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Frank Reynolds said:
I am commenting on nothing more then this statement.

This reads as if you are using whey between whole food feedings, instead of BCAA in order to avoid the refractory response by "spiking" AA's.

My point is whey acts as the MEAL, and not the bolus/spike of AA's needed to avoid the refractory response.

Which if it is the case, it makes little difference if you take a casein/whey/egg blend, or whey both are going to act as the "meal".


And again, we are talking about a BLEND, not casein. The response you posted was quoting a post refering to a blend of whey,egg, casein, which only 1/3 of that is "slow" digesting.​
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Relax brodawg

Even Layne mentions the research is very limited here and I don't think he ever classified whey as meal. I think we're arguing two different points
 
itzDodge said:
[/INDENT]Relax brodawg

Even Layne mentions the research is very limited here and I don't think he ever classified whey as meal. I think we're arguing two different points
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I am relaxed.. It is the internet..haha

He is the one who brought about this whole theory, yet you are doing directly the opposite of what he is saying..lol

My only issue from the begining was your first post, in regards to a casein blend, and using whey between meals, every couple hours due to the "refractory response"..
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have you looked at the research done on whey vs casein? you will be surprised to find that casein produced better results size wise. You also don't need frequent meals every few hours.
 
I'm using an ipad so every time I switch tabs it refreshes the page and I lose what I typed or pasted. You can do a search on pubmed on the subject. There are research done that proved a blend produced better results. There is research that showed chocolate milk produced better results.
Here is one study that was done. Not going to post more since it is a pain and pubmed is available for everyone anyway.

Effect of a hypocaloric diet, increased protein intake and resistance training on lean mass gains and fat mass loss in overweight police officers.

Demling RH, DeSanti L.

Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA 02115, USA. [email protected]

We compare the effects of a moderate hypocaloric, high-protein diet and resistance training, using two different protein supplements, versus hypocaloric diet alone on body compositional changes in overweight police officers. A randomized, prospective 12-week study was performed comparing the changes in body composition produced by three different treatment modalities in three study groups. One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate. We found that weight loss was approximately 2.5 kg in all three groups. Mean percent body fat with diet alone decreased from a baseline of 27 +/- 1.8 to 25 +/- 1.3% at 12 weeks. With diet, exercise and casein the decrease was from 26 +/- 1.7 to 18 +/- 1.1% and with diet, exercise and whey protein the decrease was from 27 +/- 1.6 to 23 +/- 1.3%. The mean fat loss was 2. 5 +/- 0.6, 7.0 +/- 2.1 and 4.2 +/- 0.9 kg in the three groups, respectively. Lean mass gains in the three groups did not change for diet alone, versus gains of 4 +/- 1.4 and 2 +/- 0.7 kg in the casein and whey groups, respectively. Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate. Copyright 2000 S. Karger AG, Basel
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fadi said:
I'm using an ipad so every time I switch tabs it refreshes the page and I lose what I typed or pasted. You can do a search on pubmed on the subject. There are research done that proved a blend produced better results. There is research that showed chocolate milk produced better results.
Here is one study that was done. Not going to post more since it is a pain and pubmed is available for everyone anyway.
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Ive seen studies showing casein gives better size gains..but I thought whey gave better strength gains? Or did I just make that up lol
 
bigdavid said:
Ive seen studies showing casein gives better size gains..but I thought whey gave better strength gains? Or did I just make that up lol
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Not sure about strength, I've seen it mentioned but never really paid attention to it since it is not what I was looking for. You will find research favoring whey as well size wise.

For me it just means the type doesn't matter as long as you are getting your daily protein. You don't grow only an hour post workout. You grow all day, and the next few days as well. I switched to blends, but I also take whey since I have so much of it. I'm also trying to get most of my protein from real food.



Mod edit: thread closed. NO advertising of other sites.(fadi, not you. This is for those who are ignoring the rules)
 
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