Yeah that brand did take a good bashing on that thread but to be honest I don't think it's right that they name there products after steroids like díanabol, anavar and 1-test and there just Andros mixed with other random ingredients like laxogenin etc. To me that's deceit. People that don't do there research fall for it because the don't read the labels and they take advantage of that. Then they find out later on after consulting the boards and normally it's too late because there already half way through the cycle and wondering why there's no gains, flame me if you want but we all know it's true...