Cut or bulk on tbol

Jsgym

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So I'm 6"4 and 90kg +/- 1.5kg, I am a week into a Tbol only cycle and have 5 weeks remaining. Around last September time I weighed around 75kg so since then have packed on some weight and recently have been eating 3500cals+, I've reached 90kg and I have begun to get a fairly big belly and some fat on my hips as well having puffy nipples. I'm still not considering 'big' in my arms and chest etc but do i carry on bulking even though some areas are clearly becoming a 'fat concern' until my cycle has finished or do I begin to cut now. Tips and advice is appreciated.
 
Summer is approaching. Big belly + shirt off = not very attractive. Unless you have huge shoulders to offset ratio.
 
Do like me and get you some clen and start cycling that with the Tbol ;). For me it's S23 and clen,
 
TBH at 6’4 and 90kg your pretty light imo.

In your situation I’d be either lean bulking or recomping - aim for maintainence Cals or just above - If you add lean mass without fat you %bf drops. Without pics it’s hard to tell but I’m guessing you probably need more lean mass......
 
110 kg natty my friend. Easily. You gotta get your calories dialed in. How long have you been training? Since last September? AAS will just be a temporary fix. I’d hate to see you gain it, then lose it all.
 
But if you’re gonna do it regardless, get that last bit of fat off with a low carb approach and then go all out bulking naturally. Just keep those calories high enough to put on a pound of lean muscle a week. Be active, lift heavy, eat protein. Repeat. Don’t skip workouts ever. Tall Skinny fat can respond to a push-pull-legs training split with heavy compound movements and super high protein intake, carbs only on workout days. But no one will ever agree what works best as everyone is different.
 
But if you’re gonna do it regardless, get that last bit of fat off with a low carb approach and then go all out bulking naturally. Just keep those calories high enough to put on a pound of lean muscle a week. Be active, lift heavy, eat protein. Repeat. Don’t skip workouts ever. Tall Skinny fat can respond to a push-pull-legs training split with heavy compound movements and super high protein intake, carbs only on workout days. But no one will ever agree what works best as everyone is different.

I do agree with you. Carbs are overrated and you only need them to push through a workout. I like to go 60-70% protein 20-30 carbs and the rest fat. If you don't take insulin you really don't need a high amount. Besides fat is a great source of energy.

Not having carbs or a low amount for about 3 days will make your brain think it doesn't need carbs as a main source of energy. It'll keep you leaner year round, it's healthier and it'll produce just as much gains
 
When I was on my feet all day, I couldn’t break 255 unless I was eating 400-500 grams a day. But at my job now at a desk, at almost 40, I don’t even touch them unless it’s 4 hours from workout time and post workout. However, I’m just leaning up for summer and want to lower bf. I start a 1 year bulk in September to hopefully do my first MP show in 2020, and carbs will be necessary for my tall a$$ to get up to 265+. I just started incorporating MCT oil recently and am enjoying its effects. It’s all trial and error. That’s why I don’t really understand all the younger guys jumping on gear when they haven’t really figured out the training/nutrition factors that work best for them. I feel it takes 5 years to do that unless you are genetically elite.

I’ve never really been skinny fat but I know skinny quite well, even though genetically, my entire family is prone to obesity, so maybe my diet has always been reasonable and helpful as I got into this as a 160lb skateboarder at 16 years old. Honestly, I had no problem putting the first 50lbs on with tuna and kraft Mac and cheese. Without considering drugs once. I’m glad I did it this way, because I spent so much time learning and incorporating different ideas for 2 decades. Making my results now in my later years fantastic, having a handle on these things and using extremely modest doses of AAS. And the most significant thing I’ve learned is, drugs aren’t super necessary to put size on, they are paramount for cutting weight/bf and maintaining muscle. Ya, they will get that size on you faster, but so does eating and training hard. Cutting naturally is just like masturbating with a cheese grater, it doesn’t get the job done like you wanted it to.
 
When I was on my feet all day, I couldn’t break 255 unless I was eating 400-500 grams a day. But at my job now at a desk, at almost 40, I don’t even touch them unless it’s 4 hours from workout time and post workout. However, I’m just leaning up for summer and want to lower bf. I start a 1 year bulk in September to hopefully do my first MP show in 2020, and carbs will be necessary for my tall a$$ to get up to 265+. I just started incorporating MCT oil recently and am enjoying its effects. It’s all trial and error. That’s why I don’t really understand all the younger guys jumping on gear when they haven’t really figured out the training/nutrition factors that work best for them. I feel it takes 5 years to do that unless you are genetically elite.

I’ve never really been skinny fat but I know skinny quite well, even though genetically, my entire family is prone to obesity, so maybe my diet has always been reasonable and helpful as I got into this as a 160lb skateboarder at 16 years old. Honestly, I had no problem putting the first 50lbs on with tuna and kraft Mac and cheese. Without considering drugs once. I’m glad I did it this way, because I spent so much time learning and incorporating different ideas for 2 decades. Making my results now in my later years fantastic, having a handle on these things and using extremely modest doses of AAS. And the most significant thing I’ve learned is, drugs aren’t super necessary to put size on, they are paramount for cutting weight/bf and maintaining muscle. Ya, they will get that size on you faster, but so does eating and training hard. Cutting naturally is just like masturbating with a cheese grater, it doesn’t get the job done like you wanted it to.

Yup people think they have diet in check yet they ask why they don't have abs. No bodybuilder is counting macros but nowadays they take insulin and hgh, back in the days it was all protein. Bulking isn't hard but bulking while leaning out is something that takes time to figure out.
 
TBH at 6’4 and 90kg your pretty light imo.

In your situation I’d be either lean bulking or recomping - aim for maintainence Cals or just above - If you add lean mass without fat you %bf drops. Without pics it’s hard to tell but I’m guessing you probably need more lean mass......

Sound stupid but I'm new to this... do you literally mean like a front on pic and a side pic?
 
Sound stupid but I'm new to this... do you literally mean like a front on pic and a side pic?

Front and side would be enough - just to get an idea of your frame and current leanness. To me your stats suggest you are light but everyone is different
 
Front and side would be enough - just to get an idea of your frame and current leanness. To me your stats suggest you are light but everyone is different

Yeh I agree I'm light and still look skinny apart from my stomach area
 
Yeh I agree I'm light and still look skinny apart from my stomach area

I’m working on the assumption that improving your aesthetics is the goal, if so then I definitely stick by my original sugggtion of lean bulking. If you get your macros right whilst on cycle you’ll gain no/very little fat but plenty of lean mass and you’ll look much better.

Then take the requisite time off and recomp on a future cycle to tighten up the midriff.

How is tbol only treating you by the way? Not seen anyone run it solo really. I’m planning to use it as a kickstart to a test e cycle in September.
 
I’m working on the assumption that improving your aesthetics is the goal, if so then I definitely stick by my original sugggtion of lean bulking. If you get your macros right whilst on cycle you’ll gain no/very little fat but plenty of lean mass and you’ll look much better.

Then take the requisite time off and recomp on a future cycle to tighten up the midriff.

How is tbol only treating you by the way? Not seen anyone run it solo really. I’m planning to use it as a kickstart to a test e cycle in September.

Only been on a week and a half, started to feel some increases in strength and noticing some nice muscle pumps through the day,
 
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