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Cutting Cycle

JimmBobby

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Hey all,

Want some advice.

Got back into lifting a year ago and want to jump into a cycle. I have done previous cycles years ago from epi, hdrol, whinny, var, and a few others (all orals) at different times. But it's been a while. A bit of searching on the internet and came across a cutting cycle I would like to give a go... But wanted some peeps with actual knowledge not just some random site selling the gear (won't buy from there anyway). But here it is

6 weeks
Anavar 50mg
Winstrol 50mg
Proviron 25mg
Clen two week on/off ramping up and down weeks 3/4 off
Cytomel 25mg

In addition to support supps. I will also use 10mg Tamoxifen a day throughout... I know it affects gains but everything before seemed to give me puffy/itchy nips and I'll rather sacrifice that small amount of gains. I am also aware the proviron may act as an AI and the Tamoxifen may not be needed anyway.

Pct I would be using Tamoxifen. Starting 20mg then dropping down to 10mg probably 4-6 weeks in length.

My stats are

Age 33
BF 18ish% (don't trust those machines)
Lifting on and off 16 years
A few previous cycles all oral
Diet is clean high protein.
Cardio is minimal
Lifting 4-5 days hitting muscles min twice a week

Results soo far have been good. Losing on average 1.5-2lbs a week. But want to step it up a few years and introduce cardio, clen and t3.

Clen seems to really raise my HR. So the thing I'm most concerned about is the T3. What is the best way to monitor how it's affecting me? Body temp or HR. Though that will already be boosted.

In regards to the AAS how does the set up look?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Jimm
 
Thanks for reply.

Looking to do an oral only cycle. Libido should be boosted by the proviron and whinny hasn't hurt my joints in the past.

What would be the plan of replacing it anyway?
 
Looks good to me. Your system might become taxed on that high a dose of orals and you might start feeling like crap. If so back down the doses.
 
That's something I never thought of in previous cycles cutting dose down... Sounds silly right. But seriously I normally just think it's normal and continue. We you say taxed are we referring to a general lethargic feeling? I have felt that on 1 or 2 cycles before
 
JimmBobby said:
That's something I never thought of in previous cycles cutting dose down... Sounds silly right. But seriously I normally just think it's normal and continue. We you say taxed are we referring to a general lethargic feeling? I have felt that on 1 or 2 cycles before
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Yeah lethargic, feel like you're getting sick, low appetite.
 
Test...add test. Repeat add test. Repeat again add test. The cytomel (t3) and clen burn muscle as much as fat, test will prevent this. Without test you will become one of those fat skinny guys. Also, you are going to shut yourself down. Without test you are probably going to feel like crap and your pecker may not work. Also, you could save alot of money by just running test at 500 ew with low carbs and calories...you will get much better results and feel better for about 150 bucks for a 16 week cycle.
 
I have never understood solo oral cycles. For me, and many others, orals are used to enhance IM cycles...that is how they work best.
 
Surely the whinny and anavar (and very slightly proviron) will be enough to hold onto muscle. My T3 dose will be a on the cautious side.

Proviron should according to what I've read .. help with libido and pecker problems. At the same time won't it make the whinny and anavar slightly more effective at holding onto that muscle?

Also hoping that... And fingers crossed being dosed up on clen and T3 I won't be feeling lethargic. But as previous post states I can always lower dose of compounds.

And again I want to keep it oral only. I'm aware of the difference between pinning and not and I do intend to do a test only cycle later next year.
 
I've heard oral Winny is not as effective as pinning-- might be wrong but I've heard it. None the less, that is an impressive cut cycle. You should get fn ripped.
 
mikeymike85 said:
I've heard oral Winny is not as effective as pinning-- might be wrong but I've heard it. None the less, that is an impressive cut cycle. You should get fn ripped.
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Winstrol is actually even if it's true one of the injectibles that doesn't change much at all from its oral version. Winstrol depot also hurts pretty bad
 
This 2 weeks on 2 weeks off clen doesn't make sense. Why would you increase metabolism during cycle and then put it back to normal the next two weeks. I mean you'd have to calculate the calories and drop them after 2 weeks because clen isn't in your system.
 
I believe clen loses its effectiveness after a couple weeks. Which is why it's cycled
 
You think straight through would be better? I wasn't intending to change my calories either. Was gonna keep them same based on tdee. 1000 calorie below. Just thought on weeks with clen fat loss would be more apparent
 
Everything looks right. Winny may be a tad high but that’s the only thing that could push the liver. May want to do the first 2 weeks with 25mg Winny. When you have the 2 weeks off Clen, Winny is bumped to 50 to pick up slack, then last 2 weeks they’re both in play.

You don’t need test at all with the proviron in play; 500mg test would be the worst possible way to lose weight, by introducing a bunch of estrogen (and we know you’re sensitive to this to boot). 100-200mg test prop per week would help you feel better and speed fatloss without introducing so much estrogen, but you aren’t going to do that so it’s a non-option.

Don’t take the Clen pre-training or before times of cardiovascular exertion.
 
With cytomel it's going to be body heat you get out of the deal. It's mainly a thermogenic.

this looks pretty good to cut but I really dislike Clen. Also, no cardarine?
 
Clen doesn't seem to bother me... It does raise my HR but the stimulation kinda helps me get **** done.

I was tempted to add cardarine. I've taken it before and didn't really get much out of it. I was thinking maybe throw it into pct...
 
I did the mistake to take T3 without test, I did get ripped but my strength, energy and testosterone tanked, I felt like ****! The Var&Winny might keep your strength&muscles but I’m sure your own testosterone will crash hard even with the SERM. I don’t recommend everyone to do T3 without a hefty dose of test!
 
BBiceps said:
I did the mistake to take T3 without test, I did get ripped but my strength, energy and testosterone tanked, I felt like ****! The Var&Winny might keep your strength&muscles but I’m sure your own testosterone will crash hard even with the SERM. I don’t recommend everyone to do T3 without a hefty dose of test!
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Are you trying to say you crashed your natural testosterone production by taking exogenous thyroid hormone?
 
Just my thoughts but I’d do clen 2 on 2 off but run an eca stack on the clen off weeks to keep things moving. I’d also be slamming down some taurine on clen as it depletes it badly I believe.

Personally I enjoy clen but I’d suggest some LISS cardio, primarily for heart health and BP but clearly it’ll help with fat loss.

If you did pin then for a cutting cycle (given your prone to estrogen) id use EQ rather than test, less conversion.
 
I read about the taurine affect on the heart... I'll pick some up. Better safe than sorry. Plus in previous cycles I've suffered with lower back pumps.

I do intend to add some cardio. But eating at the 1000 calorie deficit, clen and T3 I have no idea how much. I mean I wanna lose weight but want that weight to be fat... I'm assuming I start to push too much and muscle may go to. I guess I could add 1-2 hundred calories on cardio day.

I'll remember the advice with EQ when I do pin later in the year.
 
JimmBobby said:
In regards to T3 without test... Isn't that why proviron is in the cycle? I may be getting it wrong.
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i have never run a cycle yet but from my gym rat buddies know that a cycle with out test isnt cycle.. i bet that you can add some epiandrosterone to your cycle as 'TEST BASE' . i know that is very weak but actually will help i think and also the advantage is that it is oral too and no liver toxic ..
 
JimmBobby said:
I read about the taurine affect on the heart... I'll pick some up. Better safe than sorry. Plus in previous cycles I've suffered with lower back pumps.

I do intend to add some cardio. But eating at the 1000 calorie deficit, clen and T3 I have no idea how much. I mean I wanna lose weight but want that weight to be fat... I'm assuming I start to push too much and muscle may go to. I guess I could add 1-2 hundred calories on cardio day.

I'll remember the advice with EQ when I do pin later in the year.
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With var and winny in there you’ll struggle to lose muscle if you keep protein intake up. Personally I wouldn’t run a 1,000 deficit from the start (as you’ll need to drop Cals as the cycle progresses anyway), id start by eating at maintence and using cardio to create a 500 deficit. Remember clen works by increasing calorie expenditure as well so you don’t need to eat way below maintenance here mate.
 
I've been running the deficit for some time with regular refeeds with results. Do you think bumping back up to maintenance before I start cycle would eventually lead to better results on cycle. Starting at maintenance and every couple of days lowering? Hitting 1000 remaining there. Adding in cardio. I'm worried dropping below the 1000 calories mark. Would rather introduce cardio and create a further deficit that way rather than going lower.
 
nikosktm said:
i have never run a cycle yet but from my gym rat buddies know that a cycle with out test isnt cycle.. i bet that you can add some epiandrosterone to your cycle as 'TEST BASE' . i know that is very weak but actually will help i think and also the advantage is that it is oral too and no liver toxic ..
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What is with all of these guys with zero real experience chiming in to say crap like this??

I am on week 5 of an andro, LGD, & rotating orals (currently var) and smashing personal bests in every single lift on a nearly daily basis. In the last 4 days I have strictpressed a 222lb Log for a double, pulled 470x10 on a stiffbar resetting every rep, and frontsquat 405, all lifetime bests. I’m up 13lbs of bodyweight, strong as ever, and am, without a doubt, “on.”

Nothing wrong with test, but there’s a lot of ways to skin the cat is all I’m saying.
 
JimmBobby said:
I read about the taurine affect on the heart... I'll pick some up. Better safe than sorry. Plus in previous cycles I've suffered with lower back pumps.

I do intend to add some cardio. But eating at the 1000 calorie deficit, clen and T3 I have no idea how much. I mean I wanna lose weight but want that weight to be fat... I'm assuming I start to push too much and muscle may go to. I guess I could add 1-2 hundred calories on cardio day.

I'll remember the advice with EQ when I do pin later in the year.
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I look at cardarine mainly as a heart protectant, not so much a cutting agent in itself. Taking it is like doing constant LISS cardio as long as it's in your system. Even if you do a ton of LISS you're not getting much for a significant cut, we know this. In order to cut with cardio you have to burn a ton of calories, cardarine doesn't do that. It will help with the Clen sides, and any lipid issues from winny and var.

I had thought only 10mg a day was sufficient to cause the desired effect for me but it is proving not to be the case. At first it seemed to be working, BP was down, heart rate was down. Now I feel pretty much back to normal. Mine could be bunk, as well. I remember earlier this year seeing remarkable increases in endurance and energy.
 
"Oh but cardarine makes tumors grow faster..."

Yeah, so does GH, and you could also drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow if you're taking orals and your lipids are trashed/hematocrit and ALT are high. At least with cardarine, you won't be having that heart attack. Because your lipids and such will be in range.
 
No test base, are you nuts??

For those that do not pin have no business taking this class of supplementation at doses recommended today.
 
Wanna thank all for helping and the advice... Order has been put in. Gonna start it after Xmas. For the ppl who state test is needed. I will assess as I go and add if I think it is needed. The guy I order from says test being test very popular so always got some to hand if I want it.
 
JimmBobby said:
Wanna thank all for helping and the advice... Order has been put in. Gonna start it after Xmas. For the ppl who state test is needed. I will assess as I go and add if I think it is needed. The guy I order from says test being test very popular so always got some to hand if I want it.
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Could be a good baby step opportunity - get 1 lil 10ml vial and use slin pins for more of a heavy TRT dose to get used to pinning subq in the glutes or IM delts. Best of luck.
 
JimmBobby said:
Hey all,

Want some advice.

Got back into lifting a year ago and want to jump into a cycle. I have done previous cycles years ago from epi, hdrol, whinny, var, and a few others (all orals) at different times. But it's been a while. A bit of searching on the internet and came across a cutting cycle I would like to give a go... But wanted some peeps with actual knowledge not just some random site selling the gear (won't buy from there anyway). But here it is

6 weeks
Anavar 50mg
Winstrol 50mg
Proviron 25mg
Clen two week on/off ramping up and down weeks 3/4 off
Cytomel 25mg

In addition to support supps. I will also use 10mg Tamoxifen a day throughout... I know it affects gains but everything before seemed to give me puffy/itchy nips and I'll rather sacrifice that small amount of gains. I am also aware the proviron may act as an AI and the Tamoxifen may not be needed anyway.

Pct I would be using Tamoxifen. Starting 20mg then dropping down to 10mg probably 4-6 weeks in length.

My stats are

Age 33
BF 18ish% (don't trust those machines)
Lifting on and off 16 years
A few previous cycles all oral
Diet is clean high protein.
Cardio is minimal
Lifting 4-5 days hitting muscles min twice a week

Results soo far have been good. Losing on average 1.5-2lbs a week. But want to step it up a few years and introduce cardio, clen and t3.

Clen seems to really raise my HR. So the thing I'm most concerned about is the T3. What is the best way to monitor how it's affecting me? Body temp or HR. Though that will already be boosted.

In regards to the AAS how does the set up look?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Jimm
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Bumping my own thread.

But after one last bit of advice before I start this 7th Jan.

Timings... What do ppl recommend? Take everything in the morning in one hit or clen and T3 in morning and other stuff later.
 
I agree with adding a testosterone with your current cycle. I always bump up my protein even higher than when I’m bulking. I also like the addition of EAA’s during a calorie deficit.
 
add an ai at a light dose if you know you’ll get itchy nips, don’t do the nolvadex.

Test is not 100% necessary here, anavar and winstrol are best friends. Lethargy should not be an issue in the least. Sexual function either.
 
Old Witch said:
add an ai at a light dose if you know you’ll get itchy nips, don’t do the nolvadex.

Test is not 100% necessary here, anavar and winstrol are best friends. Lethargy should not be an issue in the least. Sexual function either.
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Yep...test test test...dont know why these guys won't listen to us. Rule number 1 of crossing to the dark side...test always. Arugue if you want...but you are wrong.
 
Old Witch said:
Yep. Test is best.
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Yep...cycles always start with test. I dont care how long you've been in the game....test anadrol, test dbol, test winny, test deca, test tren, honestly...for real..unless you are getting on stage...is all you will ever need. The rest is food and cardio. Injects...test, deca, tren...orals..anadrol, dbol, winny..for real...that really is all you need ever...unless you are competing.
 
swimfan65 said:
Yep...cycles always start with test. I dont care how long you've been in the game....test anadrol, test dbol, test winny, test deca, test tren, honestly...for real..unless you are getting on stage...is all you will ever need. The rest is food and cardio. Injects...test, deca, tren...orals..anadrol, dbol, winny..for real...that really is all you need ever...unless you are competing.
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Just real talk
 
JimmBobby said:
Hey all,

Want some advice.

Got back into lifting a year ago and want to jump into a cycle. I have done previous cycles years ago from epi, hdrol, whinny, var, and a few others (all orals) at different times. But it's been a while. A bit of searching on the internet and came across a cutting cycle I would like to give a go... But wanted some peeps with actual knowledge not just some random site selling the gear (won't buy from there anyway). But here it is

6 weeks
Anavar 50mg
Winstrol 50mg
Proviron 25mg
Clen two week on/off ramping up and down weeks 3/4 off
Cytomel 25mg

In addition to support supps. I will also use 10mg Tamoxifen a day throughout... I know it affects gains but everything before seemed to give me puffy/itchy nips and I'll rather sacrifice that small amount of gains. I am also aware the proviron may act as an AI and the Tamoxifen may not be needed anyway.

Pct I would be using Tamoxifen. Starting 20mg then dropping down to 10mg probably 4-6 weeks in length.

My stats are

Age 33
BF 18ish% (don't trust those machines)
Lifting on and off 16 years
A few previous cycles all oral
Diet is clean high protein.
Cardio is minimal
Lifting 4-5 days hitting muscles min twice a week

Results soo far have been good. Losing on average 1.5-2lbs a week. But want to step it up a few years and introduce cardio, clen and t3.

Clen seems to really raise my HR. So the thing I'm most concerned about is the T3. What is the best way to monitor how it's affecting me? Body temp or HR. Though that will already be boosted.

In regards to the AAS how does the set up look?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Jimm
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Throw the clen away you don't need it and definitely not 2 weeks on /2 off
 
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