phaeton66
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Some thoughts on PCT regimens for trenbolone:
I can't believe I ever screwed around with superdrol; Tren is truly gear of the gods. In a light 4 week cycle last year, I experienced what amounts to a total body recomposition; diet, exercise and lovely, lovely trenbolone finally made my old body relatively lean. I stayed at 190lbs or so, lost 3" off my waist, kept my chest size while losing pubertal gyno, gained an inch on my arms, and what is more: one full year later, despite not hitting the gear since then, eating a relatively sloppy diet (compared to years past, when I couldn't lose any fat), and doing precious little cardio since then, I have actually kept every inch of my gains. Trenbolone is a harsh mistress; it was only a 4 week transdermal, but it made me feel alternately godlike and moody-insane. But it was worth it. To an old guy like me, it really changed my life as much as lifting weights did in the first place.
Here's my past miracle cycle:
In retrospect I figure I was under dosing the cabergoline, and shouldn't have touched the GABA at all. Sure, extra growth hormone is great for a PCT ... but accompanied by extra prolactin in this situation, it's worse than useless. Who knows what it does when mixed with caber. Finally, I think the most important fact is that toremifene is a bad PCT drug for trenbolone, probably for the same reasons nolvadex is a bad PCT drug for trenbolone (prolactin, basically). Something I could have done smarter is up the 4AD while on cycle (this small dose seemed to be enough to avoid fina **** while I was on it), and run it a week or two longer than the tren. I'm guessing that waiting for the tren to clear completely before I take a SERM is going to do my body more good than waiting for it to clear while on a SERM. Either that, or I'm going to saponify the tren into a base and do the base for the last week or two. If I'm gonna do that though, I better get out my test tubes, as I started my fina 2 days ago.
Present 4 week cycle:
Proposed basic PCT:
Possible adjuncts:
Any thoughts from those who are more experienced? Yeah, I could inject the fina and run test instead of 4AD. But this is the PCT forum, so call me an idiot for having a dumb PCT, not for doing a dumb cycle. I love my dumb cycle! I want to love my PCT also. Am I just overreacting to the harshness of tren shutdown? Is it possible to have a tren PCT which is as easy as a superdrol PCT, or do I just need to suck it up and spend more time in PCT.
I can't believe I ever screwed around with superdrol; Tren is truly gear of the gods. In a light 4 week cycle last year, I experienced what amounts to a total body recomposition; diet, exercise and lovely, lovely trenbolone finally made my old body relatively lean. I stayed at 190lbs or so, lost 3" off my waist, kept my chest size while losing pubertal gyno, gained an inch on my arms, and what is more: one full year later, despite not hitting the gear since then, eating a relatively sloppy diet (compared to years past, when I couldn't lose any fat), and doing precious little cardio since then, I have actually kept every inch of my gains. Trenbolone is a harsh mistress; it was only a 4 week transdermal, but it made me feel alternately godlike and moody-insane. But it was worth it. To an old guy like me, it really changed my life as much as lifting weights did in the first place.
Here's my past miracle cycle:
- 100mg 4AD/day (for sides; it worked while on)
- 120mg fina/day in DMSO (ramped up to 120mg from 60mg over time as I got used to it)
- 250mcg cabergoline e3d
- Toremifene: 60mg/day front loaded @ 120mg for first 2 days
- 250mcg cabergoline e3d (prolactin control)
- DHEA 100mg for first week (cort control)
- GABA 5g every evening
- 4 caps activate ed once the nuts start to come back
- Maca daily once the nuts are back
- Cialis for morale
In retrospect I figure I was under dosing the cabergoline, and shouldn't have touched the GABA at all. Sure, extra growth hormone is great for a PCT ... but accompanied by extra prolactin in this situation, it's worse than useless. Who knows what it does when mixed with caber. Finally, I think the most important fact is that toremifene is a bad PCT drug for trenbolone, probably for the same reasons nolvadex is a bad PCT drug for trenbolone (prolactin, basically). Something I could have done smarter is up the 4AD while on cycle (this small dose seemed to be enough to avoid fina **** while I was on it), and run it a week or two longer than the tren. I'm guessing that waiting for the tren to clear completely before I take a SERM is going to do my body more good than waiting for it to clear while on a SERM. Either that, or I'm going to saponify the tren into a base and do the base for the last week or two. If I'm gonna do that though, I better get out my test tubes, as I started my fina 2 days ago.
Present 4 week cycle:
- 4AD 350mg/day (I need to get rid of it, besides which, it feels nice)
- fina 120mg/day
- cabergoline 250mcg/EOday
Proposed basic PCT:
- 100/100/75/50mg clomid
- 500mcg cabergoline e3d
Possible adjuncts:
- Starting the PCT after one week of 4AD only, to clear the tren from my system completely.
- Toremifene 60mg/day -on the same philosophy people take Nolva with Clomid.
- 100mg DHEA -cort control, plus I'm old
- IGF-1lr3 30mcg/eod -I've wanted to hit this stuff for a long time now. Seems like a great substance to aid tough recoveries, and I'd like to give it a shot for nagging injuries and anti-aging properties. I suspect tren's effects on IGF is one of the reasons I like the pretty poison so much.
- 100mcg/day each of GHRP-6 + CJC-1295/mod GRF(1-29) -seems like this would also aid in recovery in the HPTA in the same way as IGF-1lr3, and have even more positive anti-aging properties but I worry about the prolactin and cortisol releasing properties of GHRP-6. Yeah, I know, it isn't supposed to happen if you stack it with CJC-1295, but nobody really knows if this is true with GRF(1-29) -though it seems like it should be OK.
- Maca + cialis -because it can't hurt my morale having a ****
Any thoughts from those who are more experienced? Yeah, I could inject the fina and run test instead of 4AD. But this is the PCT forum, so call me an idiot for having a dumb PCT, not for doing a dumb cycle. I love my dumb cycle! I want to love my PCT also. Am I just overreacting to the harshness of tren shutdown? Is it possible to have a tren PCT which is as easy as a superdrol PCT, or do I just need to suck it up and spend more time in PCT.