Unanswered CEL Stano-Plex 300 vs BSL Superstrol-7?

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As title reads. Either one would be supported with Cycle Assist and M-Test. I'm curious which of the products would be considered better for someone who hasn't experimented with epiandro before. Higher dose epi w/ pump vs "special delivery system" and extras.

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CEL is the better option. Just grab 2 bottles and start at 600 mg a day and eventually work up to 900 or 1200 daily. Wouldn’t go much higher than that. Take with a fat source such as fish oil and you’re golden. BSL and their andro products are severely underdosed
 

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That is what I was thinking, but I won't be going over 600mg. I want to keep things nice and mild if I can (OTC PCT). DPS is running a sale and the difference between the 2 would be a whole $0.21 lol.
 
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That is what I was thinking, but I won't be going over 600mg. I want to keep things nice and mild if I can (OTC PCT). DPS is running a sale and the difference between the 2 would be a whole $0.21 lol.
I would grab 2 then lol. But that being said, you might be able to get away an OTC PCT. I ran a bottle for the last 4 weeks of my cycle when I ran out of 3AD. 2 caps a day with my preworkout for pump, aggression, and leaning purposes. You’ll like the 600 mg but I think 900 mg is more of a sweet spot for me.
 

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"you might be able to get away an OTC PCT"

That has actually frustrated me a bit, while researching this compound. I've seen "complete shutdown", I've seen "minor suppression", I've seen "no suppression" or "prevents suppression" AND I've seen "Epi does nothing, no shutdown and no benefits whatsoever". I know everybody responds to different substances differently but damn that is a huge range of opinions. Even dosage is all over the place, with 200mg up to 1200mg+ daily being the dosage range.

My only other experience with phs was Hitech Ostaplex w/ Hitech Arimistane, which was fine for 2 months without any noticed side effects, and I used OTC test booster for afterwards. That was actually my introduction to Ashwaganda, and I've been taking 600mg twice daily of KSM-66 ever since. I would hope to have that smooth of an experience again :)
 
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"you might be able to get away an OTC PCT"

That has actually frustrated me a bit, while researching this compound. I've seen "complete shutdown", I've seen "minor suppression", I've seen "no suppression" or "prevents suppression" AND I've seen "Epi does nothing, no shutdown and no benefits whatsoever". I know everybody responds to different substances differently but damn that is a huge range of opinions. Even dosage is all over the place, with 200mg up to 1200mg+ daily being the dosage range.

My only other experience with phs was Hitech Ostaplex w/ Hitech Arimistane, which was fine for 2 months without any noticed side effects, and I used OTC test booster for afterwards. That was actually my introduction to Ashwaganda, and I've been taking 600mg twice daily of KSM-66 ever since. I would hope to have that smooth of an experience again :)
That’s why I said you might be able to get away with it. It’s better to have the SERM and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Supplements that contain natty test boosters should be taken alongside a SERM and something such as Reduce XT to prevent cortisol rebound. Everyone is different, some may get away with an OTC PCT and others may need a SERM.
 

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theres no reason EVER To run an otc pct over a serm. Can I ask why you want to run an otc pct? Usually it’s either because 1- people can’t source it or 2- people are more scared from a serm than the idea of fucking themself over which is hilarious imo.
 
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"you might be able to get away an OTC PCT"

That has actually frustrated me a bit, while researching this compound. I've seen "complete shutdown", I've seen "minor suppression", I've seen "no suppression" or "prevents suppression" AND I've seen "Epi does nothing, no shutdown and no benefits whatsoever". I know everybody responds to different substances differently but damn that is a huge range of opinions. Even dosage is all over the place, with 200mg up to 1200mg+ daily being the dosage range.

My only other experience with phs was Hitech Ostaplex w/ Hitech Arimistane, which was fine for 2 months without any noticed side effects, and I used OTC test booster for afterwards. That was actually my introduction to Ashwaganda, and I've been taking 600mg twice daily of KSM-66 ever since. I would hope to have that smooth of an experience again :)
Epi is one of my favs. And is hormonal, unlike what you mentioned above. Unfortunately you won’t know how your body reacts till you get there. Epi solo would be a very mild cycle (possibly the mildest I can think of) and I would be shocked if someone could prove to me that epi shut them down. That said, it is suppressive so plan accordingly.

I’ve dosaged as high as 1250 and as low as 500. The 750-1000 mark is my sweet spot. You’ll also notice a difference in dosing as BSL manufactures at high tech pharmaceuticals and they lower dosage because of their delivery system. I’ve never run BSL andros but I did run Sparta’s when they manufactured pros at HTP. I dosed their epimax at minimum of 500 day.
 

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theres no reason EVER To run an otc pct over a serm. Can I ask why you want to run an otc pct? Usually it’s either because 1- people can’t source it or 2- people are more scared from a serm than the idea of fucking themself over which is hilarious imo.
I don't have a "source" and even if I did, I still wouldn't. I have zero trust in grey market RC.
 

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Epi is one of my favs. And is hormonal, unlike what you mentioned above. Unfortunately you won’t know how your body reacts till you get there. Epi solo would be a very mild cycle (possibly the mildest I can think of) and I would be shocked if someone could prove to me that epi shut them down. That said, it is suppressive so plan accordingly.

I’ve dosaged as high as 1250 and as low as 500. The 750-1000 mark is my sweet spot. You’ll also notice a difference in dosing as BSL manufactures at high tech pharmaceuticals and they lower dosage because of their delivery system. I’ve never run BSL andros but I did run Sparta’s when they manufactured pros at HTP. I dosed their epimax at minimum of 500 day.
Yeah I know it is hormonal. I mean, it converts to DHT :ROFLMAO:. There just doesn't seem to be a defined measurement for how much it suppresses standalone. I guess thats because its considered to be a base product and is usually stacked with several other known to be suppressive compounds.

I appreciate all the replies. I'm not doing anything at the moment due to my shoulder flaring up a few days ago, just thinking for the future :)
 
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Yeah I noticed this a while back. Feels like PJ is Jared's bitch though. :ROFLMAO: I noticed he (Jared) is mentioned in just about all of the BSL product videos.
HTP owns the licensing on 1/4 andro. Everybody in the US has to play by their rules if they want those compounds. BSL, STEEL, etc... If you see liposomal or cylcosomal delivery...HTP.
 
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No worth taking solo. As someone who’s used it 5 times at least & likes it: It’s just not worth any hormonal impact for how little it gives. Epiandro is for stacking, or perhaps a preWO. You could make more gains with an extra 8oz beef added daily or another hour of quality sleep night.

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No worth taking solo. As someone who’s used it 5 times at least & likes it: It’s just not worth any hormonal impact for how little it gives. Epiandro is for stacking, or perhaps a preWO. You could make more gains with an extra 8oz beef added daily or another hour of quality sleep night.

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Thanks for the input Hyde . I remember that episode! Haha!
 

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HTP owns the licensing on 1/4 andro. Everybody in the US has to play by their rules if they want those compounds. BSL, STEEL, etc... If you see liposomal or cylcosomal delivery...HTP.
You mean 1 and 4 andro , right ? Because there is such a thing as 1,4 andro , but I think right now HTP is the only company with a 1,4 product.
 
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Thanks for the input Hyde . I remember that episode! Haha!
So funny. But on the subject of epiandro - it’s good in a stack, but it’s the icing not the cake. You need to ask yourself why you’re only bothering with something so radically mild solo. If it’s because you aren’t ready to really cycle, I would encourage you to just wait.
 

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So funny. But on the subject of epiandro - it’s good in a stack, but it’s the icing not the cake. You need to ask yourself why you’re only bothering with something so radically mild solo. If it’s because you aren’t ready to really cycle, I would encourage you to just wait.
Reading about these compounds is fun for me, and I enjoy experimenting with different things to see if I see a positive benefit for training or my career (stims, nootropics, adaptogens). My only experience with an anabolic is the 19nor-dhea in Ostaplex (8 weeks with kaged muscle's test support after). To answer your question though: No, I will not be doing a multi-compound "real" cycle with pharma PCT. I'm staying in the weeny hut :ROFLMAO: And any experimentation with epiandro is on indefinite hold till I figure out wtf is wrong with my left shoulder. I can't bench right now due to it, so it doesn't make sense to spend money on something if I'm not training at 100%.
 
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Reading about these compounds is fun for me, and I enjoy experimenting with different things to see if I see a positive benefit for training or my career (stims, nootropics, adaptogens). My only experience with an anabolic is the 19nor-dhea in Ostaplex (8 weeks with kaged muscle's test support after). To answer your question though: No, I will not be doing a multi-compound "real" cycle with pharma PCT. I'm staying in the weeny hut :ROFLMAO: And any experimentation with epiandro is on indefinite hold till I figure out wtf is wrong with my left shoulder. I can't bench right now due to it, so it doesn't make sense to spend money on something if I'm not training at 100%.
I hear you. I am not encouraging you take up anabolic steroids - completely the opposite! You can do so much more natural than people believe of themselves. Experimenting with nootropics is one thing, but I urge you not to mess with hormones if you aren’t on board with needing lifetime TRT at some point, because it generally ends there.

That’s my soapbox rant, and I will shut up now.
 

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I hear you. I am not encouraging you take up anabolic steroids - completely the opposite! You can do so much more natural than people believe of themselves. Experimenting with nootropics is one thing, but I urge you not to mess with hormones if you aren’t on board with needing lifetime TRT at some point, because it generally ends there.

That’s my soapbox rant, and I will shut up now.
Its a good rant :ROFLMAO: I don't want to go down the TRT route for another decade or so if I can help it (I'm currently 32).
 

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