Clen/T3 before or with Superdrol? (first cycle)

pr0g

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Hey guys, looking to start my first superdrol cycle, but as I have a high ~16-17% bf I'm wondering if I should do a clen/t3 cycle before, or If I should just stack it with superdrol?

I've been reading that you shouldn't take T3 without an anabolic as it is very catabolic, and that clen and T3 stack very well, so shouldn't the superdrol fit in just as well? I don't want to do the T3/Clen cycle during my PCT as it seems counter-productive.

So should I use Clen/T3 before or during my superdrol cycle?
 
Just my .02 most may not agree but I'd say cut for a few weeks with just clen before sdrol...if you do it while on sdrol your bp may go way out of control plus sdrol is for bulking....I'd say cut down first with just clen don't use t3 it has a bad rap for eating muscle....stack it with Ketoifen for better results....the reason I'd cut before a ph is when your leaner you notice results more but like I said that's just my opinion bro
 
PHs suppress T3 on cycle. Id say supplementing on cycle would be beneficial regardless as it may help keep things normal instead if suppressed. I have done it and it seems to help with lethargy.

I agree with above not using clen with sd for blood pressure reasons. Run it first or wait until your bf is lower.
 
Okay well that makes sense, thank you for the information. Could I just monitor my blood pressure and if It was rising too high then stop taking the clen? Shouldn't I still burn fat while putting on lean mass since I'm taking the superdrol for lean muscle and T3/Clen to burn some fat?

I guess my question is, will the superdrol be less effective if I have a higher bf%? Or will I get the same results from the clen/t3/superdrol stack (assuming BP isn't too high) then if I used clen first then t3/superdrol?

I'm sorry if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, but it's what I've gathered from reading so many different opinions one each compound, there's so much information out there- I don't know what to believe.
 
wk 1-4 clen, calorie deficit, cardio (fatloss)
wk 5-8 SD, T3, calorie maintenance/surplus, (bulk)
wk 9-12 clen, calorie maintenance (fatloss, maintain gains[depending on if you believe in clen as an anti-catabolic])

Pretty badass cut->bulk->recomp

I'll be running an expanded version of this soon. Can't wait.
 
rambofireball said:
wk 1-4 clen, calorie deficit, cardio (fatloss)
wk 5-8 SD, T3, calorie maintenance/surplus, (bulk)
wk 9-12 clen, calorie maintenance (fatloss, maintain gains[depending on if you believe in clen as an anti-catabolic])

Pretty badass cut->bulk->recomp

I'll be running an expanded version of this soon. Can't wait.
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I wouldn't personally run Clen in with PCT.
 
Axillist said:
I wouldn't personally run Clen in with PCT.
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I would not want to either, or "cut" in PCT.

personally man, while I think SD can be used with clen/t3 for your purposes because of your BF% I would try and get leaner first.

Hope on ECA stack or clen solo, get leaner, then jump on SD for a nice quick bulk.
 
EArch said:
I would not want to either, or "cut" in PCT.

personally man, while I think SD can be used with clen/t3 for your purposes because of your BF% I would try and get leaner first.

Hope on ECA stack or clen solo, get leaner, then jump on SD for a nice quick bulk.
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Either of you mind expanding on that? My purpose in using it would not be to 'cut' so much as mild recomp while leveling endogenous hormones, preventing (to some extent) loss of gains. Please point out any flaws in the approach.
 
PCT is for getting your endogenous hormone production back into homeostasis. That is the purpose of PCT.PCT isn't for recomp. It's hard to get back into your body's natural state while continuing to add potent exogenous substances.
 
you could just run a DS that might have a lesser impact on blood pressure. if you ran tren/dzine for 6 weeks you could use clen and T3. monitor your blood pressure while on cycle. then save the SD for a nice bulk in a few months. u can always drop the clen if your blood pressure is to high. load up on larger doses of hawthron berrys and celerey seed extract drink lots of water.
 
EArch said:
I would not want to either, or "cut" in PCT.

personally man, while I think SD can be used with clen/t3 for your purposes because of your BF% I would try and get leaner first.

Hope on ECA stack or clen solo, get leaner, then jump on SD for a nice quick bulk.
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This^^^
I finished a EPI cycle a lil while ago and I'm gonna start a cut next month (8 weeks out of pct) After my cut is down to low bf and my body is begging for the size back I'm lean bulking with SD.
Cut first then run SD. My blood pressure goes way up with SD as does my cholesterol. SD is so dry anyway just keep your diet clean as a whistle and high calories throughout and into pct. Creatine during pct is a must for me. Make up for the lack of glycogen storage that goes when the SD goes.
 
Axillist said:
PCT is for getting your endogenous hormone production back into homeostasis. That is the purpose of PCT.PCT isn't for recomp. It's hard to get back into your body's natural state while continuing to add potent exogenous substances.
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Some would argue that the use of clen during a pct period is positive as it can help to keep the fat off while maintaining an on cycle or slightly sub-cycle calorie intake. This would lend towards keeping a larger percentage of gains while your body is revamping it's test. I agree that using such a powerful substance during pct could be risky in regards to gains retention and reaching homeostasis, but as far as I can find, there is no known connection between B2-adrenoceptor agonist use and test levels. However, it has been shown (yes in mice and at huge doses, which may not carry over to humans) to extremely increase IGF-1 levels (110%) when coupled with calorie restriction, which is a factor in the purported extra nitrogen retention seen with B2 agonist use.(*1) Obviously I'm not advocating for a calorie deficit in pct, but it's reasonable to say that a similar/maybe diminished result would come from a maintenance or surplus level of calories. Most arguments I've come across against clen in pct is a, "doesn't sound good" sort of thing, which holds little credit in my eyes, but if you have more to back it up I'd love to learn something new.

I personally stick with Albuterol for the lesser sides, but if someone is a clen die-hard, I think it's reasonable to say that using it at an appropriate dose during pct or shortly there after would most likely be beneficial in attaining the ultimate goal of more muscle and less fat.

(*1) jas . fass . org/content/76/4/1012.full.pdf

some other discussions on the subject with pro/anti arguments (just a google search):
bodybuildingdungeon . com/forums/steroids/37557-clen-pct.html
bodybuildingdungeon . com/forums/steroids/36344-clenbuterol-pct.html
thinksteroids . com/forum/steroid-forum/clenbuterols-affect-natural-testosterone-134236507.html
 
Would taking T3 and Superdrol together, then saving the clen for a different cut cycle still be beneficial and a viable combination? Is superdrol strong enough to counter the catabolic effects of T3?
 
pr0g said:
Would taking T3 and Superdrol together, then saving the clen for a different cut cycle still be beneficial and a viable combination? Is superdrol strong enough to counter the catabolic effects of T3?
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I'd say that's a totally reasonable plan. You might want to watch out for your heart though, or just keep the t3 to a moderate dose. Something like 25-50mcg (I think people on average produce 25mcg/day?). It has been speculated that a low dose t3 while on anabolics can actually increase muscle gain, supposedly giving an increase in metabolism to allow the anabolics to do what they do at a faster rate. Not sure on the logic, science, or real world results on that one though.
 
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