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change in norcodrene?

bdcc said:
This is not tolerated as an acceptable standard of quality.

If there are any quality control issues, we would be happy to rectify them. Just send me an email or a message on here. :)
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This was awhile ago and I did contact PES directly and was offered a replacement.
 
I had the same thing happen with Norcodrene, 2 bottles had more than a few empty capsules but I never checked the weight of the rest. This was a while ago and I should have complained but it took 7 weeks to reach me in the uk and a large Customs charge and I was at the point of not caring as I was past the point of being pissed off lol.

(just to add though it was not a delivery from PES it was a store, PES when ordered directly have been quicker than expected and delivering to the uk is never quick as Ben could probably tell you)
 
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Just in case Alphamine changes I'm stocking up! With that being said I'd definitely give the new version a go.
 
Can the PES reps not confirm if Alphamine will be changed? Or is obvious due to the Norcodrene change.

Alphamine is by far the product I have used more than any other on the market by far, I think I drunk it for a year straight last year lol.
 
No worries, hi tech will probably pick the change off the table and come up with a real alphamine clone while pes entertain the soccer moms at gnc.
 
bashar said:
No worries, hi tech will probably pick the change off the table and come up with a real alphamine clone while pes entertain the soccer moms at gnc.
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But will the label be as pretty lol. Would be good if they did clone it though, would be willing to try.
 
It is out of stock on the PES site. That's hint enough.
 
Duywayne said:
Wow that looks terrible. First Amino IV and now this :(

I'm guessing Select will be on the chopping block next along with Alphamine.
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I was unaware anyone had even tried the reformulated Norcodrene yet.
 
kbayne said:
We will wait and see what the user feedback is once it drops and people give it a run.
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Absolutely, but the formula doesn't look as promising as the former. Till then though, it is no surprise that anyone would be less than imprssed by the changes.

Plus, change scares the **** out of me.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Absolutely, but the formula doesn't look as promising as the former. Till then though, it is no surprise that anyone would be less than imprssed by the changes.

Plus, change scares the **** out of me.
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Agree, the former formula was unique and more novel, via the TGR Matrix.

That being said, just because a profile doesn't look "promising" shouldn't have on thinking there is no benefit. Some of the best formulas are very basic, with basic well known ingredients.
 
I think it's not logic, think that PES will do the less effective versions.
I believe in this house, I trust.
I loved Alphamine EU ... think think how will the US version, a bomb!
Shame not to have tried it.
I Love PES!
 
Just stocked up on norcodrene and alphamine. They'll always be my first loves...

But still looking forward to giving the newbies a shot.

Love experimentation!
 
bb333 said:
I think it's not logic, think that PES will do the less effective versions.
I believe in this house, I trust.
I loved Alphamine EU ... think think how will the US version, a bomb!
Shame not to have tried it.
I Love PES!
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Its not logic no to do a less effective version but if there are no ingredients out there as good as the ones removed then it will be less effective, maybe not much to make a difference though.

I prefer the UK Alphamine, Y just puts me on edge but it is effective.
 
It's going to be less jitter/stim for those effected and more cognitive/mood benefits on top of effective fat loss

Plus this makes a single version almost globally legal now
 
SBIK said:
Its not logic no to do a less effective version but if there are no ingredients out there as good as the ones removed then it will be less effective, maybe not much to make a difference though.

I prefer the UK Alphamine, Y just puts me on edge but it is effective.
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The UK Alphamine is a perfect example of how forum mentalities often work. I will explain.

Someone from the UK moaned to me about the exclusion of yohimbe. It is illegal so there is literally no wiggle room on this but despite this they kept giving us a hard time because the UK version "must" be "weaker" or "watered down" despite me explaining that we adjusted the formula to make up for the removal of yohimbe so they would feel as similar as possible.

So they tried the UK version and I asked them if they tried the UK and the US version blindfolded and didn't know which one was which, would they be able to tell the difference.

They said no, they didn't think they could.
 
Given the fact that most fat burners don't work at all, I like unique formulas ��

Having said that, I am fairly stim tolerant but when stims do hit too hard, I don't like that feeling either. It's actually one of the reasons I liked Norco over Alphamine. Alphamine made me feel a little weird.

With that in mind, non-stim fat burners are flexible when it comes to stacking. So that is a plus. But to steal from Ray Stanz, "I've worked in the private sector. They expect results."
 
bb333 said:
I think it's not logic, think that PES will do the less effective versions.
I believe in this house, I trust.
I loved Alphamine EU ... think think how will the US version, a bomb!
Shame not to have tried it.
I Love PES!
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Was this a haiku
 
Just seen this now. I love alphamine. Alot. But not going to lie havent been using it. However my girl uses it daily for a while now. If you guys want i could let the pro try it and report back for you.
 
Woody said:
He's Italian I believe. Uses google translator.. Sometimes it's spot on sometimes it's choppy.
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Haha, thought it was an "ode to alphamine"
 
Im all about changing things up, but truthfully alphamine not only one of the best tasting, but one of the best ive used. Everyone i give a samlle to buys it. Male or female. Such a solid product. I truely feel reformulating would be a mistake. Just my two cents
 
Yohimbine burns stubborn belly fat like no other, the only reason I used alphamine was because it felt cleaner than a proper yohimbine hcl dosage,now that alphamine has turned into another me too fat burner, I will be switching to good old yohimbine hcl...
 
I don't understand "trying to go more mainstream" by removing yohimbine. Look at any mainstream fat burner and you will find yohimbine in some form. There has to be another reason.
 
Chefdeez said:
I don't understand "trying to go more mainstream" by removing yohimbine. Look at any mainstream fat burner and you will find yohimbine in some form. There has to be another reason.
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Yohimbine HCL is so cheap to buy in bulk, if you want it, no reason not to add it yourself.

So many people are too sensitive to yohimbine. Yes, it is a very effective ingredient, but with the number of individuals who simply cannot use it, it will allow everyone the ability to use Alphamine.

Big Papi said:
check the logs, bro! we bpi now?
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Thanks for the little laugh this morning.
 
looks like the new castrated alphamine will be launched this Wednesday with new flavours. It has been nice to know you...
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I think it's super unfortunate that for YEARS we were told about how superior SA2-A was to "regular" Yohimbine and now we're being told oh just add bulk Yohimbine HCL if you like it so much.

Also, we told told that SA2-A had none of the harsh sides as regular Yohimbine and now we're being told that too many people are sensitive to it?

So PES bros, which one of the statements was complete supp. industry BS? Was it that your extract was superior or was it that your extract had none of the sides? Let me guess, both.
 
^We have not lost faith in Sa2 at all, but we are gaining ground on more soil than just in the US

We're evolving as we go to bring the best we can to people worldwide now
 
Driven2lift said:
^We have not lost faith in Sa2 at all, but we are gaining ground on more soil than just in the US

We're evolving as we go to bring the best we can to people worldwide now
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i am aware that this is the company line that the reps have been told to parrot, but it only makes the brand and reps look foolish. all the big name supplement companies have stimulant fat burners and pre-workouts with yohimbine in the stim blend. we're seeing y in more products now than ever before so cut the **** with the "wider audience" thing.
 
some companies choose to lead while others choose to... Kudus for Olympus Labs and HiTech pharm. I have to admit Olympus Ignite has surpassed alphamine in every aspect, well except for the cotton candy flavour...
 
None up here have it

I bet this will be the best pre (once out) and burner available to me legally

And I'm one of billions not in the US

Sorry it's not all about you always

This may also help us down the line getting this overseas cheaper and faster, one day it may even have other warehouses.

This doubles as a first step to quelling another common complaint, costs to international customers
 
At the very least i hope you guys start selling alpha yohimbe stand alone... How is it alphamine without alpha yohimbe? Love u guys, but this is a mistake man.
 
bashar said:
some companies choose to lead while others choose to... Kudus for Olympus Labs and HiTech pharm. I have to admit Olympus Ignite has surpassed alphamine in every aspect, well except for the cotton candy flavour...
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I disagree with that. Olympus is a good company, but they arent touching pes bro. Thats crazy lol
 
I'd be in heaven with CC alphamine to add into my pre concoction :)
 
Driven2lift said:
None up here have it

I bet this will be the best pre (once out) and burner available to me legally

And I'm one of billions not in the US

Sorry it's not all about you always

This may also help us down the line getting this overseas cheaper and faster, one day it may even have other warehouses.
First step to quelling another complaint, costs to international customers
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Nice response. The contempt is all but obvious.

The truth can't be hidden behind rhetoric and spin. PES wants to maximize profits at the expense of its hardcore fans that built the brand in the first place.

Formulations are getting changed for one reason and one reason only: profit. If PES only has to manufacture one product for all markets, cost of goods sold goes down. If PES can reach the Dr. OZ crowd by making easier-to-digest, milder products that can make their ways on to grocery store shelves, sales go up.

It's understandable. I won't begrudge a for-profit business because it's trying to expand...but it is a shame for those of us that prefer novel and efficacious over bland and ubiquitous.
 
You think Y was an expense we tried to cut?
Lol...

Also, we're dropping price on the formula that did lose an ingredient without a replacenent, AminoIV

If we can lower price and stay in the green, PEScience can and does.


Sorry Y fans, I'll happily suggest my fave alternatives still containing Y to those in that market.
 
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