Clen!!!

BigMattTx

BigMattTx

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I am currently on a Prostanozol/Mega-TRN cycle. Heres the layout.

Weeks 1-3 Prostanozol 150mg
Weeks 4-5 Prostanozol 150mg / Mega-TRN 2mg
Weeks 5-7 Prostanozol 150mg / Mega-TRN 4mg
PCT - 4 weeks with Nolva, Liver Support, Sesamin, CEE, Saw Palmetto

I just started my first day of TRN at 4mg so Im right around the begginning of week 5.

I was planning on doing a NHA stack shortly after PCT is done but I was also thinking of running 2 weeks of low dosed clen (<100mcg). I'm wondering where the best place to fit this in would be? Should I run it during my cycle?
 
If I were to run clen I would do it with some kind of anabolic compound to preserve muscle loss. But I have never run clen, someone who has might have better advice.
 
max-rot98 said:
If I were to run clen I would do it with some kind of anabolic compound to preserve muscle loss. But I have never run clen, someone who has might have better advice.
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clen is anti-catabolic. it is USED to prevent muscle loss.

use clen during PCT for a cycle like that.

are you just trying to lose fat?
 
same_old said:
clen is anti-catabolic. it is USED to prevent muscle loss.

use clen during post cycle therapy for a cycle like that.

are you just trying to lose fat?
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As far as I know this is still strongly debated. I haven't done clen and for that that matter don't know a ton about it. But there still seems to be no definitive answer on it being anabolic in humans. Therefore as I said before "if it were me" I would run it with an anabolic compound to preserve muscle loss like most people do, just in case.
 
I got my clen in yesterday. I sware, the stuff doesnt seem as potent as I remember (when taking tabs: spiropent)
Anyone else feel that their liquid clen is watered down a bit too much?

I also picked up (the name escapes me at the moment) something to upreg my receptors, its a histamine blocker,.. AH- I'll remember whats is called in a little. That stuff apparently works, as Im feeling the effects now.


Clen should be anti-catabolic, just as albuterol, and t osome degree ephedrine.
 
xtraflossy said:
I got my clen in yesterday. I sware, the stuff doesnt seem as potent as I remember (when taking tabs: spiropent)
Anyone else feel that their liquid clen is watered down a bit too much?

I also picked up (the name escapes me at the moment) something to upreg my receptors, its a histamine blocker,.. AH- I'll remember whats is called in a little. That stuff apparently works, as Im feeling the effects now.


Clen should be anti-catabolic, just as albuterol, and t osome degree ephedrine.
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Diphenhydramine HCL - this stuff 'floss? The active in Nytol and some other sleeping aids.
 
xtraflossy said:
I got my clen in yesterday. I sware, the stuff doesnt seem as potent as I remember (when taking tabs: spiropent)
Anyone else feel that their liquid clen is watered down a bit too much?

I also picked up (the name escapes me at the moment) something to upreg my receptors, its a histamine blocker,.. AH- I'll remember whats is called in a little. That stuff apparently works, as Im feeling the effects now.


Clen should be anti-catabolic, just as albuterol, and t osome degree ephedrine.
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liquid clen from IBE is very potent. cant speak for any others.

i've used clen several times, and i ALWAYS feel full and strong, even when on a dramatic calorie deficit or taking T3 (or both)...i've used T3 with SD before and it sucked balls - weak and tired and deflated...but with clen, all the muscle sticks around.

sh1t, they use it for people with muscle-wasting diseases. max-rot98 what did you hear differently?? i know i could find clinical studies...

ketotifen is the anti-H, extraflossy.

and albuterol and ephedrine have never been proven to be anti-catabolic...but i reckon that is on account of nobody ever running that study. i'm on albuterol now (been using it off and on since last year...not to pat my own back but i was one of the guys who reintroduced the idea of albuterol for fat loss early last year - it had all but died in most circles)
 
thanks for all the replies guys. I am still debating on running it or not but if I do it will most likely be with PCT.

I have heard of people using benadryl (I believe) every night to refresh receptors. Is there any truth to this?
 
same_old said:
liquid clen from IBE is very potent. cant speak for any others.

i've used clen several times, and i ALWAYS feel full and strong, even when on a dramatic calorie deficit or taking T3 (or both)...i've used T3 with superdrol before and it sucked balls - weak and tired and deflated...but with clen, all the muscle sticks around.

sh1t, they use it for people with muscle-wasting diseases. max-rot98 what did you hear differently?? i know i could find clinical studies...

ketotifen is the anti-H, extraflossy.

and albuterol and ephedrine have never been proven to be anti-catabolic...but i reckon that is on account of nobody ever running that study. i'm on albuterol now (been using it off and on since last year...not to pat my own back but i was one of the guys who reintroduced the idea of albuterol for fat loss early last year - it had all but died in most circles)
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I have no studies proving/disproving either. I saw you posted some in the ibe section. Just that alot of studies showed clen had some anabolic effect in rats but that it wasn't possible for it to have the same effect in humans.

Not saying you are wrong, but I never thought this theory was confirmed at least in humans. And as I said before I am really not up to date on clen because I have no intention of running it. But if I did run it I, like I said before I would run some kind of anabolic compound to preserve muscle tissue just in case. Nothing drastic.

BTW did you run something with the clen or was it a standalone?
 
If it has any anti-catabolism, it is pretty weak and shortlived. The way I picture it, clens effects outside of the beta 3 upregulation, the increase in heart rate is like doing mild cardio all day and night.

I do think Clen has a pretty short shelf life though. My batch from IBE that I got 1.5 years ago seems very weak now. Before it was quite potent and I have not used it for a year. I am 140mcg now at only 4 days in..that's a record dose for me and I'm not feeling it too much. Not shaky yet.
 
max-rot98 said:
I have no studies proving/disproving either. I saw you posted some in the ibe section. Just that alot of studies showed clen had some anabolic effect in rats but that it wasn't possible for it to have the same effect in humans.

Not saying you are wrong, but I never thought this theory was confirmed at least in humans. And as I said before I am really not up to date on clen because I have no intention of running it. But if I did run it I, like I said before I would run some kind of anabolic compound to preserve muscle tissue just in case. Nothing drastic.

BTW did you run something with the clen or was it a standalone?
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so...you are confused then, right? i am not asserting that clen is anabolic like it is in pigs and rats, just that it is anti-catabolic, which has been proven clinically and empirically.

i've run clen solo, with T3, and with anabolics.
 
same_old said:
so...you are confused then, right? i am not asserting that clen is anabolic like it is in pigs and rats, just that it is anti-catabolic, which has been proven clinically and empirically.

i've run clen solo, with T3, and with anabolics.
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This is pretty much what I've come to conclude. Its more anti-catabolic than ananbolic. I'll see if I can pull up some studies.
 
Here's a study that I found on horses:

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The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of therapeutic levels of clenbuterol, with and without exercise training, on body composition. Twenty-three unfit Standardbred mares were divided into four experimental groups: clenbuterol (2.4 µg/kg body wt twice daily) plus exercise (ClenEx; 20 min at 50% maximal oxygen consumption 3days/wk; n = 6), clenbuterol only (Clen; n = 6), exercise only (Ex; n = 5), and control (Con; n = 6). Rump fat thickness was measured at 2-wk intervals by using B-mode ultrasound, and percent body fat (%fat) was calculated by using previously published methods. For Ex, body fat decreased (P < 0.05) at week 4 (Invalid Link Removed9.3%), %fat at week 6 (Invalid Link Removed6.9%), and fat-free mass (FFM) increased (P < 0.05) at week 8 (+3.2%). On the other hand, Clen had significant changes in %fat (Invalid Link Removed15.4%), fat mass (Invalid Link Removed14.7%), and FFM (+4.3%) at week 2. ClenEx had significant decreases in %fat (Invalid Link Removed17.6%) and fat mass (Invalid Link Removed19.5%) at week 2, which was similar to Clen; however, this group had a different FFM response, which significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6. Con showed no changes (P > 0.05) in any variable at any time. These results suggest that exercise training and clenbuterol have additive effects with respect to %fat and fat mass but antagonistic effects in terms of FFM. Furthermore, chronic clenbuterol administration causes significant repartitioning in the horse, even when administered in therapeutic doses.

The article also actually touches on the downregulation on the effects of clen at about the 2 week mark.
 
same_old said:
liquid clen from IBE is very potent. cant speak for any others.

i've used clen several times, and i ALWAYS feel full and strong, even when on a dramatic calorie deficit or taking T3 (or both)...i've used T3 with superdrol before and it sucked balls - weak and tired and deflated...but with clen, all the muscle sticks around.

sh1t, they use it for people with muscle-wasting diseases. max-rot98 what did you hear differently?? i know i could find clinical studies...

ketotifen is the anti-H, extraflossy.

and albuterol and ephedrine have never been proven to be anti-catabolic...but i reckon that is on account of nobody ever running that study. i'm on albuterol now (been using it off and on since last year...not to pat my own back but i was one of the guys who reintroduced the idea of albuterol for fat loss early last year - it had all but died in most circles)
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There we go!! (sorry, its been a really rough day)
Ketotifen!!
Yes, my Clen was IBE. I havent decided yet if its the product, or just my tolerence to ephedra, but 125mcg didnt get me jacked up much if at all. I mean, they have done me NO wrong before
 
So do you guys think I should run the clen while on cycle or with PCT?

Also, cant you take benadryl or something at night to refresh the receptors?
 
I'd use it for PCT. It could lead to elevated BP on cycle..plus it's just better during PCT, IMO.
 
I usually wait til about a week into PCT. I do this because I normally only use it for @ 2 weeks and never went the benedryl or ketofen route. Thats must me though. :D
 
I find Clen especially useful in the second half of the PCT. It improves my appetite dramatically so it gets easier to keep the weight. Starting at 60-80 mcgs tapering up to 160 mcgs everyday has worked very well for me for two weeks.
 
I also believe that Clen is anti-catabolic. I felt full during my cut and strength was good, all of this being on a pretty good caloric defecit.

Unfortunately, for me, the stuff I have is extremely potent - or maybe it is my sensitivity to it. I've dosed as low as 30mcg and had prominent sides, mostly shakes and hard heartbeat 12 hours later when I tried to fall asleep. If clen's half life was 8 hours that would be phenominal but it's not....The stuff stay in my sytem for at least 30 hours (known Half-Life is 36 hours, I think).

I plan on using it trans. Anyone have any success turning their liquid solution into an effective trans solution? I figure it would take a lot of liquid to make anything effective. In this case powder would be ideal but that I do not have.
 
Apollo 13 said:
don't plan to take this stuff but are you suppose to take it every 36 hours then?
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clen has a biphasic half life i believe. first is like 10h and the second is 36h (IIRC)...doesnt mean you dose once every 1.5 days, just that one dose is typically enough to last you all day. i have trouble sleeping if i split my doses and take a dose after 3PM. benadryl/ketotifen are great because not only do they (purportedly) refresh receptors but they KNOCK YOU OUT.

oh and dont start @ 60mcg. start at 20mcg and work up. if you arent shaking and wired by noon, take another 20mcg.
 
same_old said:
clen has a biphasic half life i believe. first is like 10h and the second is 36h (IIRC)...doesnt mean you dose once every 1.5 days, just that one dose is typically enough to last you all day. i have trouble sleeping if i split my doses and take a dose after 3PM. benadryl/ketotifen are great because not only do they (purportedly) refresh receptors but they KNOCK YOU OUT.

oh and dont start @ 60mcg. start at 20mcg and work up. if you arent shaking and wired by noon, take another 20mcg.
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:thumbsup: Thats good advice. Start out real low, and be weary of upping your dose in large amounts, even if you arent feeling the effects, because all the doses add up over time with the half life being what it is.
 
good info...thanks for the replies. In light of this info, I will run clen starting somewhere around day 7-12 of PCT.

Is benadryl really necessary to refresh receptors for a 2 week cycle or does it just aid with sleep problems?
 
A little bit of both. I've never used it, but alot of people have with good results in both aspects. If stims tend to hold you back from falling asleep, then its probably not a bad idea to take some at night.
 
I normally dont have trouble sleeping. Since Im running it for just 2 weeks, I think I will just take the clen and see how it pans out.
 
MattHines said:
I normally dont have trouble sleeping. Since Im running it for just 2 weeks, I think I will just take the clen and see how it pans out.
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Thats what I have done in the past, and it has worked just fine for me that way. :D
 
Rage - just put the desired amount of Clen into the Lipoderm (or whatever you were planning on using). Yeah, powder would be better - but I would not screw around with clen powder.

I'll never use clen orally again - transdermal for my last bottle of Aqua Chem...
 
I suspect that just as different people respond dramaticly to low doses in terms of side effects, other people probably will perceive an anabolic experience. Somehow I doubt that any legitamate human studies will ever be pursued. Certainly, it is dangerous enough that if everyone was convinced that it would give an anabolic effect, some geniuses would keep increasing their doses trying to attain that effect, and quite possibly end up doing some serious damage to themselves. Especially the under 21 crowd. What a mess that would be.
 
whoever the douchebag was who neg-repped me and said:

"CLEN IS PROVEN TO BE CATABOLIC IN HUMANS! POST ONLY FACTS."

please, post those studies. thanks.
 
same_old said:
so...you are confused then, right? i am not asserting that clen is anabolic like it is in pigs and rats, just that it is anti-catabolic, which has been proven clinically and empirically.

i've run clen solo, with T3, and with anabolics.
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How were your results combining clen with T3? I've ran clen solo before. I'm prepping for a show pretty soon and I'll be trying the clen/T3 combo to help with those last few pounds.
 
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