Cutting Cycle

NoSwtTea4U

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Ok..I've had this cycle planned out for a while now, but I'll be starting it in about 2 weeks and I want to make necessary adjustments now. On to the cycle..

Clen(20mcg up to 120mcg)
Days 1-14, 28-42
M1T 5mg(should I up to 10 starting 2nd week?)
Days 7-28
TriMax (1,1,1,1, 2 for rest)
Days 7-28

PCT:
Nolva(40 mg week 1, 20 mg thereafter)
Days 28-out
6oxo(600 mg)
Days 28-31
Guggulbolic Extreme(6 ed)
Days 28-43

There it is, any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated..thanks in advance! :wave:
 
you should call this the "heart slayer" cycle. clen and M1T? rough. i would personally select a less toxic anabolic, and also one that imparts less water retention while cutting. also check out Invalid Link Removed for results of guggulbolic extreme. i could save you the trouble and tell you that it's worthless.

sorry to dump on your cycle - just calling it like i see it. dont want to hurt anyones feelings.:rolleyes:
 
blank! said:
you should call this the "heart slayer" cycle. clen and M1T? rough. i would personally select a less toxic anabolic, and also one that imparts less water retention while cutting. also check out Invalid Link Removed for results of guggulbolic extreme. i could save you the trouble and tell you that it's worthless.

sorry to dump on your cycle - just calling it like i see it. dont want to hurt anyones feelings.:rolleyes:
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The Clen and M1T are only ran together for 7 days...does anyone else share the opinion that this would be a bad option? As for the Guggulbolic..Sayings it's worthless is naive to say the least. There were never claims to have an "x" amount of E & Z gugguls in the product..so the test proves absolutely nothing in my opinion. Thank you for your concern though...any other opinions on the cycle guys?
 
NoSwtTea4U said:
The Clen and M1T are only ran together for 7 days...does anyone else share the opinion that this would be a bad option? As for the Guggulbolic..Sayings it's worthless is naive to say the least. There were never claims to have an "x" amount of E & Z gugguls in the product..so the test proves absolutely nothing in my opinion. Thank you for your concern though...any other opinions on the cycle guys?
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read up. E&Z are the only ones proven to do anything, and guggulbolic is severely lacking in those.

i'm not voicing an opinion regarding clen and M1T being used simultaneously OR in the same cycle - i am telling you that that is a risky plan. M1T destroys lipid profiles, and they dont bounce back immediately after you're done (the liver activity tends to, though) clen is notorious for raising blood pressure (it is one of the strongest vasoconstrictors) and has caused heart cell death in lab rats. yes, the doses were very high, and intermittent use for short periods is not thought (by the BB community) to be nearly as detrimental, but i plan on using this heart for many more years and dont want to take unnecessary risks. if you look around you'll see that most recreational BBers are steering away from clen...well, the males at least.

i can tell you that clen applied transdermally in a lipophilic carrier along with yohimbine works pretty well. there are so many safer options instead of clen.
 
I see the difficult stretch being the weeks of m1t & trimax without anything to fight the fatique. Lots of people don't like using 4ad on cuts because of the fluid retention, but it's only Feb and you'll lose the water long before traditional beach/pool weather. If you don't want to do that maybe some ECA would help fight the fatique. Have you ever used m1t or Trimax? People respond differently to each compound, but you may be surprised how dead you feel if you haven't seen how you respond to these substances. I don't know how hard the m1t/clen combo will be on your heart, but I'd be one bigass cramp if I did that. Possibly, potassium & taurine could help that, but again, ymmv.

dd
 
Blank, every single post I read from you comes off as antagonistic, critical, and self rightious. There's nothing wrong with giving advice or offering your experience. That's what the board is for. It would be nice though if you could do it in a manner that's constructive and doesn't reak of mallice.

That said,To no sweata, I'm not a big fan of clen either. But use it if you must. Are you gonna run EC in between?Everything else looks fine to me.
 
Lean One said:
That said,To no sweata, I'm not a big fan of clen either. But use it if you must. Are you gonna run EC in between?Everything else looks fine to me.
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Well I just ordered the clen..so I might as well use it. I had planned to use EC between the two clen stretches. To diamonddave-that is how I had planned to 'defeat' the lethargy. This is the first time I have ran these compounds...I will most likely purchase some Hawthorne to help with BP and while on..if we ever get it back in stock, I'm going to use Policosanol to help some with Cholesterol.

As for your words on blank! Lean One, I agree. I skimed your other posts after you replied to mine and it seems like they all are venting some frustration. It's cool if you want to help out, but try to do it in a kind manner-otherwise most people are just going to overlook your 'advice.'
 
Bump on DDs suggestion of taurine. One of the reasons I hate clen is 'cause it depletes muscle taurine.I never cramped up so bad as when I took clen. Couple that with M1T, and you're probably guaranteed to have problems. Bulk Taurine is cheap and it's tasteless. I dump a few gms right down the hole and wash it down with water. 5 to 10 gms/ day will help alot.
 
Glad to hear your going to use some EC for lethargy. Just go in prepared though. After a night of mega-cramps and sleeplessness is not the time to go online and start shopping for good prices on taurine. It works for a lot of people, so it might be a good idea to get some up front. Also, if you've never used m1t, maybe go ahead and start with 5mg. Since your running a cut, this may be plenty to avoid muscle wasting and you would have less chance for the sides to kick you. I've only used m1t once to date, and I only used 10mg (with 333mg of td 4ad) and ran a very successful bulk. I started at about 245lbs and 10mg worked great for me. Therefore, first time user and on a cutter, I'd try 5mg at the beginning and adjust as necessary. M1t works fast, so it's easy to adjust on-the-fly because feedback comes quickly. Good luck & keep us posted.


dd
 
you could also omit the "E" from the "EC" if you wanted to be even more heart-healthy. the caffeine is what picks you up - not so much the ephedrine, and the E is responsible for all the problems.

i'd personally throw in clomid to that PCT, but that's a matter of preference.

i dont know about "self-righteous" but it's completely fair to call my posting "critical" (i wouldnt have it any other way) - antagonistic, maybe. i'll consider toning it down. personally i come here for solid info and sound criticism of cycles and to explore options, risks and results of various compounds - if everyone tried to spare my feelings i would resent that alot more than "edgy" posts. if all evidence points to a conclusion, i'm gonna try and MAKE you see that conclusion, whether you like it or not. i rather enjoy the feeling of preventing someone from doing their body long-term harm. to that end, i think i am protagonistic if anything.

call it "tough love" :saw:
 
blank! said:
you could also omit the "E" from the "EC" if you wanted to be even more heart-healthy. the caffeine is what picks you up - not so much the ephedrine, and the E is responsible for all the problems.

i'd personally throw in clomid to that PCT, but that's a matter of preference.

i dont know about "self-righteous" but it's completely fair to call my posting "critical" (i wouldnt have it any other way) - antagonistic, maybe. i'll consider toning it down. personally i come here for solid info and sound criticism of cycles and to explore options, risks and results of various compounds - if everyone tried to spare my feelings i would resent that alot more than "edgy" posts. if all evidence points to a conclusion, i'm gonna try and MAKE you see that conclusion, whether you like it or not. i rather enjoy the feeling of preventing someone from doing their body long-term harm. to that end, i think i am protagonistic if anything.

call it "tough love" :saw:
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You sound like you could use a hug. I'll be sending pleasant thoughts your way. ;) :wave:
 
diamonddave said:
Glad to hear your going to use some EC for lethargy. Just go in prepared though. After a night of mega-cramps and sleeplessness is not the time to go online and start shopping for good prices on taurine. It works for a lot of people, so it might be a good idea to get some up front. Also, if you've never used m1t, maybe go ahead and start with 5mg. Since your running a cut, this may be plenty to avoid muscle wasting and you would have less chance for the sides to kick you. I've only used m1t once to date, and I only used 10mg (with 333mg of td 4ad) and ran a very successful bulk. I started at about 245lbs and 10mg worked great for me. Therefore, first time user and on a cutter, I'd try 5mg at the beginning and adjust as necessary. M1t works fast, so it's easy to adjust on-the-fly because feedback comes quickly. Good luck & keep us posted.


dd
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Thanks a lot for your help and I work at GNC, so Taurine isn't a problem to obtain..though ours is expensive :lol: . I guess I'll do the M1T at 5mg and Taurine-I'm going to go with 2g a day at first and if I'm cramping-I'll up it. Is insomnia a big problem on clen? Lately I've had trouble sleeping and if that'll increase that, then I guess I need to get some more melatonin :).
blank! thanks for taking constructive criticism rather than lashing out. Atleast your heart is in the right place.. :icon_lol:
 
NoSwtTea4U said:
Thanks a lot for your help and I work at GNC, so Taurine isn't a problem to obtain..though ours is expensive :lol: . I guess I'll do the M1T at 5mg and Taurine-I'm going to go with 2g a day at first and if I'm cramping-I'll up it. Is insomnia a big problem on clen? Lately I've had trouble sleeping and if that'll increase that, then I guess I need to get some more melatonin :).
blank! thanks for taking constructive criticism rather than lashing out. Atleast your heart is in the right place.. :icon_lol:
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I would go higher with the Taurine if I were you. 2 grams is a low dose and taurine has a host of other benifits. I never noticed a problem sleeping with clen, but you might want to take your last dose no later than 3 PM. Melatonin is the **** though when it comes to getting to sleep while on stims.
 
Lean One said:
I would go higher with the Taurine if I were you. 2 grams is a low dose and taurine has a host of other benifits. I never noticed a problem sleeping with clen, but you might want to take your last dose no later than 3 PM. Melatonin is the **** though when it comes to getting to sleep while on stims.
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I had planned to take the dose upon waking with breakfast(8am-11am depending on day). You're right..If I'm only going to use Taurine while on clen, then ~5g a day won't be too costly. Any problems with too much Taurine?
 
not to hijack but in a few weeks i'll be running clen for the first time, once you've ramped up to your max dose be it 120-160 how do people recommend taking it? all at once, in several divided doses .. should they be even? i've read conflicting reports ... and can i take it before my morning low intensity cardio?
 
glenihan said:
not to hijack but in a few weeks i'll be running clen for the first time, once you've ramped up to your max dose be it 120-160 how do people recommend taking it? all at once, in several divided doses .. should they be even? i've read conflicting reports ... and can i take it before my morning low intensity cardio?
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Take it all at once. Even 160 mcg's its only 1.6 ml's and it has a very long half life, something like 24 hours I believe. I would not take it before morning cardio. It will cramp you up bad if your not taking taurine and/or potassium. I love the stuff cause of its anti-catabolic benefits, its very muscle sparing.
 
scott72 said:
Take it all at once. Even 160 mcg's its only 1.6 ml's and it has a very long half life, something like 24 hours I believe. I would not take it before morning cardio. It will cramp you up bad if your not taking taurine and/or potassium. I love the stuff cause of its anti-catabolic benefits, its very muscle sparing.
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I would spread it out, but hey, that's just me. I would also dose it before my cardio too. I'm guessing you're smart enough to use taurine as a preventative measure. Right Glenihan?
 
NoSwtTea4U said:
I had planned to take the dose upon waking with breakfast(8am-11am depending on day). You're right..If I'm only going to use Taurine while on clen, then ~5g a day won't be too costly. Any problems with too much Taurine?
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I don't know what the upper limit is, but I do know a lot of guys love the stuff in higher doses. >10gm/day. Personall, I'm using between 5 and 8/day while on Superdrol.
 
glenihan,

Let your body tell you whether or not to split the dose. I think that with the longer half-life, you can go either way, but the sides should be your deciding factor. Some people sweat & shake like crazy on higher doses, so they are better off splitting it. I, for instance, quickly ramped up to 200mcg with minimal problems. I felt warm, but didn't sweat and my hands shook some for about 2 hours (not bad, similar to a good caffeine rush) so I just took it all at once. If you shake or sweat too much at 80 or 100mcg, but want to ingest more, by all means, split it up. Just don't take it too late in the day. And be prepared for the cramps. Even with potassium & taurine I was still almost constantly on the verge of a bigass death cramp.

dd
 
Just to chime in on the clen thoughts. I personally beleive you get more out of the compound by cycling it 2 days on and 2 days off.

Just my experience though. No science to back it up :)
 
NoSwtTea4U said:
Is insomnia a big problem on clen? Lately I've had trouble sleeping and if that'll increase that, then I guess I need to get some more melatonin :).
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careful with the melatonin - you can develop a quasi-addiction to it where it gets hard to get to sleep without it (happened to me). same thing with valerian. you've probably seen me advocate gaba for insomnia, and i'll do so again here. **** makes you wicked drowsy and i sleep like a champ and awake rested every morning. i know the sleep is better because i'm having longer and more frequent dreams, and requiring less sleep overall. plus gaba is ridiculously cheap considering the 500mg dosage. just my 2cc.
 
DD is right about the clen - let your body decide. Tha half-life is such that all at once is fine, but some develop more severe headaches and shakes that way. Personally, I split mine up to 2x daily.

Regarding blank!'s posts: I have run M1T with clen, and I will say this:

In this game all of these compunds used have risks, clen and M1T are certainly some major players. They can have sever impact to users, or may not. I have used both in a variety of ways, sometimes with sides...sometimes not. I have since ceased using M1T because of it's sides, and the only reason I don't use clen anymore is I prefer EC (or ECY) stack. They have risks and sides, whcih should be noted, the question is: are you willing to put up with the potential side effects for the possible benefits of the cycle? I think some discretion by the user is needed here, but I would not exactly say one shouldn't use them at all.
 
houseman said:
Just to chime in on the clen thoughts. I personally beleive you get more out of the compound by cycling it 2 days on and 2 days off.

Just my experience though. No science to back it up :)
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How do you ramp this type of cycle?

Nosweatea4u - Try L-theanine for a sleep aid. For me, Gaba works great for a mood elevator, but L-theanine puts the lights out almost as good as Benedryl.
 
Lean One said:
I would spread it out, but hey, that's just me. I would also dose it before my cardio too. I'm guessing you're smart enough to use taurine as a preventative measure. Right Glenihan?
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i've got more taurine than i know what to do with! 400 grams from 1fast lol
 
I am thinking about running a cutting cycle including clen, as with some other androgens. I have enough m5aa for basically anything, but only 360mg of m4ohn. Currently I was thinking of running 2 weeks clen and m4 @ 24mg ED. Then 2 weeks off, and clen & m5 for another 2 weeks. I have been trying to research clen on here, but most people are taking it by itsself or haven't posted results after starting it. Any help would be great... Especially from LO and if glen decided on what he is gonna run.
 
Clen works no doubt, but I don't like the side effects from the taurine depletion it causes. I never cramped up so bad as when doing clen. And the workouts? well, I refer to them as granny workouts. Low strength, crampy. I won't use clen anymore because of that. If you do use it, load up on taurine in advance and eat it like candy while you're cycling it.
 
Just letting everyone know I started my clen saturday and I was going to post my 'before' pictures now and take 'after' pictures at the end of the cycle. This was today after my workout-sorry for the sorry shots/blurriness..
 

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MaNiaK1027 said:
12-14%
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Hopefully by the end of this cycle I can be in the cingle digits :thumbsup: . On a side note, when I normally get on the treadmill and use the "iPulse" on it, my heart rate is 76-82. Since being on Clen, it's 105-110.
 
Good luck with everything. Im anxious to see how it works for you.

You look like you've lost a good bit of BF since last time I saw you. Looking good.
 
RSX-S said:
Good luck with everything. Im anxious to see how it works for you.

You look like you've lost a good bit of BF since last time I saw you. Looking good.
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Yeah, I've prob lost 15 lbs since then. I'm anxious as well to see how it works..hopefully all goes well and I come out alive.. :cheers:
 
A small update...
I started the cycle at 188, after 2 weeks of clen-I was 186, after 4 days of TriMax at 1 cap and 8 days at 2 caps, including 5 mg of M1T ed(8 days), I am at 191 :frustrate . I am up 5 lbs, strength is up a little bit and I look larger in the mirror, but my stomach(where most of my fat obviously is) is still the same. My diet is clean, greanted not perfect but it's pretty much the same type of thing I've been doing since I started at 227 lbs; watch what I eat-keep it clean, eat every 3 hours and don't overindulge.

I am a bit frustrated, simply because I wanted to lose some fat and I appear to have lost none but gained weight of some kind (water/muscle?).

Should I up the TriMax to 3 or continue what I'm doing and hopefully it kicks in? BTW..I'm at 25mg ephedrine 3x ed w/ 2 caps Xyience XFB( Invalid Link Removed - received free sample bottle)
Any help/comments/suggestions/flames/whatever would be greatly appreciated..thanks guys.. :wave:
 
Well the M1T is obviously going to add water/muscle. I wouldn't think about upping the dose of Trimax, or anything else for that matter. My guess would be that the diet needs to be tightened up.
 
NPursuit said:
Well the M1T is obviously going to add water/muscle. I wouldn't think about upping the dose of Trimax, or anything else for that matter. My guess would be that the diet needs to be tightened up.
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I agree prob diet. I wouldnt run M1T with Trimax either, I would think the lethargy would kill ya. Plus the bloat will discourage you. I'd run 40 mg's of M4OHN to preserve muscle. I had a lot of success with Clen/Trimax/M4OHN for 8 weeks. Try writing everything you eat down for a week and keep track of your macros. You'll be surprised how many cals your actually taking in.
 
scott72 said:
I agree prob diet. I wouldnt run M1T with Trimax either, I would think the lethargy would kill ya. Plus the bloat will discourage you. I'd run 40 mg's of M4OHN to preserve muscle. I had a lot of success with Clen/Trimax/M4OHN for 8 weeks. Try writing everything you eat down for a week and keep track of your macros. You'll be surprised how many cals your actually taking in.
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You're both probably right about diet. Lethargy is non-existent and all I have is M1T :rant: . The only other cycle I've ran was on mohn at 24 mg ed and 28mg on wo days. Did absolutely nothing for me-positive or negative. Thanks for some inputs though :).
 
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