Celtic Labs Ostabol Mini-Log (Bloodwork)

There was another guy that got gyno after a week of running epi and stano. But he thinks it might have been from a previous cycle. I'm all for caution. But I'd use formeron or something on cycle rather than inhibit p.
 
Placebo.

ChefJoey said:
"I had puffy nipples and it was bothering the **** out of me. I got some inhibit P and within a few days the sensitivity was gone and nips were tight."

That's from another epi thread and I've heard similar things.

Whether its complete BS or not, I just figured I had the sealed bottle of Inhibit-P lying around for a few months so figured I'd toss it in.

I'm not running out to buy caber or anything.
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I'm the one who he quoted about the inhibit P. I know scientifically it doesn't make sense. I hated the sensitivity I was having, and the inhibit P made it go away. Placebo or not it worked. 20 bucks to get rid of that problem was well worth it imo. Plus, my mood has been great and I feel like I've been sleeping better.
 
I'm glad you posted that. I had planned on running it in my pct starting tomorrow. Guess I'll wait and use it 6 weeks prior to my next cycle.
 
That's not a good reason to not use it in a pct. Yes his test is lower than it was before, but you can fluctuate your test levels by 100% from day to day. You'd expect a certain degree of suppression as you're running a androgen receptor analogue. That being said, that value doesn't represent shutdown; clearly he's still making endogenous test even in the presence of an anabolic.

Running a serm and AI with a lower dose of ostabol won't impede recovery.
 
I don't think anyone has ever argued that osta won't decrease your test levels. If you think about it, it pretty much has to. What ppl are saying is that you don't need a serm to recover from it and you don't.
 
Mystere3 said:
I don't think anyone has ever argued that osta won't decrease your test levels. If you think about it, it pretty much has to. What ppl are saying is that you don't need a serm to recover from it and you don't.
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So what about running it in pct. wouldn't it keep your test levels from bouncing back to normal as quickly?
 
This is what shutdown looks like, guys.

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Keep in mind this is what is considered the weakest prohormone and the OP ran a low dose from a vendor ppl consider underdosed.

If you ran a test booster for a week I bet you'd be in the normal range.
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
i know you've done it Mystere3, and I want to try it. My only issue is i might not be able to get bloodwork after my cycle due to insurance issues. and in NJ, i know you can't do online bloodwork
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You'll be fine. If you want to make sure you bounce back you could run a higher dose of clomid, or run normal doses of novla and clomid.
 
ChefJoey said:
Bloods came in and wow...


T: 246
E: 19

(Before Ostabol)

T: 810 (348-1197)
E: 32.2 (7.6-42.6)
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Mystere3 said:
That's not a good reason to not use it in a pct. Yes his test is lower than it was before, but you can fluctuate your test levels by 100% from day to day. You'd expect a certain degree of suppression as you're running a androgen receptor analogue. That being said, that value doesn't represent shutdown; clearly he's still making endogenous test even in the presence of an anabolic.

Running a serm and AI with a lower dose of ostabol won't impede recovery.
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Crap. This kind of ruins my mid-summer plans.

I think a serm might be overkill, but what about running something like EPRO for the duration of an Ostarine Run?

Something like this:
Week 1-6: 20mg Ostarine
Week 1-8: 1 EPRO (dhaa)
 
Mystere3 said:
That's not a good reason to not use it in a pct. Yes his test is lower than it was before, but you can fluctuate your test levels by 100% from day to day. You'd expect a certain degree of suppression as you're running a androgen receptor analogue. That being said, that value doesn't represent shutdown; clearly he's still making endogenous test even in the presence of an anabolic.

Running a serm and AI with a lower dose of ostabol won't impede recovery.
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By this logic you make it sound as if bloods are useless.
 
I think you should hold off for the Epi, hopping from one to the next will just further shut you down and require more time to get things back to normal.
 
mtinsideout said:
A bridge that will take him from ~75% suppression to complete shut down.
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My thoughts exactly.

Please wait 4-6 weeks before running Epi.

I forgot whether you were going to use it to bulk or cut, but if you really want to jump into a PH, I'd do 11kt and go with the path of least suppression.
 
Why would you wait? Epi or any methyl will 100% shut you down no matter what. You might as well minimize the amount of pct you need.

The Engineer said:
My thoughts exactly.

Please wait 4-6 weeks before running Epi.

I forgot whether you were going to use it to bulk or cut, but if you really want to jump into a PH, I'd do 11kt and go with the path of least suppression.
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I don't understand why people are afraid of shutdown... If you take AAS you should EXPECT to be shutdown. If you aren't shutdown, you aren't getting enough exogenous hormones. Any hormonal anabolic should suppress endogenous test production.
 
Mystere3 said:
I don't understand why people are afraid of shutdown... If you take AAS you should EXPECT to be shutdown. If you aren't shutdown, you aren't getting enough exogenous hormones. Any hormonal anabolic should suppress endogenous test production.
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I don't disagree you should expect shutdown but you should not be looking for it. The idea of AAS is to get in and get out to maximize gains and minimize sides. Unless you are running TRT you should not be running anything more than 8 weeks at a time. Once you are shutdown completely it will be a really difficult battle in PCT to maintain your gains while struggling through lethargy.
 
mtinsideout said:
I don't disagree you should expect shutdown but you should not be looking for it. The idea of AAS is to get in and get out to maximize gains and minimize sides. Unless you are running TRT you should not be running anything more than 8 weeks at a time. Once you are shutdown completely it will be a really difficult battle in PCT to maintain your gains while struggling through lethargy.
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That's not true. I've run > 1g of test with tren and eq for 14 weeks with dbol and anavar, much more shutdown than you'd ever get with an oral cycle and had no problems recovering with full dose osta in pct with torem 120/120/60/60. Test was > 700 two weeks out from the end of 4 week pct. Didn't lose any lbm in pct with osta.
 
This is the most important part of this post. You guys really need to remember that at the end of the day, test is JUST A NUMBER.

When we evaluate pts for low T the most important thing is their symptoms, not the actual level. Honestly no one other than steroid users would even come in for low t unless they had symptoms, why would they?

ChefJoey said:
Mind you, I don't "feel" shut down at all.

Mood, libido, ect all good.

Still planning my Epi cycle.
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Would you recommend using a full dose of osta in pct? I am planning to run 10 mg but if I could get away with 20 I would.
 
It dropped test from the 800's to below normal and it's ok to use in pct? Makes sense. Test is not "just a number". That is horse****.
 
I think what he meant was the test will naturally come back from being lowered. Because your not shut down, just suppressed. So your body is still making test it's just at a lower level as opposed to running an aas or ph that shuts it off completely.
 
jarhead said:
It dropped test from the 800's to below normal and it's ok to use in pct? Makes sense. Test is not "just a number". That is horse****.
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Lol believe me if someone was taking osta it would not do that. How many peoples are taking what they believe is osta but instead just steroids? The most legit osta I've used was ostanish. Shyt healed an ongoing case of tendinitis in 4 weeks without having to stop training
 
kolejorg said:
I think what he meant was the test will naturally come back from being lowered. Because your not shut down, just suppressed. So your body is still making test it's just at a lower level as opposed to running an aas or ph that shuts it off completely.
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He advised to run the same compound during pct that suppressed the other guy into below normal ranges. That seems to be counter-productive to the purpose of pct.
 
JD261985 said:
Lol believe me if someone was taking osta it would not do that. How many peoples are taking what they believe is osta but instead just steroids? The most legit osta I've used was ostanish. Shyt healed an ongoing case of tendinitis in 4 weeks without having to stop training
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Then Ostabol isn't really mk-2866?
 
jarhead said:
It dropped test from the 800's to below normal and it's ok to use in pct? Makes sense. Test is not "just a number". That is horse****.
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Test is exactly that. Just a number.

If you were gaining mass normally with exercise, weren't tired, had good libido, felt great, etc, and you tested your testosterone and found it to be 250, what would that mean?

Conversely, if you were feeling tired, lethargic, had erectile dysfunction, low libido, couldn't put on muscle mass, depressed, etc, tested your test and it was 1000, what would that mean?

The value is much less important than how you're actually feeling. If the OP hadn't drawn bloods, he'd have no idea his test was suppressed.

As far as using it in PCT, the rationale is that the suppression you get from osta is overcome by hpta stimulation from the serm. Is it possible you'll recover slower than without the osta? Absolutely. IMO the benefits of not losing muscle mass off cycle outweigh the risks. Furthermore, my own labs have shown recovery for me even with high dose osta. Others might have different experiences. No one is forcing them to use it, though.
 
Invalid Link Removed. Well look at his bloods barely any suppression and no of course I didn't expect it to stay the same but I sure as hell didn't expect a 700 point drop
 
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