Composition changes in a 24 hour period?

[AnthroLats]

I know that this is definitely overthinking and overcomplicating matters, but I like the science so bear with me.

Generally when I see people talking about recomps, or caloric intake for that matter, gain or loss is always deferred to the daily intake, or sometimes even the weekly. I've seen many opinions state that its your total caloric intake for the week that will determine your composition changes, and many also state that you can't burn fat and build muscle in a 24 hour period. My question is, why not?

Lets assume the following hypothetical day.

8AM: Wake up, take some supplements. ECA, Alpha-Y, Forskolin, and maybe something else synergistic
8:30AM: Fasted cardio for 30 minutes

At this point, from the low insulin levels combined with stims and the supposed forskolin synergy, I would assume my body is in tip top shape for some lipolytic action to happen.

Then lets say I fast for a while longer.

2:00PM: Hit the gym, maybe sip some BCAAs prior/during
3:30-11PM: Eat 500-800 calories over maintenance with 40/40/20 macro intake
12PM: Sleep

Under these circumstances, would:
A. The fat you "burned" in the morning be long gone, and the post workout meal be more beneficial to helping recovery and build muscle
B. The fat you "burned" in the morning effectively come back due to the overfeeding.

I guess what I'm trying to find out is, if or how does the whole "fat coming back" process work during the time that you eat. Say if I were to eat at maintenance, by standard logic, all of the calories I ate would simply come back as fat negating the morning cardio, without any actual change in composition.

I'm speaking all in theoreticals here, any opinions are greatly appreciated, but please refrain from telling me I'm overthinking it, because I'm already well aware of that.

 

[baxtecal]

Way over thinking it man... Lol. Anyways it can't be option B because your eating at maintenance and you doing cardio and lifting on top of that therefore your body would and can build muscle and burn fat in a 24 hour period if you eat right, but I think a better option would be (which is what I do): Rather than worrying about daily fat burn look at it as weekly/monthly fat burn / gains. For instance, I have a week or 2 where I eat at about 2,500 cals and no carbs, high fat and high protein (fat loss). Then after I'm totally depleted I carb up for about 2 weeks to a month at about 3,200-3,500 calories, lowish fat, high carb and moderate protein (muscle gain). Has worked for me with staying lean and gaining muscle!

 

[AnthroLats]

I appreciate the input, but I'm more concerned with the bodily processes that happen that facilitate both fat loss and/or muscle gain in a 24 hour period.

Frankly, I do follow an approach more like the norm where I do readjust based on a more monthly basis and cut/bulk when necessary, but I'm just wondering whether my logic is sound or not. Whether its practical is a slightly different question hahaha

 

[baxtecal]

I know that this is definitely overthinking and overcomplicating matters, but I like the science so bear with me.

8AM: Wake up, take some supplements. ECA, Alpha-Y, Forskolin, and maybe something else synergistic
8:30AM: Fasted cardio for 30 minutes

At this point, from the low insulin levels combined with stims and the supposed forskolin synergy, I would assume my body is in tip top shape for some lipolytic action to happen.

Then lets say I fast for a while longer.

2:00PM: Hit the gym, maybe sip some BCAAs prior/during
3:30-11PM: Eat 500-800 calories over maintenance with 40/40/20 macro intake
12PM: Sleep

Under these circumstances, would:
A. The fat you "burned" in the morning be long gone, and the post workout meal be more beneficial to helping recovery and build muscle
B. The fat you "burned" in the morning effectively come back due to the overfeeding.

I guess what I'm trying to find out is, if or how does the whole "fat coming back" process work during the time that you eat. Say if I were to eat at maintenance, by standard logic, all of the calories I ate would simply come back as fat negating the morning cardio, without any actual change in composition.

I appreciate the input, but I'm more concerned with the bodily processes that happen that facilitate both fat loss and/or muscle gain in a 24 hour period.

Frankly, I do follow an approach more like the norm where I do readjust based on a more monthly basis and cut/bulk when necessary, but I'm just wondering whether my logic is sound or not. Whether its practical is a slightly different question hahaha

yes i would say you logic is sound, i followed a protocol like it when i did "traditional" lean bulking i guess you'd say. but i would: wake up, HIIT cardio first thing, eat mega breakfast and carbs, then do whatever, eat PWO meal, workout - (i wouldnt workout until atleast 4 hrs after cardio, and this totally changed my composition, i looked way more anabolic, and utilized / stored carbs way better.
i Definatly think your logic is sound, and works. Aswell as helping you stay lean while adding muscle. this type of diet is what i was following in my avatar picture. which was over a year ago..

 

[Jakethaniel]

I would reduce the feeding window to max ~5 hours and reduce the calories over maintenance to 300-500 over. You are still overall going to prefer to be losing weight scale wise as apposed to gaining, I guess the goal being stagnant weight with composition changes. So you would need to adjust this surplus as time goes on towards not losing more than .5 pounds a week and not gaining more than .1 pounds a week.

You would definitely want some sort of nutrient partitioning supplement. St. John's Wort has been show to reduce insulin sensitivity in fat cells making it work perfectly. Maybe also ALA, I have not tried it, but it is supposed to increase muscle cell insulin sensitivity which is exactly what you want.
During the fast also throw down some Leucine.

As well, you would want to throw in some work for the muscles hit that day during your feeding window to keep muscle cell insulin sensitivity peaked. Just stuff like pullups, pushups, or bw squats. Your feeding window should be right after your workout, but I still think it would be a good idea to pump some blood into the muscles during that time. Do not push yourself, but maybe get a slight pump if possible. I would do these after the second and fourth hour.

Overall I think it could work, throw up a log if you give it a try.