Class I and II steroids, science fiction or real life impact ?

[pocketboy]

Dear fellows;

I have been doing some research about possibly "stacks". According to Bill Robert, there are two classes of AAS : Class I and II (listed below).
It is said that the best is to stack Class I and II, which yield to a synergy. It is also said that stacking 2 class I or 2 class II would lead to a "receptor competition" which yield to waste of compound, thus waste of effects.

As we all are aware of, Designer Steroids are just steroids that are not classified as illegal yet. But none of you can argue about the fact that Superdrol is a 100% potent steroid . This phenomenon made me think that we can also classified PH's in those two categories, and I found this :




Class I : binds to androgen receptor

AAS :

Trenbolone
Oxandrolone
Primobolan
Masteron
Nandrolone
Boldenone

PH's :

Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone ) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Dienolone based - (again similar to tren ) - Mdien
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
Testosterone
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

Class II : Does not bind to androgen receptor

AAS:

Dianabol
Anadrol
Winstrol (possibly somewhat mixed)

PH's

Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone) based - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone ) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
Winstrol (stanozolol ) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
4-AD



Mixed

Testosterone
Probably Oral Turinabol , but I haven't done adequate trials with it.





. Now, here is the ratio anabolic / androgenic of compounds :


Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic

1-Testosterone --------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone )--50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
Anadur (Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
Anavar (Oxandrolone )-------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
Andriol (Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
Androderm(Testosterone )---------------100------100
Androgel (Testosterone )------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone )--------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
Deca -Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
Dianabol (Methandrostenolone )-----------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
Durabolin (NPP)----------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate )---------37------125
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
Laurabolin (Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200
Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate )-----25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenedi ol)-------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone ---------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
Methyltestosterone -------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone )-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen (Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
Nilevar (Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren (Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol ------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
Parabolan (Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
Primobolan (Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate )-44-57------88
Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
Proviron (Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate )--20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------20------400
Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate /Cypionate /Propionate /Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
Winstrol (Stanozolol )---------------------------30------320


My problem is now :

1) Would it be best to stack two compounds that have the highest ratio anabolic / androgenic and are from different class ? (both of the compound are very high anabolic and low androgenic, one is Class I and one is Class II)

2) Or is it best to stack two compounds that would lead to the best androgenic / anabolic balance and are from different class ? (one which is really androgenic, and one which is really anabolic).



PS : I am not the one who "invented" the class at all or the ratio, I've just found that in various website.

 

[jbryand101b]

this question has already been answered on this forum, numerous times in the past, please research before posting.

does not bind to the androgen receptor? that is the most retarded thing i've heard. what idiot would think such a thing. it's an androgen.

 

[ManBeast]

Anabolics elicit more growth, while Androgens elicit more strength/hardness/etc. (in general). The compounds used depend on the goals for the cycle.

ManBeast

 

[pocketboy]

Thanks, so for fat loss and lean mass, do you think that stacking androgen and anabolics is a good way ?

Also, I don't really understand if the best is to stack the highest androgens stack with the highest anabolics, or to stack both highest anabolics but which are from different class ?

And do you think that this "class I and II" stack is really different from stacking 2 class I (to your experience) ?

 

[ManBeast]

I haven't heard of much stacking of say deca and tren, but I have heard of bold and tren being stacked. Usually you don't stack any of the three you have in the AAS section of two due to hepatoxicity issues.

ManBeast

 

[jbryand101b]

Anabolics elicit more growth, while Androgens elicit more strength/hardness/etc. (in general). The compounds used depend on the goals for the cycle.

ManBeast

all androgenic/anabolic steroids are anabolic/androgenic. some more than others.

op is stuck on this class 1 class 2 thing but there is no class 1 or class 2 anabolic steroids.

there is a science to stacking compounds, but it has nothing to do with class 1 or class 2.

it has to do with does one steroid have properties that will compliment the other. (for the most part)

 

[ManBeast]

OP is just parroting Bill Roberts but that info was under heavy fire years ago if I remember right.

ManBeast

 

[jbryand101b]

OP is just parroting Bill Roberts but that info was under heavy fire years ago if I remember right.

ManBeast

you remember correctly.

 

[zombiekilla]

Sorry for gravedigging.. but if your still here jbry, could you further explain this please? are you saying all compounds attach to the androgen receptors.. just some more than others?

 

[TeamTGB]

Sorry for gravedigging.. but if your still here jbry, could you further explain this please? are you saying all compounds attach to the androgen receptors.. just some more than others?

Yes all '' androgens'' attach to an androgen receptor it is just that some have a higher binding affinity, while others like dianabol which might not bind as efficiently causes growth through other pathways such as igf or estrogen, yes estrogen is anabolic lol

 

[TeamTGB]

jbryand101b Do you have any additional input :study:

 

[jbryand101b]

jbryand101b Do you have any additional input :study:

No, that's a good short and simple explanation.