considering 1st cycle... HELP!!!

rnl09

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hey guys,

I'm 21, been working out on and off (on for almost a year now) since i was 14. Last may I was up to about 225 lbs (I'm only 5' 7"). As of around a month ago I was down to about 175. Since I've put on around 10 lbs putting me at about 185. I'm getting back on the cardio and diet, and am looking to loose another 10-20 lbs. My problem is, that even at 175 I still had a good amount of fat on my frame (muscular too, just still a little chubby on top).

Basically my question is regarding a good cutting/fat burning cycle to get on once i lose about 10-15 lbs. I was thinking that once I got into the mid 170's again that I would get on some combination of Winstrol, Anavar, and some form of test. Does everyone think this sounds like a good idea? At 175 id estimate my body fat % at somewhere around 15-20%, and am really just looking to shred the **** out of everything and end up somewhere between 160 and 170.

I'm pretty strong (in my opinion at least) putting up 275 about 5 or 6 times, so although I wouldn't mind blowing up a little bit as well (hence why i was thinking about throwing some test), I'm more concerned with the fat loss/ tightening up.

When I'm really in my training zone I try to hit the gym 6 days a week and put in a good 45 minute run about 5 days a week. I was eating somewhere around 800-1000 calories a day, and it was definitely effective for the original weight loss, but I'm sure that if i were to get on what I'm talking about id need to eat a lot more lean protein ect.

So, like I said, I'm thinking some combination of Winstrol, Anavar, and Test with whatever post cycle/estrogen blockers I would need. Given what I've said about my build/ workout patterns/ experience, what does everyone think?
 
Any advice? I'm more than likely going to need to know what to have my boy put an order in for in the next day or two so any help will be greatly appreciated
 
If you are just looking to loose fat i would suggest something like Clenbuterol.

If you are set on doing a cycle i suggest you put alot of time into planning it out and doing research on the compounds you are looking to use.

I always think that if you feel you have reached your genetic potential then you should consider performance enhancing drugs.

That also seems like a big first cycle, most (at least I) start with a one-two compound cycle, most run one compound solo, like the anavar, or maybe just the test e and winny.
 
since you are 21, I don't think you could afford Anavar

but go with a PH first, Epi-Strong

I would never do Clen and T3 due to sides and messing with thyroid because I'm an ectomorph anyways and I can lose weight so easy

but if you do wanna do Clen or T3, make sure you run it with AAS because u will lose some musclemass
 
Test shouldn't even be a question. Every cycle should include test. I hear guys saying they run prop during cuts because it cuts down bloat, but honestly I think it's bs (or atleast exaggerated).

Anavar is fairly weak and very expensive at the doses required to get much out of it. I'd run test enanthate or cypionate at 3-500mg. Lower dose will obviously give you less bloat but if you use an AI bloat won't even be a problem. Personally I'd go closer to 500mg a week, split into two injections. What's your cycle history like? If you've run more than one already maybe consider throwing in a small amount of tren. If you're fairly new and don't know how you'll respond to test then go with something like masteron or winstrol. Still it will come down to running a caloric deficit, the anabolics will allow you to maintain your muscle or even gain a bit while the partitioning effects will help you burn more fat. You could even cycle clen at the same time to speed things up.

IMO your best bet would be test + masteron (and clen if you like). Maybe throw in an oral like t-bol for the first few weeks just to get things going while you're waiting for the test to kick in. And of course you will be using an AI, and a solid pct. That should be more than enough for an awesome cut.

Also definitely lower your bf% a bit before you start. Having too much bodyfat will cause you to aromatize more causing more side effects. Get down between 10 and 15, as you get lower that's when the anabolics will really help. Dropping from 20-15% is easy, 15-10 a bit more difficult, but around 10% and below is when things really get difficult.
 
^ yea man, Test is Test... Just run Arimidex and the water is pissed out. That's why I only do Test E, Test P is a pain in the ass and it hurts more
 
Markusrulezzz said:
^ yea man, Test is Test... Just run Arimidex and the water is pissed out. That's why I only do Test E, Test P is a pain in the ass and it hurts more
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Yeah that's why I don't really get why so many guys use it for cut cycles. If you enjoy feeling like you got kicked by a horse every few days be my guest lol. I can understand using it for the first two or three weeks just to get things started rather than using an oral, but to run it all the way seems pretty pointless to me.
 
yea but even that, I rather do Sust lol ! Testp, you gotta inject everyday, some people say EOD but No, that's if you can't do everyday

most pros run either Test E or sust, mostly Sust tho
 
yeah but sust still should be pinned every 3 days at least, otherwise the short esters will cause all kinds of fluctuations. And if you pin it that often you end up with the long esters building up so its very hard to know exactly how much test you have in your system. Of course you can get great results with sust but personally I'd stick with one long ester so you can keep good track of exactly how much test you're on. Just my .02, obviously everyone will have their preference/


To Op, I think you could have a pretty good cut with just test, if you'd like to keep it simple. Mast or winny or something else that doesn't aromatize would be a nice addition. I've heard of guys getting very dry joints with winny though, plus it's a methyl so running it for very long isn't really reccomended. Never ran mast but I hear great things about it, if you can find it. EQ would also be good but again it's weak and takes a long time to get much out of it, price would end up being pretty high.
 
You better run HCG with your test and go with Nolva 40 40 20 20 and torem 90 90 60 30

@ Digital, how about Tren E vs Tren A ? which one you like better ?
 
Ok so based on what everyone said I'm gna get down to like 170to 175 and run winstrol and sust with nolva? And corrctions?
 
rnl09 said:
@DigitalAsh..... what ptc would u suggest if I just do a winstrol+test cycle?
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Depends on how much you wanna spend really. Minimum I'd say nolva 30/30/20/20. Clomid is supposedly slightly better for stimulating LH but I don't think it makes a huge difference. If money's not an issue then you might want to go with clomid 100/75/50/50 and aromasin 12.5mg every day. There's still no definitive answer on nolva or clomid, each forum seems to advocate something different. Clomid also comes with alot more side effects, vision problems (usually only while it's being used) and mood swings seem to be the most common. Aromasin can be used with either because it decreases estrogen and stimulates LH (hormone that makes you produce test), and since it's a "suicidal aromatase inhibitor" it won't cause an estrogen rebound the way letro and arimidex do. Sry for the long answer but pct is still under alot of debate. Also some advocate nolva at higher dosages, but the studies I've read say that nolva has almost the same effect at 10mg as at 30, though sticking on the high side isn't a bad idea. Also keep in mind you shouldn't start your pct for two weeks or so after your last injection, enanthate takes quite a while to clear and if your levels are still above normal no amount of pct is going to bring your natural production back.

Markusrulezzz said:
You better run HCG with your test and go with Nolva 40 40 20 20 and torem 90 90 60 30

@ Digital, how about Tren E vs Tren A ? which one you like better ?
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Yeah I've never used hcg but I also haven't run any really harsh compounds yet. It certainly couldn't hurt though. Again, never used torem either, but I do hear that it's better than nolva or clomid, though studies are somewhat limited and its a good deal more expensive. Haven't used tren yet as I'm somewhat worried about the side effects, most likely will be part of my next cycle though. Ace is more popular but IMO tren is tren. I'll be going with enanthate just to avoid pinning all the time, I don't really mind waiting a while for it to kick in. Better to just mix your test and tren and pin twice a week than have to do test and then pin your tren EOD.

rnl09 said:
Ok so based on what everyone said I'm gna get down to like 170to 175 and run winstrol and sust with nolva? And corrctions?
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Sust vs. enanthate or cypionate is really up to you. I like enanthate better just because you're gonna have to pin sust just as frequently and E will keep your blood levels more stable. Again winstrol is up to you, I've avoided it just because it's not really a very strong compound, you can't run it very long due to it being methylated, and it tends to dry out people's joints pretty bad. Masteron is the **** though, more bang for your buck and you can run it for much longer. Alot of it is just personal preference, I'm sure you'll have a good time with either
 
I ended up getting 100 anavar 10mg tabs and a 10cc of primobolon 100. I ws thinking doing 1 cc of the primo every 5 days and 2 anavar tabs a day. Is there a better way to run it? Getting more inst an option so I planned on running both for 7 weeks but if anyone has any other suggestions I would really appreciate it. I'm starting tomorrow and am just looking for some guidence in how exactly I should space everything out to get the best results.
 
??? Hate to keep bumping this but I'm really completely clueless about how to specifically go about this. It all wasn't cheap, and I definitely can't get more so id just like to get the most out of it whether its uping the doses and doing 5 weeks or lowering them and going longer. As of now I was going to take 1 anavar tab twice a day before workouts and a 1cc primo injection every 5 days which would run me 7 weeks. What does everyone think?? Also I'm going to continue taking lipodrene w ephedra extract and dieting.
 
Var would need to be at 50mg and run for 8 weeks. Primo I am less sure on, but I think dosing runs around 400-500mg/week. Either way you will need more than what you have to run a decent cycle I think.
 
I realise in a perfect world I might want more but this is what I have for now. Is it not going to be enough to get any results? I've never taken anything before so I'm hoping my body will respond even though its lower doses. I'm sort of leaning towards 1.5 cc. Each injection every 5 days for 35 days and then 2 anavar tabs a day running me 49 days total. Please I would love any kind of constructive advice about how exactly to go about this. Thanks in advance!!
 
Any advice guys? I really could use some guidance!.... do I NEED to get another 10cc of the primo to get any gains from it combined with the anavar? money is pretty tight so getting more really isn't an option if people think that this cycle will be a good starter for me but if its really THAT necessary to get more primo I could try to srape together a couple hundred to get another 10cc's rather than having the entire cycle be a waste. Please let me know what you guys all think!!! Thanks so much
 
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