couture vs lesnar

I don't get why they're playing this up as "the most important fight in UFC history." How does this trump Ultimate Fighter I between Griffin and Bonner and the ratings they are now receiving as a direct result? I realize Randy Couture's fame and what his reemergence means, but come on- the heavyweight division is admittedly weaker and more boring than the rest. I believe Joe Rogan and Dana White verbally agreed with this at one point or another (can't remember, though it's likely from a TUF episode), saying they're slower and lumbering.
 
flobot said:
Umm yeah... a guy w/ an inferior skillset that KO'd a legend that just dominated a 6'8" Tim Sylvia.

This is actually what makes an MMA fight interesting. ANYBODY can be KO'd w/ those tiny gloves. (Except maybe hockey players hehehe..)

Edit: And btw, anticipating some comments on the hockey player: A show from Nat Geographic called Sport Science tested the power of an average hockey player's bare knuckle punch and Rampage Jackson's punch w/ MMA glove on. They were equal. So let nobody tell me that hockey players can't take a decent punch.
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Was that hockey player on skates and on ice?
 
Rodja said:
No, I am talking about the unified rules. WAMMA is an organization that did not adopt it either. To my knowledge, no orgs have adopted the revised weight classes.
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So, like a king without a country?

That's the last thing the sport needs is unified rules that no one follows... Boxing has about 17 different unified rules - and it's awesome.
 
flobot said:
No, just standing hehe. Fine fine...MMA wins. Those guys are real tough guys too though
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Haha, yes... Hockey dudes are tough, but its hard to get damaging momentum on skates. When they grab jerseys and start wailing though, some damage can be had.

But that's why refs break up the fights when they hit the ice. That's where the damage would really be apparent.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I do see the point, but are you in turn recognizing that a fighter's status at weigh-in, and his subsequent weight status during the fight are two different things? If one cannot realize that a 190lb individual can plausibly weigh-in at 170, and in turn fight against an individual who needed to bulk to reach weigh-in, that is unfortunate. The picture below is of Kevin Randleman at 205:

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This photo is of Brandon Vera at 205:

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The sheer size and muscular difference here is equal to that of the divergence between Lesnar and Couture. This is in the same weight class as well, and I thought the spread in lower weight classes was more equitable?
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holly crap randleman is hhuuuuoooogggeeeeee:jaw:
 
MrBrightside said:
I don't get why they're playing this up as "the most important fight in UFC history." How does this trump Ultimate Fighter I between Griffin and Bonner and the ratings they are now receiving as a direct result? I realize Randy Couture's fame and what his reemergence means, but come on- the heavyweight division is admittedly weaker and more boring than the rest. I believe Joe Rogan and Dana White verbally agreed with this at one point or another (can't remember, though it's likely from a TUF episode), saying they're slower and lumbering.
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they hype up every main event and usually you hear them say it is the best or the biggest fight so that doesnt really matter.

on the weight subject... it goes like this, if you are a heavyweight and you cant cut down to 205 to weigh in then you can be fckkked hard fighting a guy that is over 50lbs heavier than you, or you could win. its just the way its always been in that division. You make due with what you can and you fight. At least there is a limit or else we would see 350lbers in there i guarantee. If you cant hang in the heavyweight division then you gotta go down and if you cant go down then too bad lol.
 
What's cool is that the refs are now encouraging take downs. Some players don't even attempt to fight a striking battle, they go for a double leg takedown lol.

Yeah, I'm totally impressed w/ the strength of their knuckles too that often hit helmet before hitting head.

TimberLakers said:
Haha, yes... Hockey dudes are tough, but its hard to get damaging momentum on skates. When they grab jerseys and start wailing though, some damage can be had.

But that's why refs break up the fights when they hit the ice. That's where the damage would really be apparent.
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flobot said:
What's cool is that the refs are now encouraging take downs. Some players don't even attempt to fight a striking battle, they go for a double leg takedown lol.
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That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
 
MrBrightside said:
That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
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I agree with your statement in general. However, preference is subjective. I love my knockouts, but I think it's waaaaaaaaaaay the phuck cooler when BJ Penn RNC's his opponents, rather then punching him out. Fedor as well, I'm usually looking and hoping for a sub victory when I watch him. Your statement is probably mostly true, which would explain Chunk Lidell's popularity, but again, subjective, I'm a KO guy in general, but with certain fighters and match ups, I will hope for and prefer the excitement of a well exectuted sub.
 
MrBrightside said:
That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
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That is awesome, because I believe he was talking about Hockey. Hence, 'players' instead of 'fighters'. :)
 
I agree. I think KOs are more entertaining to the general public.

However, a KO means that you hit the guy hard enough to physically render him unable to continue. A submission means he voluntarily chose to discontinue.

That's a big difference if you think about it. If I were a fighter, I would try to use my BJJ skills to get in positions to pound a dude until he is dazed and then submit him. That would be the best of both worlds.
 
Yeah sorry to sidetrack to hockey. I just find those guys tough as nails too (just like MMA fighters in fact.)

I like KO's when they're well executed. I don't like it when fighters just get lucky w/ a KO.

I like subs when they're technical too. I don't like it when people just use muscle to guillotine or whatever their opponent (which most probably does not know enough BJJ.)

The best subs are those that are executed w/ the use of proper technique and proper application of strength.
 
People dont really have the capacity to appreciate things they dont understand, in general they shun the unknown and laud the familiar.

IF a guy was RNC'ed or had a kimura break his upper third humerous i imagine he would have a respect and appreciation for the missunderstood, under appreaciated and ever effective BJJ game.

Most people also like instant gratification, a happy ending and explosions. Hence the popularity of fireworks, knockouts, drinking and sex.

I appreciate a person with the courage and conviction to win, in any situation, to persevere, battle and come out on top.
 
I love all KOs. Even if they are lucky. I don't believe too much in "luck" anyway.

I agree on wack subs though. It's not that exciting to see an guillotine anymore. RNC either.
 
flobot said:
Yeah sorry to sidetrack to hockey. I just find those guys tough as nails too (just like MMA fighters in fact.)

I like KO's when they're well executed. I don't like it when fighters just get lucky w/ a KO.

I like subs when they're technical too. I don't like it when people just use muscle to guillotine or whatever their opponent (which most probably does not know enough BJJ.)

The best subs are those that are executed w/ the use of proper technique and proper application of strength.
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A good BJJ player wont get muscled into a guillotine... or a RNC. Just rarely ever happens.

That's a choke JuJistu practitioners use on retards, brawlers, and wrestlers.

That being said - a few decent BJJ guys have gotten caught... but by and large - anyone getting caught with a guillotine should not be fighting in the UFC.
 
Bro, any BJJ guy is in danger of getting RNC'ed if the other person has his back. All the other dude has to do is pound his head in until the BJJ guy forgets about the RNC and just wants to defend the blows to the dome.

I agree about the guillotine though, lol. That's just kind of crappy take down technique. If it happens any other time than a take down, then whoa.
 
Emerge said:
Bro, any BJJ guy is in danger of getting RNC'ed if the other person has his back. All the other dude has to do is pound his head in until the BJJ guy forgets about the RNC and just wants to defend the blows to the dome.

I agree about the guillotine though, lol. That's just kind of crappy take down technique. If it happens any other time than a take down, then whoa.
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Its possible, but very few qualified BJJ (read... not total sh*t) will "forget" about the RNC. And even if it's put on, they wouldn't panic. There are ways of getting out of the RNC, or ensuring that it doesn't get sunk deep enough to put you out.
 
Sometimes, or so I've read, people have given up the RNC just to stop the pounding. But once dazed.. his level of technique is compromised.
 
TimberLakers said:
A good BJJ player wont get muscled into a guillotine... or a RNC. Just rarely ever happens.

That's a choke JuJistu practitioners use on retards, brawlers, and wrestlers.

That being said - a few decent BJJ guys have gotten caught... but by and large - anyone getting caught with a guillotine should not be fighting in the UFC.
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That's only on paper. Couture has been caught with a guillotine as have several BB in BJJ.
 
Rodja said:
Then don't make a blanket statement.
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I said rarely...

TimberLakers said:
Then don't make a blanket statement
A good BJJ player wont get muscled into a guillotine... or a RNC. Just rarely ever happens.
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Mebbe learn to read more betters :frustrate before you get all huffy...

I also said "muscled" which implies someone is using only strength for a guillotine. You can only squeeze the crap out of someone's neck area for so long at full strength.
 
TimberLakers said:
I said rarely...



Mebbe learn to read more betters :frustrate before you get all huffy...

I also said "muscled" which implies someone is using only strength for a guillotine. You can only squeeze the crap out of someone's neck area for so long at full strength.
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Like I said, only on paper. Strikes and cardio change the game. Thats why you see BB getting subbed by blue's and purple's in MMA.
 
somewhatgifted said:
People dont really have the capacity to appreciate things they dont understand, in general they shun the unknown and laud the familiar.

IF a guy was RNC'ed or had a kimura break his upper third humerous i imagine he would have a respect and appreciation for the missunderstood, under appreaciated and ever effective BJJ game.

Most people also like instant gratification, a happy ending and explosions. Hence the popularity of fireworks, knockouts, drinking and sex.

I appreciate a person with the courage and conviction to win, in any situation, to persevere, battle and come out on top.
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Well that's just unamerican.
 
What's a canada?

For the record, I don't like fireworks or drinking, lol. I see where you're coming from though with the instant gratification bit, it's technology's fault.

Now let me get back to my knockouts and sex.
 
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