critique new cycle please

iron ogr

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on this cycle...
5-10mg m1-t ed week 1-2
90-120mg m1,4add ; weeks 3- 6
400mg 1-ad ; weeks 1-6

I had planned to take the m1-t as a jumpstart to this cycle.

In my experiences m1-t starts showing results around the 4th day.

Generally speaking 1ad dosen't kick in for around three weeks, by this time I will not be on m1-t anymore.

m1,4add is a fast bulker similar to m1-t, this combined with a moderate dose of 1ad seems like it would work nicely.
 
you better start the M14 right from day one if your not going to put some test with that stack
 
Yeah it would probably be good to add some 4ad trans in there if you could, it would also save you the worry of stacking another methyl with the M1T. M1,4ad is said to be the second most toxic methyl and probably not the best idea to stack the two. I've never stacked the two so I don't know for sure, but from what I've read around this it what I believe.
 
iron ogr said:
Generally speaking 1ad dosen't kick in for around three weeks, by this time I will not be on m1-t anymore.
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most have not found this to be true. i had results by day 8.

also, dont expect to be doing a lot of fvcking during this cycle, as both 1-ad and M1T can cause libido issues without lots of 4-ad.
 
DR.D said:
you better start the M14 right from day one if your not going to put some test with that stack
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THE BRAKES said:
both 1-ad and M1T can cause libido issues without lots of 4-ad.
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Am I correct in the thinking that m1,4add will help out w/ the sides of 1ad?
I personally would have no problem adding some 4ad, but I was under the impression that m1,4add + 4ad was a recipe for gyno?
 
freEQnasty said:
stacking another methyl with the M1T. M1,4ad is said to be the second most toxic methyl and probably not the best idea to stack the two.
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I wasn't really planning on stacking these:

m1-t ed week 1-2
90-120mg m1,4add ; weeks 3- 6
 
Just make sure you have Nolva on hand, which you should anyway, if your worried about the gyno but I bet you would probably be fine, unless your prone.
 
freEQnasty said:
Just make sure you have Nolva on hand, which you should anyway, if your worried about the gyno but I bet you would probably be fine, unless your prone.
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I never go "on" without it ;)
 
iron ogr said:
For which ?? (i'm assuming the sides?)

Do you have any suggestions on reworking that cycle??
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Both M14 and 4AD can both form estrogen, but the M14 helps out big time with the sides from M1T. So I strongly suspect that it would help with 1AD too. I would add 4AD to M1T if you don't want to stack the methyls.
 
I am very interested in finding a good use for m1,4add on a bulking cycle over going with the standard m1-t/4ad stack (I know this stack works, but I would like to try out something different)
 
I bet lethargy would be a bitch for the first 2-3 weeks without 4AD in there. Try doing a 1-test/M1,4 cycle for 6 weeks. If you go with your original plan and add 4AD, I would use a low dose and just keep a watch on it. If you are prone to gyno, you may want to take a low dose of Nolva during your cycle to be safe. Although, that can hinder some of your gains.
 
Cuffs said:
I bet lethargy would be a bitch for the first 2-3 weeks without 4AD in there. Try doing a 1-test/M1,4 cycle for 6 weeks. If you go with your original plan and add 4AD, I would use a low dose and just keep a watch on it. If you are prone to gyno, you may want to take a low dose of Nolva during your cycle to be safe. Although, that can hinder some of your gains.
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A low dose say...400-600mg oral 4ad (I have 4ad trans also, but would rather save it for higher dose cycle) and maybe nolva @ 10mg/day??

What dosages for the 1test/m1,4 6wk would you suggest??


What about stimulants to counter the lethargy?? :think: (or is that just not a good idea?)
 
iron ogr said:
What about stimulants to counter the lethargy?? :think: (or is that just not a good idea?)
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Stims actually cure it. That's one reason I still think it's a CNS problem to begin with.
 
iron ogr said:
A low dose say...400-600mg oral 4ad (I have 4ad trans also, but would rather save it for higher dose cycle) and maybe nolva @ 10mg/day??

What dosages for the 1test/m1,4 6wk would you suggest??
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Bump^
 
How big are you? If your over 200lbs I'd run the m1,4add at 150mg ed, If you've used it before and know how you'll respond.

Otherwise start at 80mg ed and go up every 3 days or so, to acces, tolerance.
 
Thanks for the advise MG

5'9 186lbs.
I've never used m1,4add before but I seem to tolerate m1-t @ 20mg/day just fine.

I'm planning on one more solid bulking cycle around mid Dec. Then I will be taking some time off after PCT and begin to cut around March.

Any other suggestions??
 
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