Clen Prop stack or Havoc

[Brandon 04]

Hey, just doing research for a down the road cycle. i dont drink, or eat shitty i am lean but want to drop just a little bit and get dryer gains. I have been working out for a year and a bit very serious and am a trainer. just want input here guys, thanks.

 

[Dagron]

Clen and test prop would kick in faster and of course the test would work to bind to AR in fat and thus help to burn it easier than Epi would, but then it's highly dose dependant, too; ie more is better. It's also highly likely that you would see some modest strength and size gains even in a slight caloric defecit. Epistane however would be a lot cheaper and still has some very real leaning and hardening effects.

You could get more specific recommendations if you give us a brief synopsis of cycle experience and if you've ever tried clen before, your hypothetical length of cycle, and your dosing for the two cycles.

 

[mark118]

What does AR mean? in the context of fat.

thanks!

 

[happytimes40]

Havoc

Are you aware what Havoc is? I have Mr. Llewellyn's book Anabolics, (9th ed.) Havoc(methepitiostane) is a powerful oral anabolic steroid that was never approved for human use. It is a c-17-alpha alkylated analog of epitiostane. It is quite toxic to the liver. It was first studied in the 1960's , but forgotten until 2006 , when a new company called Recomp performance nutrition introduced it to the market under the trade name Havoc. An effective dosage is 10 to 20 mg. daily and never taken for more than 6 weeks to avoid serious liver problems. While regulations do exist that would prohibit the sale of an unapproved new drug as a food supplement, they do not carry the same weight as the anabolic steroid laws and have not been aggressively enforced. That is how this company has been able to market this powerful drug.

 

[Brandon 04]

great info guys thanks! so the clen road would be cleaner and more efficient. i would run a 4 week cycle, then follow it with nolva for pct and, if havoc, lotsa milk thistle. im going to be making enough money to support the clen prop stack so i geuss thats probably the road to take. im still curious about havoc though. in a sense of toxicity is it much more harsh then Methyl 1 test ?