bluedevil00
Member
Which one and why, I'm ordering either tonight or tomorrow. Don't want to take chances with all the bs going around about bans. I just can't make up my mind, my source still has clomid but I'm sure I can find nolva
Clomid or nolva for mdrol cycle
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jtcastro1
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Id go with clomid if i had to choose..Alot of people believe SD causes prolactin gyno and nolva isnt good for this reason. i got a case of rebound gyno from mdrol
clomid: 50/50/25/25
aromasin: 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
this is a ideal pct and should prevent rebound gyno and restart hpta fast
clomid: 50/50/25/25
aromasin: 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
this is a ideal pct and should prevent rebound gyno and restart hpta fast
jbryand101b
Banned
i prefer clomid. but it is really all just personal choice.
some like nolva, others like clomid. you'll have to try both to see what you prefer.
nolva is selective to breast tissue, clomid goes everywhere.
some like nolva, others like clomid. you'll have to try both to see what you prefer.
nolva is selective to breast tissue, clomid goes everywhere.
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
what about Torem?
bluedevil00
Member
I'm not familiar with it ? Right now the 3 Im considering for pct are clomid, cel pct, and erase.
And while on cycle cel cycle assist with Hawthorne, milk thistle, animal pak, and flac/fish oil (possibly taurine)
Is there anything else that is necessary?This is my first cycle. Running the mdrol 10,10,20,20 I want to be safe but I also don't want to spend a fortune if I don't have to. I'm very open to suggestions.
And while on cycle cel cycle assist with Hawthorne, milk thistle, animal pak, and flac/fish oil (possibly taurine)
Is there anything else that is necessary?This is my first cycle. Running the mdrol 10,10,20,20 I want to be safe but I also don't want to spend a fortune if I don't have to. I'm very open to suggestions.
bluedevil00
Member
Anyone?
jbryand101b
Banned
everything looks gtg bro, no worries.
I'd add in some sns daa to that.
run the daa/clomid together the first 3 weeks, then add in erase on the 4th week.
pct assist from day one, i like to run it at 6 caps e/d.
I'd add in some sns daa to that.
run the daa/clomid together the first 3 weeks, then add in erase on the 4th week.
pct assist from day one, i like to run it at 6 caps e/d.
bluedevil00
Member
Thanks a lot bro appreciate it
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
DAA = CHEAP and a MUST for recovery in PCT
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
good because i have a huge bottle of it. enough for like 1 3/4 PCT.
What dose did you do/?
bluedevil00
Member
What is the main difference between torem and clomid? What is its chemical name? If you could provide a example pct that would be very helpful.
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
Toremifene Citrate is is more like Tamoxifene Citrate (nolvadex)
This is something i got via google search lol
Fareston
Chemical Name: Toremifene Citrate
Drug Class: Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator
Fareston is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM), not unlike its more popular cousins Nolvadex and Clomid. Just as we see with Nolvadex, Fareston is used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women. It does this by exerting estrogen antagonistic effects in certain tissue, most notably, breast tissue. This is actually the same mechanism of action found in Nolvadex. This is why Nolvadex is often recommended to bodybuilders who are trying to avoid gynocomastia (growth of breast tissue in males). SERMs, in addition, have several other well known effects in men, which are not simply limited to preventing the abnormal growth of breast tissue.
At the hypothalamus and pituitary, estrogen acts in cooperation with the male body’s negative feedback loop to send a signal to decrease the secretion of LH, and when LH secretion is lowered, so are natural testosterone levels. SERMs, like Fareston, possibly act as an estrogen antagonist in the hypothalamus and pituitary, in order to increase testosterone production. Thus, although it hasn’t been studied to any great degree, it’s highly likely that Fareston is capable of increasing testosterone in the same way that Nolvadex it, as it’s androgenicity:estrogenicity ratio is 5x that of Nolvadex(1). It may also be better than Nolvadex for reasons that are of particular interest to steroid using athletes and bodybuilders.
Fareston differs from Nolvadex in several ways, however- even though it’s very similar to it in others. Firstly, the risk of certain side effects (although relatively rare with Nolvadex) is actually quite a bit lower with Fareston.However unlikely these risks are in the first place, the risk of stroke, pulmonary embolism, and cataract is probably lower with Fareston than with Nolvadex. This is going to be of interest to people who have issues with “floaters” in their vision, which is sometimes caused by Nolvadex and Clomid, as this product may represent significantly less occular toxicity. It also differs slightly from Nolvadex in its potent with regards to improving lipid (cholesterol) profiles. In terms of improving bone mineral density, Fareston is roughly equal to Nolvadex.(2)
Although anecdotal evidence on this compound is rare, bodybuilders who have already experimented with this stuff seem satisfied. In my estimation, it would seem to be a more potent and safer alternative to Nolvadex, for those who are worried about side effects. I’m also predicting that it may provide a greater increase in LH and therefore testosterone levels, in men when compared to Nolvadex (when an appropriate dose of each is utilized). This makes its use a strong possibility for PCT in the future, when studies on its ability to elevate testosterone is more fully studied and understood.
Fareston would also make a welcome addition to a cycle where Cholesterol issues may be a concern, or where something slightly stronger than Nolvadex may be required to prevent gyno.
References:
1. Breast Cancer Re Treat. 1990 Aug;16 Suppl:S3-7. Introduction to toremifene. Kangas L.
2. Breast 2006 Apr;15(2):142-57. Epub 2005 Nov 9.Toremifene: An evaluation of its safety profile. Harvey HA, Kimura , MHajba A
This is something i got via google search lol
Fareston
Chemical Name: Toremifene Citrate
Drug Class: Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator
Fareston is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM), not unlike its more popular cousins Nolvadex and Clomid. Just as we see with Nolvadex, Fareston is used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women. It does this by exerting estrogen antagonistic effects in certain tissue, most notably, breast tissue. This is actually the same mechanism of action found in Nolvadex. This is why Nolvadex is often recommended to bodybuilders who are trying to avoid gynocomastia (growth of breast tissue in males). SERMs, in addition, have several other well known effects in men, which are not simply limited to preventing the abnormal growth of breast tissue.
At the hypothalamus and pituitary, estrogen acts in cooperation with the male body’s negative feedback loop to send a signal to decrease the secretion of LH, and when LH secretion is lowered, so are natural testosterone levels. SERMs, like Fareston, possibly act as an estrogen antagonist in the hypothalamus and pituitary, in order to increase testosterone production. Thus, although it hasn’t been studied to any great degree, it’s highly likely that Fareston is capable of increasing testosterone in the same way that Nolvadex it, as it’s androgenicity:estrogenicity ratio is 5x that of Nolvadex(1). It may also be better than Nolvadex for reasons that are of particular interest to steroid using athletes and bodybuilders.
Fareston differs from Nolvadex in several ways, however- even though it’s very similar to it in others. Firstly, the risk of certain side effects (although relatively rare with Nolvadex) is actually quite a bit lower with Fareston.However unlikely these risks are in the first place, the risk of stroke, pulmonary embolism, and cataract is probably lower with Fareston than with Nolvadex. This is going to be of interest to people who have issues with “floaters” in their vision, which is sometimes caused by Nolvadex and Clomid, as this product may represent significantly less occular toxicity. It also differs slightly from Nolvadex in its potent with regards to improving lipid (cholesterol) profiles. In terms of improving bone mineral density, Fareston is roughly equal to Nolvadex.(2)
Although anecdotal evidence on this compound is rare, bodybuilders who have already experimented with this stuff seem satisfied. In my estimation, it would seem to be a more potent and safer alternative to Nolvadex, for those who are worried about side effects. I’m also predicting that it may provide a greater increase in LH and therefore testosterone levels, in men when compared to Nolvadex (when an appropriate dose of each is utilized). This makes its use a strong possibility for PCT in the future, when studies on its ability to elevate testosterone is more fully studied and understood.
Fareston would also make a welcome addition to a cycle where Cholesterol issues may be a concern, or where something slightly stronger than Nolvadex may be required to prevent gyno.
References:
1. Breast Cancer Re Treat. 1990 Aug;16 Suppl:S3-7. Introduction to toremifene. Kangas L.
2. Breast 2006 Apr;15(2):142-57. Epub 2005 Nov 9.Toremifene: An evaluation of its safety profile. Harvey HA, Kimura , MHajba A
bluedevil00
Member
Wow that's awesome information in a very easy to read way!! Thanks a lot man!! I will be looking into a source that offers torem
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
ima give it a try as well after D-zine 30/30/30/45/45 i figured ill be shutdown pretty hard. ima do 90/60/60/30
Beast Sports
New member
bigwhiteguy29 said:
Just go 30mgs for 6 weeks on dzine; little to no sides (i didnt get shut down at all), but 45 started to suck-very achy joints and groggy as hell
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
hmm well i have thought about this because i like to be "on" longer. do you still get gains or do you taper off? do you think i would yeild more gains from 45mg in the later weeks or not?
Beast Sports
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bigwhiteguy29 said:
Honestly I saw no difference other than the sides after bumping it to 45mgs/day. Gains didnt taper at all and still made gains into pct (nolva+triazole). Around 25 lbs gained eating only 2700 cals
bigwhiteguy29
Well-known member
Honestly I saw no difference other than the sides after bumping it to 45mgs/day. Gains didnt taper at all and still made gains into pct (nolva+triazole). Around 25 lbs gained eating only 2700 cals
dude you are getting me excited. My past cycles have been:
1. Epi 20/30/30/40
2. Hdrol 50/50/75/75/75/100
3. Pmag 50/75/75/100/100/100 furuza 150/200/250/300/300/350
My question is do you think D-zine at 30mg will be stronger than these and yield more gains? I am really thinking of just doing 30mgs now. Now that I think I didnt make much gains on the higher doses anyways.