Couple of questions on some products (bit of a detailed post)

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Hello everyone, got a few questions:

I have been lifting weights about ten years, with a 1 year break about 4 years ago due to injury.

Stats: 28y/o, 188cm, 228lb, ~18% bf
I put on both muscle and fat easily.

I felt for the last year I haven’t made any progress at all, but I might have been half-assing some workouts. However, the last three months, I’ve made slight gains due to almost doubling my lifting volume and ironing out my diet. I am interested in taking something to boost my gains but I do not want to use gear or anything hard due to being worried about side effects (mainly hair loss).

In the past, I used the following product (by Anabolic Warfare) for 8 weeks, twice in my life during 2019. I experienced zero negative side effects though I didn’t notice much gains either. I did notice a slight strength increase and some tightening up around the core.

Dose twice daily:

3b-hydroxy-androstane-17-one 100mg
7a-hydroxy-dehydroepiandrosterone 25mg

Estrogen blocker once daily:

White Button Mushroom extract 10:1 300mg
3,3 diinedolylmethane 200mg
Indole-3-carbinol 200mg
Buschu leaf 125mg
Dandelion leaf 125mg
Juniper berry 125mg
Bearberry leaf 125mg
Acacetin (4-methoxy-5, 7-dihydroxyflavone) 60mg
Polygonum cuspidatum root 50mg


I am interested in using the following product.

Epiandrosterone 100mg
Beta ecdysterone 50 mg
1-4 OHP17beta-({1-ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol) 25mg

This is the PCT I have used and intend to use:


Anabolic Warfare Savage series PCT. it’s a blend if you want to look it up but I’m not really sure how to type up the ingredients. It’s what I used when I finished with the original product that I used in the past.



My question: should I use the first product with the E-blocker since I have in the past and experienced no negative side effects, but DOUBLE the dosage? Or should I try this new product/does anyone have experience with those ingredients? I have been doing a lot of research but I don’t see much info on these product. Lastly, is there a completely different route you would take?

Thanks for your time.
 
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Hello everyone, got a few questions:

I have been lifting weights about ten years, with a 1 year break about 4 years ago due to injury.

Stats: 28y/o, 188cm, 228lb, ~18% bf
I put on both muscle and fat easily.

I felt for the last year I haven’t made any progress at all, but I might have been half-assing some workouts. However, the last three months, I’ve made slight gains due to almost doubling my lifting volume and ironing out my diet. I am interested in taking something to boost my gains but I do not want to use gear or anything hard due to being worried about side effects (mainly hair loss).

In the past, I used the following product (by Anabolic Warfare) for 8 weeks, twice in my life during 2019. I experienced zero negative side effects though I didn’t notice much gains either. I did notice a slight strength increase and some tightening up around the core.

Dose twice daily:

3b-hydroxy-androstane-17-one 100mg
7a-hydroxy-dehydroepiandrosterone 25mg

Estrogen blocker once daily:

White Button Mushroom extract 10:1 300mg
3,3 diinedolylmethane 200mg
Indole-3-carbinol 200mg
Buschu leaf 125mg
Dandelion leaf 125mg
Juniper berry 125mg
Bearberry leaf 125mg
Acacetin (4-methoxy-5, 7-dihydroxyflavone) 60mg
Polygonum cuspidatum root 50mg


I am interested in using the following product.

Epiandrosterone 100mg
Beta ecdysterone 50 mg
1-4 OHP17beta-({1-ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol) 25mg

This is the PCT I have used and intend to use:


Anabolic Warfare Savage series PCT. it’s a blend if you want to look it up but I’m not really sure how to type up the ingredients. It’s what I used when I finished with the original product that I used in the past.



My question: should I use the first product with the E-blocker since I have in the past and experienced no negative side effects, but DOUBLE the dosage? Or should I try this new product/does anyone have experience with those ingredients? I have been doing a lot of research but I don’t see much info on these product. Lastly, is there a completely different route you would take?

Thanks for your time.
there’s a few issues here brother.....

- any anabolic but especially a DHT derivative such as the epiandro your looking at can cause hair loss- hair loss is mainly driven by genetics and propensity to MPB.

- I’ve not seen that product, but epiandro is a suppressive anabolic, the final bit appears to be a 17a diene that will also be suppressive.

- the dosage of what I assume is a per pill is fucking low. You would need 9 per day to get a decent epiandro dosage

- you don’t have a pct (I know you think you do but that’s not a pct and won’t do **** for restarting your HPTA)

honestly I would start again bro

the safest way to use anabolics imo is a test only cycle. That will boost your gains and be the ‘healthiest’ way to do something that is inherently unhealthy

I do always say that if you are going to use something suppressive, in my opinion you do need to get the maximum upside from suppressing your natural hormone production (ie the risk you take).

As I regularly say, you wouldn’t go to a hooker for a hug would you
 
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as stated above... epiandro is a DHT so you could see some shedding from it alone.. the other two things in the stack are literally worthless. even worse is the dosing. the genral sweet spot on epi dosing is around 900mgs+ per day

frankly... the epiandro is the only work horse in this stack.. also: 1-4 OHP17beta-({1-ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol) is a 3-4 step PH to EQ. with real injectable EQ users typically use 600-800 mgs per week so if you are taking a 3 step PH dosed @50 mgs per day... you can eat it all day and all night and you are not ever going to get similat effects. you are literally going to get mcg dosing.
 
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"In the past, I used the following product (by Anabolic Warfare) for 8 weeks, twice in my life during 2019. I experienced zero negative side effects though I didn’t notice much gains either."

Yeah no kidding.

"My question: should I use the first product with the E-blocker since I have in the past and experienced no negative side effects, but DOUBLE the dosage? Or should I try this new product"

Out of these two? I say neither. The worthlesness of the second ingridient in the "new product" was well explained above and the Epiandro dose is very low as stated above also. In the first product there's the same issue with dosing and the second ingridient is for lowering cortisol and with enough pills for proper dosing of the Epiandro, you may possibly lower your cortisol too much (basing this only on the fact that in SNS Reduce XT there's a proprietary blend of 50 mg of 7-alpha-hydroxy-DHEA & 7-beta-hydroxy-DHEA in 1 serving).

"Lastly, is there a completely different route you would take?"

You could look into a proper dosed Epiandro product like CEL Stano-Plex 300. Or look into transdermal Epiandro products like Apex Alchemy and Iconic Formulations.

There is the possible hair shedding issue you mentioned, but as stated above it's mostly about genetics.

Oh yeah and no E-blockers needed with these kind of products, even tho the one you posted looks super mild at that. Epiandro is actually antiestrogenic itself.
 
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Btw @Whisky with this pandemic/quarantine stuff going on, I might just go to a hooker for a hug 😄 Well initially for a hug at least.
 
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Btw @Whisky with this pandemic/quarantine stuff going on, I might just go to a hooker for a hug 😄 Well initially for a hug at least.
with the numbers of variants popping up in the uk I don’t think we’ll be able to look out the window for more than an hour a day soon 😂
 
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with the numbers of variants popping up in the uk I don’t think we’ll be able to look out the window for more than an hour a day soon 😂
Yeah I've read that the situation there is pretty bad
 
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Yeah I've read that the situation there is pretty bad
seems never fucking ending bro 🙄 the ole boy who walked up and down his garden to raise money for charity (he raised millions) died from it today as well
 

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