally get no sides from anything. That being said I've never ran anything really high. All the times I've gone to a stupid dose it was for the last week only. Starting This Friday il be on 40mg dmz 30msten and 50m1a for 3 weeks straight and it will be by far the most I've ever stupidly taken. Soooo. Ya
 
Smont said:
If I was taking 20mg of sd or a piece of candy every day I wouldn't notice a difference in negative sides. I literally get no sides from anything. That being said I've never ran anything really high. All the times I've gone to a stupid dose it was for the last week only. Starting This Friday il be on 40mg dmz 30msten and 50m1a for 3 weeks straight and it will be by far the most I've ever stupidly taken. Soooo. Ya
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That’s awesome. Biggest drawback of orals is that annoying lethargy and appetite loss. I’d kill to have that be missing.
 
Smont said:
If I was taking 20mg of sd or a piece of candy every day I wouldn't notice a difference in negative sides. I literally get no sides from anything. That being said I've never ran anything really high. All the times I've gone to a stupid dose it was for the last week only. Starting This Friday il be on 40mg dmz 30msten and 50m1a for 3 weeks straight and it will be by far the most I've ever stupidly taken. Soooo. Ya
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Dang bro I wish I was that lucky. But IMO i dont have it that bad, I dont really notice the negative sides until I come off and then I realized what I was dealing with the whole time.
 
Smont said:
If I was taking 20mg of sd or a piece of candy every day I wouldn't notice a difference in negative sides. I literally get no sides from anything. That being said I've never ran anything really high. All the times I've gone to a stupid dose it was for the last week only. Starting This Friday il be on 40mg dmz 30msten and 50m1a for 3 weeks straight and it will be by far the most I've ever stupidly taken. Soooo. Ya
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Wow. 20mg of SD and I'm dead... but yeah, my liver is not so great. I have chronically elevated bilirubin. I shouldn't really even be drinking yet alone taking harsh orals like SD.
 
Smont said:
That's also what I always see on the forums but everyone I know says tren e has less sides. And if you keep it 150/200 sides are pretty much non existent. All brosay tho.
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In fact I will use the Tren E for convenience of injections, maybe the first two weeks I'll be at 200 mg to see if there will be sides. In case there will be no problems increase to 300 mg
Jinsun said:
Wow. 20mg of SD and I'm dead... but yeah, my liver is not so great. I have chronically elevated bilirubin. I shouldn't really even be drinking yet alone taking harsh orals like SD.
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I also used Superdrol at 20 mg for 4 weeks, but I don't like its lethargy, I know how to feel like a zombie especially after the 3/4 week. Instead M-Sten I love it, used for 6 weeks up to 30 mg and I felt like a beast
 
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