sickofboss
New member
Hi folks,
I have been lurking on the bodybuilding.com and anabolicminds forum for a while now to find more
information regarding HRT.
I think you guys seem to be quite knowledgeable in this department and hopefully someone can offer some advice.
I have been strugglying real bad with my health for the last 2years now and have
remained house bound for the whole 2 years straight(No social life at all)
I think its due to the amount of straight brandy I use to drink when I was 17-19 plus
taking 12 grams of Yang herbs like Yohimbe, Deer Antler, Horny Goat Weed, Tribulus, Mucuna Pruriens Seeds, Maca, Avena Sativa, Panax Ginseng, American Ginseng,Epimedium brevicornium, Nettle Root, Mexican Wild Yam and some more
inc a prohormone in DHEA 30-60 mg. I took these supplements everyday since 16 to 20.(I can list all the herbs and the exact dosage of each herb if required)
From age 16-21 I was always around 140-147 bls and at 21 my weight went from 140-147
to 185-190 in 6-8 months yet my diet was still execelent and the same and was still training just about every day until I reached the 13 stone mark then started to feel my energy wasnt the same as before.
The symptoms i had and still have are :
Anxiety, increased blood pressure, hypertension, kidney pain attacks,headaches/
sexual migraines, restless leg/arm/neck syndrome, heart beating problems, Tight chest and throat,
Chronic fatigue, high blood pressure, decreased
libdo, decreased sperm quantity and many more
My Bp has improved though since i spent over 3k in yin herbs to reduce it from
100/180 to 100/120. Anxiety, heart palpitations, kidney pain and tight chest pain, Chronic fatigues
has improved in the last few months.
Had went to see 3 different doctors about these problems.
I had printed out all the herbs i had taking in the exact dosage and also 3 pages of emails I had from an Endocrinologist from the States for the Doctors.
I suggested a full hormonal blood test to the Dr which i got back in 06 March/April. However the Doc
didnt test FH.LH Estrogen and total test. He said FH, LH and estrogen are female hormones and is not required for my tests .... sure ok
The doctors over here in Scotland are pretty **** at dealing with these types of
problems. Not one of them had any experiences with these types of problems and had
never heard of it before. They hadnt seen the herbs before as well. What great help ..
So they had reffered me to an Endo back in March/Aprl 06 and they said it could take 6
months for an appointment.
By that time my condition had gotten so bad I had needed around 12-16 hours sleep every
second night due to chronic migraines and exhaustion. I would end up napping 2-3
times a day and especially after having dinner. Was only aged 22 during all this but felt like 80.
Also my anxiety got so bad I wouldnt step out the house and was literaly scared to
see people cause I couldnt verbally socialise at all with anyone.Hypertension got real bad as well especially in the neck, facial, jaw area not good for socialising. Had no energy whatsoever.
So i noticed after 6 months the Endo didnt get back to me but since i was so fwocked
up I just left it and tried to go the herbal way. Spent over 3k and it helped me
with the anxiety and bp and the over heated body temperature and a little with the
exhaustion.
So after around 10 months of taking yin herbs, it got to a point that there was no
more progress so i went of them since they were costing me like 200-350 pounds a month as well.
Next I tried 6-oxo +Zma since I stumbled apon
Bodybuilding .com. I was convinced I had decreased my test levels due to taking so
much Yang herbs in my teens plus the Dhea. I think it must of shut down my natural test production since my teenage body was using test from these herbs and dhea instead of producing it naturally.
I never wanted to take any kind of drug to get my health back since i always wanted to do
it naturally and would never take medicine but it only helped so much so i decided I would try a product that
could help start natural production of T.
I found when i was 6-oxo +Zma my recovery+Sleep was much better in my workouts plus my
Bench,Squat,dead had all increased each at least 20kg in 2 weeks. I started to notice a little bit of strength.
However the libido got worse during the last 3 weeks of the 6 week oxo cycle and plus the last 2 weeks before the oxo and 2 weeks after the oxo the fatigue got back to its worst but in a rollercoster type of way , one day i would feel energy and the next it would be totally down again and then repeat of the same.
So from this little experiment I was pretty sure my hormones were messed up.
oh i forgot to mention test results last year
Aged 22 at the time.
Free test came back at 18 (12 - 40)
Prolacton 308 (<<400)
Cortisol was 418(No scale) and SHGB was fine at 18
FAI 127.8 (36.0-156.0)
The docs said these are all in range so iam fine. IDIOTS !!
Iam pretty sure my total test was very low say 400-500
and my LH and FSH is probably right at the bottom of the scales due to my very low
ejaculation frequenzy at once every 7-10 days.
From aged 12-19 my ejaculation frequenzy
was once-twice a day. My balls were bigger than they were now when i was 16-18.
So atm Im waiting to see an endo and neurologist but my gp says it again
it can take a few months ... By the time i see them i will be in my death bed ... or maybe waking up in heaven
However from reading these forums Iam pretty sure these specialists
in Scotland are light years behind the Americans so was thinking of
paying the 300 bucks for a phone consulation with Dr Crisler.
Have already emailed Kim a few times and waiting for the replies
and have filled in the medical history form. Iam not sure about the blood testing though would i need to get a full hormonal blood test from my gp to pass on the results to Dr Crisler ?
I have just started Androgel at 5gb a day on my 3rd day and increased
it to 10gm to test it out today. Iam using it with DMSO since it gives a 30-50% increase of absorbtion.
I have noticed the benefits already, I feel like i want to talk more
voice seems clearer and stronger, much more calmer , energy maybe bit better
and yes ejaculation went from once every 7-10 days to twice in 3 days. So its a good start already but will see how I get on the next 2 weeks at 5gm a day.
For the first time in 2 years I have told my cousin and my sister a little of what iam going through and why Im in the house for 2 years. They thought i was enjoying staying in everyday during my primes years of 21-23 LOL
Although the price of ANdrogel is abit expensive like 200 pounds a month
and so i was thinking of buying some shots and some hcg from steroidshop net
From reading the posts about the 24 year old with low test problems i think I should start of with
150-200mg of Testosterone cypionate a week plus say 250 iu a day of HCG to keep the balls producing naturally. Maybe some Novaldex incase of some increasing estrogen levels.
What do you think ?
Theres no way Iam waiting for these free local endo to get back to me before I take my own action since I know these guys can take many months for an appointment and there probably going to do the blood test as a scale factor and not an individual factor.
Iam also thinking the chronic sexual migraines i get after each ejaculation that can last 48 hours could be from an abnormal pituary gland in my brain so I have managed to get to get an appointment with the Neurogist for a MRI, CT and Cat scans.
Iam pretty sure Iam going to order the Cyp test shots and the hcg but just wanted your opinions first.
Just to give you an idea of how my health was before since its not like i had these problems all my life not even close.
Before these health problems occured I had started amatuer boxing from 16 -18 training twice a day.Lifted weights on the same days i would box. Had a few amatuer fights here and there.
Dance in the clubs from 12-3am and stay out till 6am and wake up at 12 midday with no hangovers dispite drinking 1/2-3/4 litres of Xo brandy plus some aftershocks and tequilas and then hit the gym and rinse and repeat for 2-3 years. Had awesome recovery powers and could drink quite abit for a 140-147 pounder and being Chinese as well.
Yes i find its true that Chinese folks cannot drink that well, my ole mates would have a few pints of beer or maybe a few vodka and redbulls and that was them on wobbly legs :toofunny:
I guess those Yang herbs must of helped to keep me going and then ended up burning myself out big time.
A good question i have is if taking say 200mg of Cyp Test plus 250iu of HCG every day, whats the chances of this shutting down my natural test production totally ? I guess not much since HCG is there to keep the ole balls naturally producing ?
If i had to choose to prefer free test for training or test for libido its training all day every day for me but both would be awesome
If you have some time guys i hope you can get back to me with your good advice and if you have some endo, hormonal anti aging books you would suggest please let me know.
Thank you very much.
I have been lurking on the bodybuilding.com and anabolicminds forum for a while now to find more
information regarding HRT.
I think you guys seem to be quite knowledgeable in this department and hopefully someone can offer some advice.
I have been strugglying real bad with my health for the last 2years now and have
remained house bound for the whole 2 years straight(No social life at all)
I think its due to the amount of straight brandy I use to drink when I was 17-19 plus
taking 12 grams of Yang herbs like Yohimbe, Deer Antler, Horny Goat Weed, Tribulus, Mucuna Pruriens Seeds, Maca, Avena Sativa, Panax Ginseng, American Ginseng,Epimedium brevicornium, Nettle Root, Mexican Wild Yam and some more
inc a prohormone in DHEA 30-60 mg. I took these supplements everyday since 16 to 20.(I can list all the herbs and the exact dosage of each herb if required)
From age 16-21 I was always around 140-147 bls and at 21 my weight went from 140-147
to 185-190 in 6-8 months yet my diet was still execelent and the same and was still training just about every day until I reached the 13 stone mark then started to feel my energy wasnt the same as before.
The symptoms i had and still have are :
Anxiety, increased blood pressure, hypertension, kidney pain attacks,headaches/
sexual migraines, restless leg/arm/neck syndrome, heart beating problems, Tight chest and throat,
Chronic fatigue, high blood pressure, decreased
libdo, decreased sperm quantity and many more
My Bp has improved though since i spent over 3k in yin herbs to reduce it from
100/180 to 100/120. Anxiety, heart palpitations, kidney pain and tight chest pain, Chronic fatigues
has improved in the last few months.
Had went to see 3 different doctors about these problems.
I had printed out all the herbs i had taking in the exact dosage and also 3 pages of emails I had from an Endocrinologist from the States for the Doctors.
I suggested a full hormonal blood test to the Dr which i got back in 06 March/April. However the Doc
didnt test FH.LH Estrogen and total test. He said FH, LH and estrogen are female hormones and is not required for my tests .... sure ok
The doctors over here in Scotland are pretty **** at dealing with these types of
problems. Not one of them had any experiences with these types of problems and had
never heard of it before. They hadnt seen the herbs before as well. What great help ..
So they had reffered me to an Endo back in March/Aprl 06 and they said it could take 6
months for an appointment.
By that time my condition had gotten so bad I had needed around 12-16 hours sleep every
second night due to chronic migraines and exhaustion. I would end up napping 2-3
times a day and especially after having dinner. Was only aged 22 during all this but felt like 80.
Also my anxiety got so bad I wouldnt step out the house and was literaly scared to
see people cause I couldnt verbally socialise at all with anyone.Hypertension got real bad as well especially in the neck, facial, jaw area not good for socialising. Had no energy whatsoever.
So i noticed after 6 months the Endo didnt get back to me but since i was so fwocked
up I just left it and tried to go the herbal way. Spent over 3k and it helped me
with the anxiety and bp and the over heated body temperature and a little with the
exhaustion.
So after around 10 months of taking yin herbs, it got to a point that there was no
more progress so i went of them since they were costing me like 200-350 pounds a month as well.
Next I tried 6-oxo +Zma since I stumbled apon
Bodybuilding .com. I was convinced I had decreased my test levels due to taking so
much Yang herbs in my teens plus the Dhea. I think it must of shut down my natural test production since my teenage body was using test from these herbs and dhea instead of producing it naturally.
I never wanted to take any kind of drug to get my health back since i always wanted to do
it naturally and would never take medicine but it only helped so much so i decided I would try a product that
could help start natural production of T.
I found when i was 6-oxo +Zma my recovery+Sleep was much better in my workouts plus my
Bench,Squat,dead had all increased each at least 20kg in 2 weeks. I started to notice a little bit of strength.
However the libido got worse during the last 3 weeks of the 6 week oxo cycle and plus the last 2 weeks before the oxo and 2 weeks after the oxo the fatigue got back to its worst but in a rollercoster type of way , one day i would feel energy and the next it would be totally down again and then repeat of the same.
So from this little experiment I was pretty sure my hormones were messed up.
oh i forgot to mention test results last year
Aged 22 at the time.
Free test came back at 18 (12 - 40)
Prolacton 308 (<<400)
Cortisol was 418(No scale) and SHGB was fine at 18
FAI 127.8 (36.0-156.0)
The docs said these are all in range so iam fine. IDIOTS !!
Iam pretty sure my total test was very low say 400-500
and my LH and FSH is probably right at the bottom of the scales due to my very low
ejaculation frequenzy at once every 7-10 days.
From aged 12-19 my ejaculation frequenzy
was once-twice a day. My balls were bigger than they were now when i was 16-18.
So atm Im waiting to see an endo and neurologist but my gp says it again
it can take a few months ... By the time i see them i will be in my death bed ... or maybe waking up in heaven
However from reading these forums Iam pretty sure these specialists
in Scotland are light years behind the Americans so was thinking of
paying the 300 bucks for a phone consulation with Dr Crisler.
Have already emailed Kim a few times and waiting for the replies
and have filled in the medical history form. Iam not sure about the blood testing though would i need to get a full hormonal blood test from my gp to pass on the results to Dr Crisler ?
I have just started Androgel at 5gb a day on my 3rd day and increased
it to 10gm to test it out today. Iam using it with DMSO since it gives a 30-50% increase of absorbtion.
I have noticed the benefits already, I feel like i want to talk more
voice seems clearer and stronger, much more calmer , energy maybe bit better
and yes ejaculation went from once every 7-10 days to twice in 3 days. So its a good start already but will see how I get on the next 2 weeks at 5gm a day.
For the first time in 2 years I have told my cousin and my sister a little of what iam going through and why Im in the house for 2 years. They thought i was enjoying staying in everyday during my primes years of 21-23 LOL
Although the price of ANdrogel is abit expensive like 200 pounds a month
and so i was thinking of buying some shots and some hcg from steroidshop net
From reading the posts about the 24 year old with low test problems i think I should start of with
150-200mg of Testosterone cypionate a week plus say 250 iu a day of HCG to keep the balls producing naturally. Maybe some Novaldex incase of some increasing estrogen levels.
What do you think ?
Theres no way Iam waiting for these free local endo to get back to me before I take my own action since I know these guys can take many months for an appointment and there probably going to do the blood test as a scale factor and not an individual factor.
Iam also thinking the chronic sexual migraines i get after each ejaculation that can last 48 hours could be from an abnormal pituary gland in my brain so I have managed to get to get an appointment with the Neurogist for a MRI, CT and Cat scans.
Iam pretty sure Iam going to order the Cyp test shots and the hcg but just wanted your opinions first.
Just to give you an idea of how my health was before since its not like i had these problems all my life not even close.
Before these health problems occured I had started amatuer boxing from 16 -18 training twice a day.Lifted weights on the same days i would box. Had a few amatuer fights here and there.
Dance in the clubs from 12-3am and stay out till 6am and wake up at 12 midday with no hangovers dispite drinking 1/2-3/4 litres of Xo brandy plus some aftershocks and tequilas and then hit the gym and rinse and repeat for 2-3 years. Had awesome recovery powers and could drink quite abit for a 140-147 pounder and being Chinese as well.
Yes i find its true that Chinese folks cannot drink that well, my ole mates would have a few pints of beer or maybe a few vodka and redbulls and that was them on wobbly legs :toofunny:
I guess those Yang herbs must of helped to keep me going and then ended up burning myself out big time.
A good question i have is if taking say 200mg of Cyp Test plus 250iu of HCG every day, whats the chances of this shutting down my natural test production totally ? I guess not much since HCG is there to keep the ole balls naturally producing ?
If i had to choose to prefer free test for training or test for libido its training all day every day for me but both would be awesome
If you have some time guys i hope you can get back to me with your good advice and if you have some endo, hormonal anti aging books you would suggest please let me know.
Thank you very much.