Creatine and dieting NATTYS ONLY

If you're cutting, you're not going to see gains because you'd be in a calorie deficit. If you want to recomp, you could see loss of fat with the addition of muscle.

Creatine realistically won't make a huge difference in this scenario as far as mass gains are concerned however, it could very well help you continue to progress, which in the long run will help you to further your goals. Creatine IMO, should be taken pretty much by anyone that can take it.
 
Spaniard said:
If you're cutting, you're not going to see gains because you'd be in a calorie deficit. If you want to recomp, you could see loss of fat with the addition of muscle.

Creatine realistically won't make a huge difference in this scenario as far as mass gains are concerned however, it could very well help you continue to progress, which in the long run will help you to further your goals. Creatine IMO, should be taken pretty much by anyone that can take it.
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Would it help retain muscle and strength?
 
The determining factors for muscle and strength retention are going to be largely diet and training dependent. To retain mass and strength through your cut be sure to maintain your numbers for training. To hang onto your hard earned mass be sure not to cut calories too dramatically.

Could creatine help? Sure it could, creatine is a wonder supplement. I just do not want to see you put too much emphasis on a supplement and end up disappointed. Look into TMG as well, it has some positive data on muscle gain and fat loss in trained subjects.
 
GAINZZ4DAYZZ said:
Would it help retain muscle and strength?
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Strength definitely.For cutting I would suggest Creatine ethyl ester though,as Mono makes me hold water.Use Leucine for better muscle retention
 
Get a mono.
Take 3-5g on workout days after 5g of 30 days worth
no cycling/loading necessary

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Conclusion

Creatine ethyl ester did not show any additional benefit to increase muscle strength or performance than creatine monohydrate or maltodextose placebo.

Additionally, total body mass, fat mass, fat-free mass, and thigh muscle mass were not significantly enhanced with creatine ethyl ester supplementation compared to placebo or creatine monohydrate groups.

I. The vast majority of the improvement observed in the present study can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation.

Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring.
 
jakz said:
Strength definitely.For cutting I would suggest Creatine ethyl ester though,as Mono makes me hold water.Use Leucine for better muscle retention
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CEE is not worth it and been shown to be less effective.

If you want a designer creatine, go with something like Green Mag (MCC).
 
aaronuconn said:
CEE is not worth it and been shown to be less effective.

If you want a designer creatine, go with something like Green Mag (MCC).
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Personally it is the ONLY creatine I got any results with,but THATS JUST ME
 
I usually dont use creatine personal when im cutting. I usual just use it when im bulking because it lets me gain strength and hold water. But if you want to check out some creatine products here is our creatine page at Strong Supplement Shop.
http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/creatine?limit=all
 
jakz said:
Like I said,Leucine for muscle retention :)
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must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.
 
Gainaddict said:
must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.
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No problem :).I agree 100%
 
Creatine is great for cutting or bulking. Creatine monohydrate at 3-5 grams daily is all one needs. Cremax is a solid creatine option. Not only do you get your 5 grams, but each serving has taurine which will help with hydration, betanine which increases performance and can have a positive effect on body composition, and cop which aids in recovery and endurance.
 
Gainaddict said:
must have over looked that post, sorry man. I hate when people incessantly repeat previous posts. But for real I'd say a healthy dose of BCAA's should be the first thing you worry about and adding in Creatine certainly wouldn't hurt but those aminos would do a lot in the way of preserving muscle mass.
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most people get adequate BCAA's daily from whole foods.
 
GAINZZ4DAYZZ said:
What's the difference of bcaas and protien when it comes to preserving muscle?
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Some people just use BCAAs for a few main reasons:
1) Going w/o food for a while, that would also apply to training fasted. Before/during/after training.

2) Insurance on a weight loss program.

3) Drinking for taste & through out the day when they may not be getting adequate food, also some proteins mess w/peoples stomachs so the BCAAs can come into play there as well.

As far as creatine, it's a proven supplement with a ton of studies. It can help you add mass, improve your overall work out performance as well as improve strength and muscular endurance.
 
How do you plan on consuming zero carbs? And you can't possibly expect to continue eating no carbs and not suffer from it. While fats won't make you fat they do result in the most calories from a single gram so why would you cut the carbs so low and then not count fat?
Is your goal to recomp or cut? Also age, height and weight would help.
 
Gainaddict said:
How do you plan on consuming zero carbs? And you can't possibly expect to continue eating no carbs and not suffer from it. While fats won't make you fat they do result in the most calories from a single gram so why would you cut the carbs so low and then not count fat?
Is your goal to recomp or cut? Also age, height and weight would help.
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I do that just cuz it's Easyer for me I don't like counting out every macro it drives me crazy after a while lol

I'm 5"6 185ishlbs I wanna cut down to 170
 
jimbuick said:
Green magnitude is solid.

USP has ModernCreatine now too, which looks awesome.
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Have you checked out VITAL1TY? And before you say how similar they are, ours was released first.
 
GAINZZ4DAYZZ said:
I got it measured it said 20%
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I'd honestly suggest keeping that protein above 180, keep the junk carbs eliminated and get carbs from veggies at every meal and adding in some rice won't kill you or your goals, and don't let your fats go nuts. I'm not a trainer or diet coach man so I don't really have a place to hand out advice like that but for real you need those carbs to stay healthy and the weight will come off fast if you kill those weights and hit some cardio, especially a stairmill if you have one to use.
 
If you're 16,then you can use a protein blend which should have BCAA in.You have enough Test for muscle retention ;)
 
Sorry for the dubble post,app is very dodgy
 
Spaniard said:
Have you checked out VITAL1TY? And before you say how similar they are, ours was released first.
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I can't say I have, didn't even know it was a thing.

Just looked it up and it looks good, don't know crap about the phosphatidylserine though.

Price looks pretty good too, flavors sound good but I've never tried any of OLs stuff so I don't know if the flavoring is any good lol.
 
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