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critique epi/11-oxo stack

rdj6107

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30/40/40/40/50/50/x/x/x epistane
x/x/x/x/x/x/600/600/600 11-oxo

stats
6'2"
270lbs
27% bf
39yrs

cycle assist throughout, fish oil, & liver assist, & multivitamin

pct will consist of nolva, creatine, testosterone conversion factor-1 from PP.

thanks for any input, critique &/or suggestions.
 
With just proper training + diet, that fat will fly off and you could easily get down to at least 15% BF before running the cycle.
 
When on cycle the motivation is through the roof. I know its a backwards way of doing it but it works for me. When off cycle its harder for me.
 
I honestly dont see the benefit of running this 11-oxo bridge, you'll be extending the cycle pretty long and it could affect your recovery during PCT

I would run the 11-oxo for 6 weeks with the EPI, then throw in something like a 7-keto spray to keep the fat loss going during PCT

Running a 9 week oral cycle is just too long, and you are finishing up the bridge with a very week compound, the original "11-oxo bridge" by PA was a great idea, not sure how much it really solidifies gains or whatever the purpose of it is, but it will keep you shutdown longer, keep the oral cycles to 6 weeks
 
jaydollars said:
I honestly dont see the benefit of running this 11-oxo bridge, you'll be extending the cycle pretty long and it could affect your recovery during PCT

I would run the 11-oxo for 6 weeks with the EPI, then throw in something like a 7-keto spray to keep the fat loss going during PCT

Running a 9 week oral cycle is just too long, and you are finishing up the bridge with a very week compound, the original "11-oxo bridge" by PA was a great idea, not sure how much it really solidifies gains or whatever the purpose of it is, but it will keep you shutdown longer, keep the oral cycles to 6 weeks
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i have been searching the forums for epi/11-oxo stacks and could not find them. i am not above doing research, please point me in the right direction.
 
rdj6107 said:
i have been searching the forums for epi/11-oxo stacks and could not find them. i am not above doing research, please point me in the right direction.
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Well here is my philosophy...

Epi is pretty strong, you should get pretty awesome gains in 6 weeks, some people have 10-20 pounds in that time frame if you eat enough, by 6 weeks you gains from a strong oral will stall out, you'll reach a point where the pounds just wont really come on anymore

Then you bridge into 11-oxo, possible the weakest of all orals available, and really only lowers cortisol unless your run very very high doses, like 1 gram a day, then maybe it is slighlty anabolic, but I have yet to see 1 person actually gain any significant weight on 11-oxo as it is best for keeping cortisol while cutting.

Well if you do bridge into the 11-oxo think about this, after 6 weeks you are shut down and your gains have been stalled, you introduce 11-oxo while shutdown, have 0 anabolic effects, and delay PCT and your recovery, then you start PCT week 11 after not using HCG, this could be a tuff recovery especially after a strong oral like Epi that adds pounds on pretty quick

I mean, if you are ok with going 10 weeks on orals, then I suggest you switch out the 11-oxo for something that will actually continue the gains

Run them both at the same time if you want to maximize effects, then jump into an aggresive PCT on week 7 to keep as much of those gains as possible
 
How does this look?
Preload cycle assist for 2weeks with liver assist and through cycle and pct.
30/40/40/40/40/50 epi
600/600/600/600/600/600 11-oxo
Pct will consist of Nova, creatine, etc.etc.
Epi & 11-oxo will take 1/2 in a.m. with breakfast & 1/2 in p.m. 30min before workout.
Should/can perworkout drink like Jacked be taken. I also sip on BCAA in gatorade during workout.

Thanks for input.
 
rdj6107 said:
How does this look?
Preload cycle assist for 2weeks with liver assist and through cycle and pct.
30/40/40/40/40/50 epi
600/600/600/600/600/600 11-oxo
Pct will consist of Nova, creatine, etc.etc.
Epi & 11-oxo will take 1/2 in a.m. with breakfast & 1/2 in p.m. 30min before workout.
Should/can perworkout drink like Jacked be taken. I also sip on BCAA in gatorade during workout.

Thanks for input.
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Interested in this as well. I have all this and was planning on the exact cycle. My only concern is the 600 of 11 Oxo. Last time I ran PH was halo + 11 oxo. When I got to 600 I got so dry I was limping around like an old timer. But perhaps with animal flex, super cissus, and lots of fish oil 600 will be OK?
 
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