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What sides do you get from cjc?

I've tried 3 different brands of cjc till now. From two of them I got the same sides; right after I pin (1 to 3mg's) I got severe "hypoglicemia", hunger and lethargy. From the 3rd brand I didn't get any sides.

Now, the hunger from cjc isn't the same as from ghrp2/6/mk677. Those are more similar to classic hunger. The hunger from cjc is more like low blood sugar hunger. I've tried eating right after but the hunger doesn't really go away to a large extent - you keep eating but the feeling doesn't go away. And the hypo feeling isn't like normal hypo; where your head gets all cloudy and dumb and you start shaking and having low blood pressure. It's more like lethargy coupled with need for energy. It's a weird feeling and the only time I can pin this is before bed. If I pin it during the day I'm useless.

Does anybody else get similar sides from cjc and/or also maybe from ipamorelin or hex? At first I thought there might be slin in those vials, but I kinda doubt that and am leaning more towards some kind of insulin resistance due to GH release or something.
 
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What sides do you get from cjc?

I've tried 3 different brands of cjc till now. From two of them I got the same sides; right after I pin (1 to 3mg's) I got severe "hypoglicemia", hunger and lethargy. From the 3rd brand I didn't get any sides.

Now, the hunger from cjc isn't the same as from ghrp2/6/mk677. Those are more similar to classic hunger. The hunger from cjc is more like low blood sugar hunger. I've tried eating right after but the hunger doesn't really go away to a large extent - you keep eating but the feeling doesn't go away. And the hypo feeling isn't like normal hypo; where your head gets all cloudy and dumb and you start shaking and having low blood pressure. It's more like lethargy coupled with need for energy. It's a weird feeling and the only time I can pin this is before bed. If I pin it during the day I'm useless.

Does anybody else get similar sides from cjc and/or also maybe from ipamorelin or hex? At first I thought there might be slin in those vials, but I kinda doubt that and am leaning more towards some kind of insulin resistance due to GH release or something.
Due to the long pulses. Have you tried modGRF? That would be combined with GHRP or Ipamorelin, and provide a single large pulse. Short half life. So you don't get blood sugar sides. Perhaps you can include Berberine, and see if that helps you.
 
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Due to the long pulses. Have you tried modGRF? That would be combined with GHRP or Ipamorelin, and provide a single large pulse. Short half life. So you don't get blood sugar sides. Perhaps you can include Berberine, and see if that helps you.
Have tried and am using it at the moment. Though I don't think it's really necessary if you are already using cjc. It's good combined with a ghrp, I agree, but pining 3 to 5 times a day is to much. And you don't elevate IGF1 with it as much as you do with higher cjc dosages.

Did you try cjc, did you get the same sides?
 
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Have tried and am using it at the moment. Though I don't think it's really necessary if you are already using cjc. It's good combined with a ghrp, I agree, but pining 3 to 5 times a day is to much. And you don't elevate IGF1 with it as much as you do with higher cjc dosages.

Did you try cjc, did you get the same sides?
I never tried the long acting CJC. I did pin GHRP2 and modGRF twice a day. And that combo was significantly better than MK677 daily at 25mg. Was fearful of the sides from the long acting CJC, but have been curious about it
 

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What sides do you get from cjc?

I've tried 3 different brands of cjc till now. From two of them I got the same sides; right after I pin (1 to 3mg's) I got severe "hypoglicemia", hunger and lethargy. From the 3rd brand I didn't get any sides.

Now, the hunger from cjc isn't the same as from ghrp2/6/mk677. Those are more similar to classic hunger. The hunger from cjc is more like low blood sugar hunger. I've tried eating right after but the hunger doesn't really go away to a large extent - you keep eating but the feeling doesn't go away. And the hypo feeling isn't like normal hypo; where your head gets all cloudy and dumb and you start shaking and having low blood pressure. It's more like lethargy coupled with need for energy. It's a weird feeling and the only time I can pin this is before bed. If I pin it during the day I'm useless.

Does anybody else get similar sides from cjc and/or also maybe from ipamorelin or hex? At first I thought there might be slin in those vials, but I kinda doubt that and am leaning more towards some kind of insulin resistance due to GH release or something.
to be honest bro I’ve used a lot of cjc (and hex and ipam) and never had those sides.....but I also take metformin and berberine daily so not sure if that plays a role in avoiding any insulin resistance based side......

the only time I ever get slightly hypo is after fasted cardio when I dose my berberine and metformin before I eat (I eat straight after and it’s fine).
 
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to be honest bro I’ve used a lot of cjc (and hex and ipam) and never had those sides.....but I also take metformin and berberine daily so not sure if that plays a role in avoiding any insulin resistance based side......

the only time I ever get slightly hypo is after fasted cardio when I dose my berberine and metformin before I eat (I eat straight after and it’s fine).
Metformin and berberine are both excellent at making one insulin sensitive
 
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to be honest bro I’ve used a lot of cjc (and hex and ipam) and never had those sides.....but I also take metformin and berberine daily so not sure if that plays a role in avoiding any insulin resistance based side......

the only time I ever get slightly hypo is after fasted cardio when I dose my berberine and metformin before I eat (I eat straight after and it’s fine).
Hm thanks for sharin bro! How sure are you of your sources and how much cjc have you dosed in one pin?
 

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Hm thanks for sharin bro! How sure are you of your sources and how much cjc have you dosed in one pin?
I source direct from China and whilst I’ve never tested I did have a mate use the ghrp2 from the same source with very obvious sides.

it also seems to work but whilst I think it’s legit and it’s doing what I expect I can’t say for sure bro.

I dose cjc at 2mg a time twice a week
 

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Hmm you guys dont seem to get much out of mk677.

Like i said...i need to test my igf so that i can say for certain...but for sure, mk677 really helps me lose fat, and i havent been in a caloric deficit for a long time...i dont really think some crazy expensive peptide combo would do much more

I get all the symptoms of higher igf...blood sugar drops, lethargy

Crazy vivid dreams

I truly believe i am a good responder to mk
 

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Hmm you guys dont seem to get much out of mk677.

Like i said...i need to test my igf so that i can say for certain...but for sure, mk677 really helps me lose fat, and i havent been in a caloric deficit for a long time...i dont really think some crazy expensive peptide combo would do much more

I get all the symptoms of higher igf...blood sugar drops, lethargy

Crazy vivid dreams

I truly believe i am a good responder to mk
I once dreamt I was getting touched up (on the ass) by a dog in a rucksack being worn by some girl stood next to me at a bar a few days after starting mk.

true story
 
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Hmm you guys dont seem to get much out of mk677.

Like i said...i need to test my igf so that i can say for certain...but for sure, mk677 really helps me lose fat, and i havent been in a caloric deficit for a long time...i dont really think some crazy expensive peptide combo would do much more

I get all the symptoms of higher igf...blood sugar drops, lethargy

Crazy vivid dreams

I truly believe i am a good responder to mk
You can get GHRP2 and modGRF for between 40 and 50 dollars total for 4 to 6 weeks worth, and it absolutely does provide greater GH pulses than MK677; that will also result in higher IGF.
 

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You can get GHRP2 and modGRF for between 40 and 50 dollars total for 4 to 6 weeks worth, and it absolutely does provide greater GH pulses than MK677; that will also result in higher IGF.
its definitely a more cost effective option (and depending on which side of the pulse vs sustained release/bleed fence you sit could be better) but studies have shown 4mg per week cjc dac plus mk delivering the equivalent of 4-6iu hgh ed......

my personal view is see what delivers for you personally and adjust accordingly to budget (none of this **** delivers enough to spend money you don’t have on it imo).

I actually like ipam for that reason, it’s cheap and can be run for a long time with no desensitisation (unlike next). I use ipam for a month or two to give the wallet a break
 
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its definitely a more cost effective option (and depending on which side of the pulse vs sustained release/bleed fence you sit could be better) but studies have shown 4mg per week cjc dac plus mk delivering the equivalent of 4-6iu hgh ed......

my personal view is see what delivers for you personally and adjust accordingly to budget (none of this **** delivers enough to spend money you don’t have on it imo).

I actually like ipam for that reason, it’s cheap and can be run for a long time with no desensitisation (unlike next). I use ipam for a month or two to give the wallet a break
How is the risk for the much GH for a 2 month run? For a CJC/MK stack
 
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I source direct from China and whilst I’ve never tested I did have a mate use the ghrp2 from the same source with very obvious sides.

it also seems to work but whilst I think it’s legit and it’s doing what I expect I can’t say for sure bro.

I dose cjc at 2mg a time twice a week
Yeah, ghrp2 and 6 are the most easy to gauge if they are legit or not : )

Idk, it's disconcernig hearing that you don't get any of the sides from cjc that I mentioned. I'm going to do bloods this or the next week and see for my self.

How much are you paying for cjc? I'm getting it for 25€ / 5mg. Bio-peptide.
 

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I once dreamt I was getting touched up (on the ass) by a dog in a rucksack being worn by some girl stood next to me at a bar a few days after starting mk.

true story
Yeah..talk about crazy dreams on mk...they seem to be even crazier than from melatonin

Mine always involve some fantasy (like monsters and such) or extraterrestrial creatures when on mk or melatonin...

when i am not on anything i usually dream about combat or warfare




on a side note, i was eyeing it up and i feel like mk/cjc dac stack would be best aside from higher dose gh

but damn cjc is so expensive.
 

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Because I buy in bulk I get the cjc dac at $8.50 per 2mg vial (before shipping).

mk I paid about $180 for enough raw powder to do 18 months at 20mg a day so roughly $10 a month (but there’s some extra cost in the equipment to make the liquid)

best guess inc shipping and extras is that 4mg a week cjc plus mk costs me about $100 a month to run.
 
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to be fair Chinese gh isn’t that much more but I’m not 100% sure on Chinese gh, don’t see peptides as being quite as risky
I'm more or less talking about the risk of sustained GH release from DAC.
 
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Mk also carries this issue, it gives constant pulses

but since it only works for about 24 hpurs its very easy to give your body a break
From what I have seen, there is no GH bleed with MK. I'll have to find where I saw that, and link it.
 

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From what I have seen, there is no GH bleed with MK. I'll have to find where I saw that, and link it.
Oh no, i didnt think bleed. Mk produces pulses over the 24 hour period, and even that, some contemplate, may make it more susceptible to cuasing insulin resistance then injectale ghrp's which are short acting.


Mk, imho, really is special in some ways. Its an oral, plus it doesnt need to be refrigerated, which means it is easy to carry around etc, no pins...
In my mind those are its biggest strongpoints and ehile it may not be the strongest of the bunch, it stands out above others in that regard.
 
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Oh no, i didnt think bleed. Mk produces pulses over the 24 hour period, and even that, some contemplate, may make it more susceptible to cuasing insulin resistance then injectale ghrp's which are short acting.


Mk, imho, really is special in some ways. Its an oral, plus it doesnt need to be refrigerated, which means it is easy to carry around etc, no pins...
In my mind those are its biggest strongpoints and ehile it may not be the strongest of the bunch, it stands out above others in that regard.
Right, it's very convenient and has its place for sure. It's effective and can put one on the upper end of the IGF scale by itself.
 

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From what I have seen, there is no GH bleed with MK. I'll have to find where I saw that, and link it.
if I understand it right it’s cjc dac that causes the gh bleed (hence why some prefer no dac) but there’s arguments on both sides as to whether that ‘bleed’ is even a negative?
 
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Because I buy in bulk I get the cjc dac at $8.50 per 2mg vial (before shipping).
Ok, that is similar to what I'm paying, a bit less. You never had problems with customs? Here it's quite risky lrdering from china.
 

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Ok, that is similar to what I'm paying, a bit less. You never had problems with customs? Here it's quite risky lrdering from china.
i haven’t thus far. I guess my bulk buy is still small (bout $2,000 a time)
 

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What are you guys dosing schedule for the week?
lol, there’s few at the moment so I sometimes forget but it’s meant to be

hex 400mcg pwo Ed
Mk 20mg ed
Cjc dac 2mg monday 2mg thursday
Hcg 250 iu Monday and Thursday
Bpc 800mcg ed
Tb500 2.5mg Monday and Thursday

I do Monday snd Thursday simply as that’s when I pin test cyp (either trt or blast amount) so easier to just get everything out and and pin party. If it happens to fall on a tren/mast pin day as well then my gym starts to resemble a hospital 🤣
 
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i haven’t thus far. I guess my bulk buy is still small (bout $2,000 a time)
Heh, that's a big order. I got sent something really small once, not gear, and it got opened by customs. I don't know ...

8.5$ per vial sounds nice, so it might be worth the risk.

Who else uses peps here? @Alchemist11 do I remember correctly; you talking about em once? Anybody else?
 
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hex 400mcg pwo Ed
Mk 20mg ed
Cjc dac 2mg monday 2mg thursday
Hcg 250 iu Monday and Thursday
Bpc 800mcg ed
Tb500 2.5mg Monday and Thursday
lol you went all out huh XD

I'm 1mg cjc eod, which accumulates to 60mcg/kg for me, and 500 mcg ipamorelin before bed and 150 mcg ghrp2/modgrf in the morning which I combine with ipamorelin if I'm feeling I want to be tired for the first half of the day. Otherwise it's just ghrp mod combo.

Hex pwo must be a pain. Do you even have energy to move a finger lawl
 
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I'm convinced. Will try 1mg DAC a week with MK677. Something to run before I start my SD/DMZ
 
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That dose wont do much. Get up to 60 mcg per kg of body weight to see IGF1 between 250 - 300.
And that's how much should be ran per week? 60mcg times weight in KG?
 
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So in reality, if one wants to use the DAC version, they should buy bulk quantity.
Yes. You need a lot of it. 10 to 20mg's a month. I'm paying app 75€ for 60mcg/kg. Add mk to it and your IGF1 should rise to around 400.
 
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Heh, that's a big order. I got sent something really small once, not gear, and it got opened by customs. I don't know ...

8.5$ per vial sounds nice, so it might be worth the risk.

Who else uses peps here? @Alchemist11 do I remember correctly; you talking about em once? Anybody else?
Yup, I went around 2.5 mg per week, apetite, strength, recovery and mass was really good. Since I've used it during quarantine with my cave man set up with stone and concrete weigths, results were good, and with regular gym, it would be even better.
But, I've listened few podcasts with Ben Pakulsky and Jean-Francois Tremblay. The man explained that mod-grf (cjc no DAC) is better option than cjc DAC if you want to use it for longer period of time. Also, I'm currently on high dose of Ghrp 6 with Cjc DAC. And one more thing, I did every day, microdosing it, not just two times per week.
 

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lol, there’s few at the moment so I sometimes forget but it’s meant to be

hex 400mcg pwo Ed
Mk 20mg ed
Cjc dac 2mg monday 2mg thursday
Hcg 250 iu Monday and Thursday
Bpc 800mcg ed
Tb500 2.5mg Monday and Thursday

I do Monday snd Thursday simply as that’s when I pin test cyp (either trt or blast amount) so easier to just get everything out and and pin party. If it happens to fall on a tren/mast pin day as well then my gym starts to resemble a hospital 🤣
I dream of the day, and it is going to come, when i am going to be alternating between 25mg of mk677 on off days and 4 iu of gh on workout days.

Plus some test and tren of course 😀
 

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lol you went all out huh XD

I'm 1mg cjc eod, which accumulates to 60mcg/kg for me, and 500 mcg ipamorelin before bed and 150 mcg ghrp2/modgrf in the morning which I combine with ipamorelin if I'm feeling I want to be tired for the first half of the day. Otherwise it's just ghrp mod combo.

Hex pwo must be a pain. Do you even have energy to move a finger lawl
to be honest bro I’m deep in my cut and basically only existing on caffeine at the moment anyway so the hex is fine 🤣🤣

I also think (for me anyway) that there’s a placebo effect pinning anything pwo. Even cyp or whatever else I’m running that I know has no kick in within the next few hours just the act of pinning makes me feel more on it.

I recall someone on here saying they had a training partner who used to stab themselves with an empty needle for the same reason (I’m not that bad though 😂)
 
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Yup, I went around 2.5 mg per week, apetite, strength, recovery and mass was really good. Since I've used it during quarantine with my cave man set up with stone and concrete weigths, results were good, and with regular gym, it would be even better.
But, I've listened few podcasts with Ben Pakulsky and Jean-Francois Tremblay. The man explained that mod-grf (cjc no DAC) is better option than cjc DAC if you want to use it for longer period of time. Also, I'm currently on high dose of Ghrp 6 with Cjc DAC. And one more thing, I did every day, microdosing it, not just two times per week.
Actually listened to that yesterday. Really good.
 
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I weigh about 230...planned on running ipa and cjac. How much do you think I should pin a week and what is best protocol? Getting my budget together
 
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Yup, I went around 2.5 mg per week, apetite, strength, recovery and mass was really good. Since I've used it during quarantine with my cave man set up with stone and concrete weigths, results were good, and with regular gym, it would be even better.
But, I've listened few podcasts with Ben Pakulsky and Jean-Francois Tremblay. The man explained that mod-grf (cjc no DAC) is better option than cjc DAC if you want to use it for longer period of time. Also, I'm currently on high dose of Ghrp 6 with Cjc DAC. And one more thing, I did every day, microdosing it, not just two times per week.
You noticed increased appetite with cjc? Then that's similar to me. If you dosed ed that means the doses have not been large enough to experience what I did, but if you experienced an increase in hunger, then that does point in the same direction, i guess ....

tnx for the link

Did you do any bloods?
 
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I'll run 1.25mg for 4 weeks, with 30mg MK. Let you know the effects. I'll have to find a bulk source if I will run like 4mg a week.
 
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The amounts you guys are running where can fella get it in bulk at good quality
 
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The amounts you guys are running where can fella get it in bulk at good quality?
 

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The amounts you guys are running where can fella get it in bulk at good quality?
virtually all peptides come from China, that’s where you’ll get the best price. I use alibaba and look for a company with 5 yrs plus trading, verified status and plenty of volume - about the best you can do on due diligence imo
 
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You noticed increased appetite with cjc? Then that's similar to me. If you dosed ed that means the doses have not been large enough to experience what I did, but if you experienced an increase in hunger, then that does point in the same direction, i guess ....

tnx for the link

Did you do any bloods?
It wasn't the best time to do the bloods since my country was in police hour for days at the time. Only thing I could do is eat, rest and workout lol
 
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if I understand it right it’s cjc dac that causes the gh bleed (hence why some prefer no dac) but there’s arguments on both sides as to whether that ‘bleed’ is even a negative?
What's "GH Bleed"?

Yes. Here:

Looks like according to that chart you should be injecting 250mcg. But I guess that's cost prohibitive?

Also just to clear up any misconceptions, I recently was flipping through Anabolics 11th Edition and read the following:

Note: The research designation for this compound is CJC-1295. Its structure includes a drug affinity complex (DAC). Likewise, referring to this as "CJC-1295 with DAC" is incorrect. All CJC-1295 has DAC. CJC-1295 without DAC is the drug Mod GRF 1-29.
Side effects (Impaired glucose tolerance):

This drug may impair glucose tolerance and raise blood sugar levels. This may occur in individuals without preexisting diabetes or impaired glucose tolerance.
So, it sounds like you should buy a blood glucose meter and be checking your blood glucose regularly. I have no idea what you do if your blood sugar gets too high, but that was just a concern mentioned in the book.
 

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