continuous pro hormone cycle

xhexx

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I am considering doing a 2 weeks on 4 weeks off cycle and taking 4 diol in the morning and afternoon on my off weeks. I was wondering if anybody else has tried this or has any advice on doing this or not doing it. I was planning on doing a topical solution of 1-testosterone and 4-androstenediol on my on weeks. I'm not excatly sure of dosages. I've only done a couple of month long cycles of lite oral pro hormones. So, I probally don't need to do a lot. But, my gaining phase is only 2 weeks. The research I did said 400mg topical. Would 200mg 1-test and 200mg 4-diol twice a day be to much. On my off weeks I would like to do 2 doses of around 300mg each of 4-androstenediol (oral). 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. Not taking any at night will hopefully keep my natural test flowing from the research I've done. I plan on doing this for 6 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off and then doing it again. So, let me know what you think. I would also like advice on what oral 4-diol would be best to take?
 
First of all 2 weeks on you will not see much gains. Second using 4ad off even orally will not let you recover. You have no pct which you need in order to get you natural test back up. If you do a 6 week cycle you need atleast 6 weeks to recover before doing it again.
 
Your dosages look OK, but I agree that you will not gain anything o 2 weeks of non methylated PHs. I suggest running 6 weeks continous at a constant dosage. Your biggest gains will be in weeks 3-6, it takes 1-2 weeks to really see much in terms of gains.
 
Actually, I've read about this before. Maybe it was at t-rag. Some people claim that 4-ad in SMALL DOSES doesn't cause a shutdown. I would guess that 600mg per day is not a small enough dose.

Obviously, what you are saying goes WAY against the grain of conventional wisdom, but if you do some research, you might be able to find more info on this. I'm sure it has been done.
 
I'm hoping not have to do pct. The point is that after a 2 week cycle natural production should come back very quickly since the boys won't be shut down for very long. The 4-diol after cycle is suppose to be low enough that it does not cause shut down. They say not to take it at night because it will interfere with the pituitary sending luteinizing hormones to the testicles. SoupBone you are right it is from t-rag but the article was from Bill Roberts. He has a little information on prohormones but most of it is 2 weeks on 4 weeks off with steroids. There is also a case study on this with steroids but not pro hormones. I thought I might give it a try unless I get a lot info that it is stupid.
 
No! All exogenous hormones cause shutdown! The 4ad will keep your natural test supressed while not being sufficent to see gains or even keep what you gained before. If your going to go on forever use test as your base and cycle androgens and expect to never come off and alway be on hrt.
 
xhexx...how do you imagine that you won't have to do any PCT? what scientific studies do you have to prove that natural recovery is possible after continuous cycling, or for that matter one cycle.

sifu is right, these questions are rediculous. while you're at it xhexx, I heard tapering off is the best way to recover faster
 
Why are people trying to avoid doing PCT anyway? I just don't get it I guess. If you are going to cycle, do PCT. Simple as that. Unless you like little nuts and a limp one. I didn't think anybody was into that though.

In my opinion, if you aren't disciplined enough to do PCT, then you shouldn't be doing PHs or 'roids in the first place.
 
There is no way you will keep any noticable gains with no PCT after a 4ad cycle. Even small amounts of it will shut you down. 4ad converts to Test. That is like saying small amounts of exogenous test does not affect the HPTA.
 
PCT is always necessary no matter what. no question. even if you think you dont need it. think of it as insurance. if you need it its there, your'e on time "off" anyway. if not than it wont hurt you. but if you want to keep what you worked so hard to gain PCT is necessary
 
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Here is a case study. It is with steroids. I do not think these questions are ridiculous-- if they were I would not be asking them and there would not be a anbolic minds forum. I do appriciate you responding (especially the really great advice on tappering off (I'm not completly stupid)) that is what I am looking for. The case study has one future update that you can clik on at the bottom of the page although it is not totally complete.
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Ummm.... I hope you were joking about taking advice on "tapering"? You don't taper off gear you stop according to whether it is esterified or not. I think Kmac was being sarcastic with you.
 
drei said:
Ummm.... I hope you were joking about taking advice on "tapering"? You don't taper off gear you stop according to whether it is esterified or not. I think Kmac was being sarcastic with you.
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yeah I was being sarcastic back.
 
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Here is a case study. It is with steroids. I do not think these questions are ridiculous-- if they were I would not be asking them and there would not be a anbolic minds forum. I do appriciate you responding (especially the really great advice on tappering off (I'm not completly stupid)) that is what I am looking for. The case study has one future update that you can clik on at the bottom of the page although it is not totally complete.
kmac6225 said:
xhexx...how do you imagine that you won't have to do any PCT? what scientific studies do you have to prove that natural recovery is possible after continuous cycling, or for that matter one cycle.

sifu is right, these questions are rediculous. while you're at it xhexx, I heard tapering off is the best way to recover faster
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Studies don't mean ****, if they don't work in the real world, and any form of bridge or what you are looking for doesn't work. I will waste no more time on this foolishness.

Do as you want, and **** yourself up for all I care.
 
his measurements after 3 weeks are AMAZING...wait me thinks it may the d-bol bloating him up a bit. Why is there no bf% with that update

My last question is with the cycle itself...if Jim was doin a 2 on 4 off cycle then why was he taking dbol and oxandrolone during weeks 3-4?

yes that is a study but its more like a joe schmoe cycle log that you can find here in the Cycle Log forum
 
*sigh*

`nuf said.

ManBeast
 
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