CEL pmag help/advice

roflcopter808

New member
About to take my first pmag cycle 50/50/75/75/75

Pre load CEL cycle assist 2 weeks before
PCT:
CEL cycle assist
CEL PCT assist
inhibit E
liver assist
supress c

my question is....is my PCT good enough for this pmag cycle? I did a lot of research and got a lot of different opinions. I think im gonna go with an OCT PCT because i hear pmag isn't a strong enough PH where i need a serm. but what are your thoughts?

some history about me is....
the only other PH i took was CEL hdrol at 50/75/75/75
didnt preload anything lol. but took cycle assist during the pmag cycle
PCT:
cycle assist, PCT assist, inhibit e, and liver assist
kept most of my gains. (lost 3 lbs out of the 8 that I gained, lost 1 rep in bench press). but then again, i had some family problems during my PCT and wasn't able to lift very intensely because i had personal family problems on my mind(not very good timing lol)

once last thing.....
my current workout is every muscle once per week. i was thinking of maybe doing it twice a week because i hear when you take a PH you can do twice a week because your muscles heal faster or something?

current workout is....

SUNDAY: CHEST
4 barbell/DB flat (rotate between barbell and DB each week)
3 DB flat fly
4 DB incline
3 DB incline fly
3 barbell decline
3 DB decline flies

MONDAY: BACK/TRAPS
4 wide weighted pull ups
3 lat pull downs
4 seated rows
4 DB rows
3 reverse flies
5 dead lifts
4 DB shrugs

TUESDAY: REST

WEDNESDAY: SHOULDERS
4 shoulder press
3 front raises
3 side raises
3 cable raises
4 rear delts

THURSDAY: ARMS
4 close grip bench
4 skull crushers
3 weighted dips
3 tricep cables
3 barbell curls/DB curls (rotate between barbell/DB each week)
2 21's
3 incline curls
3 preacher curls
3 concentration

FRIDAY: LEGS
3 squats
3 leg press
3 leg extensions
3 leg curls
9 calfs

SATURDAY: REST

maybe thinking of doing something like
chest/tri
back/bi
leg/shoulders
rest
repeat

what do you guys think?

thanks!
 
At the very least have a SERM on hand - I would suggest letro or Adex as well to be more safe.

Regarding working out, stick to what you know has gotten you results. Some things I noticed though is why are you training legs at the end of the week when your body is most taxed?

Unless your legs are well developed, I would suggest switching them to the beginning of the week. Working your legs hard and effectively helps build a solid foundation and will actually help your upper body grow as well.
 
your pct looks great, you might be able to get away with not growing tits.... but let me ask you this.

why wouldnt u use a serm when your using steroids? does the idea of losing all your gains/growing moobs/or having a limp **** appeal to you??

i know other people out there have used pmag with no serm, but they cant even say they didnt take a risk..... look at some bloodwork from people who used a serm in comparison to atd/pct supports


... pmag will shut you down just like hdrol...maybe a little less....but theres no excuse for not getting a serm as they are easy to obtain...


NO SERM=NO STEROIDS

btw i like to be safe
 
bashman said:
At the very least have a SERM on hand - I would suggest letro or Adex as well to be more safe.

Regarding working out, stick to what you know has gotten you results. Some things I noticed though is why are you training legs at the end of the week when your body is most taxed?

Unless your legs are well developed, I would suggest switching them to the beginning of the week. Working your legs hard and effectively helps build a solid foundation and will actually help your upper body grow as well.
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thanks for the reply bro!
i can't seem to find a way to get my hands on a SERM which is why im very questionable about this pmag cycle lol. nolva seems to be the best because everyone recommends it but i don't know how to get it. :( any ideas? websites? etc?

as for the legs, the reason i do them on friday is because on tuesday and thursday i actually have training for boxing and my legs are DEAD if i do them in the beggining of the week lol. i need time for them to heal which is why Friday is a good day for me. But i do agree that legs are the most important and should be your main focus.
 
swollen87 said:
your pct looks great, you might be able to get away with not growing tits.... but let me ask you this.

why wouldnt u use a serm when your using steroids? does the idea of losing all your gains/growing moobs/or having a limp **** appeal to you??

i know other people out there have used pmag with no serm, but they cant even say they didnt take a risk..... look at some bloodwork from people who used a serm in comparison to atd/pct supports


... pmag will shut you down just like hdrol...maybe a little less....but theres no excuse for not getting a serm as they are easy to obtain...

NO SERM=NO STEROIDS

btw i like to be safe
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thanks. thats the main thing lol i dont want "moobs" but cant seem to find a way to get a serm. any ideas? thanks!

and i dont think my pct is the reason for my hdrol cycle to fail. i think it was more of the fact that I didnt spend a lot of time and focus at the gym during the pct because of personal family problems
 
tamoxifen citrate is generic nolvadex... i prefer to find pills, liquid nolva/clomid is ok, and certainly alot better than inhibit e....
 
bashman said:
At the very least have a SERM on hand - I would suggest letro or Adex as well to be more safe.

Regarding working out, stick to what you know has gotten you results. Some things I noticed though is why are you training legs at the end of the week when your body is most taxed?

Unless your legs are well developed, I would suggest switching them to the beginning of the week. Working your legs hard and effectively helps build a solid foundation and will actually help your upper body grow as well.
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letro and adex arent serms.. not sure if this is what you meant
 
swollen87 said:
letro and adex arent serms.. not sure if this is what you meant
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thanks for your replies! its really helping me out a lot.
i found this
ww.cemproducts.com/tamox-50ml-20mg-ml.html

would this be ok you think?
if so, what dosage should i be taking?
im thinking 20/20/10/10 but i did reasearch and ppl are saying this stuff is weaker and should be taken with 40 in the first week
 
swollen87 said:
letro and adex arent serms.. not sure if this is what you meant
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I said to have letro or Adex on hand as well

Personally, when I did my H-Drol cycle I bought

Letro (100 x 2.5mg tablets)
Adex
Caber
Loads Of Nolva (should of bought clomid as well)

All pharmaceutical grade tablets, there is no way I trust research bunk unless I could test its purity myself.

I'd rather have something and not need it rather than need something and not have it. PCT is just as important, if not more than being on cycle so don't try skimp on it.
 
bashman said:
I said to have letro or Adex on hand as well

Personally, when I did my H-Drol cycle I bought

Letro (100 x 2.5mg tablets)
Adex
Caber
Loads Of Nolva (should of bought clomid as well)

All pharmaceutical grade tablets, there is no way I trust research bunk unless I could test its purity myself.

I'd rather have something and not need it rather than need something and not have it. PCT is just as important, if not more than being on cycle so don't try skimp on it.
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wait... im sorry are your stats current? i dont think you need to be cycling at 158 pounds.....

and op as well, you should be able to gain a few more pounds naturally... actually alot more pounds...
 
swollen87 said:
wait... im sorry are your stats current? i dont think you need to be cycling at 158 pounds.....

and op as well, you should be able to gain a few more pounds naturally... actually alot more pounds...
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agreed
plus something like letrozole is not needed in PCT, the goal of a PCT isnt to suppress estrogen the goal should be to "normalize" endocrine system, suppressing estrogen with letrozole isnt beneficial in PCT.
 
rochabp said:
agreed
plus something like letrozole is not needed in PCT, the goal of a PCT isnt to suppress estrogen the goal should be to "normalize" endocrine system, suppressing estrogen with letrozole isnt beneficial in PCT.
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Im 170lbs and I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I never suggested to use Letro in PCT, merely to have it on hand.
 
bashman said:
Im 170lbs and I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. I never suggested to use Letro in PCT, merely to have it on hand.
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160 170 same shjt.... youre too skinny to be taking steroids... go eat some food
 
bashman said:
I said to have letro or Adex on hand as well

Personally, when I did my H-Drol cycle I bought

Letro (100 x 2.5mg tablets)
Adex
Caber
Loads Of Nolva (should of bought clomid as well)

All pharmaceutical grade tablets, there is no way I trust research bunk unless I could test its purity myself.

I'd rather have something and not need it rather than need something and not have it. PCT is just as important, if not more than being on cycle so don't try skimp on it.
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yup eat more :fing02: I got liquid crap(nolva) and yes it worked, but its purity is under question. hook a brother up :lmao:
 
swollen87 said:
160 170 same shjt.... youre too skinny to be taking steroids... go eat some food
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At 170lbs 11 - 12% BF 5ft8, I ain't skinny bro and have more or less the same LBM as most on here who start cycles at 180 - 200lbs with 15 - 20% BF.

Due to my metabolism and work, I have to eat 4500kcal+ ED to gain around 1 - 1.5 lbs a month at my current weight - reason why I don't want to be much heavier and why I started a cycle at a lighter weight than most to help speed along my very slow rate of gains.

Sorry I am not ambitious enough to be a 200lbs+ guy having to eat 6000kcal ED worrying about food all day just to maintain.
 
bashman said:
At 170lbs 11 - 12% BF 5ft8, I ain't skinny bro and have more or less the same LBM as most on here who start cycles at 180 - 200lbs with 15 - 20% BF.

Due to my metabolism and work, I have to eat 4500kcal+ ED to gain around 1 - 1.5 lbs a month at my current weight - reason why I don't want to be much heavier and why I started a cycle at a lighter weight than most to help speed along my very slow rate of gains.

Sorry I am not ambitious enough to be a 200lbs+ guy having to eat 6000kcal ED worrying about food all day just to maintain.
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i dont believe you are eating more than 4500 cals a day... you need to post up your diet and meal timing (HONESTLY....anyone can post up jay cutlers diet and complain of being a "hardgainer".....) and someone on this forum will help you out..

5ft8 170( after your hdrol cycle ) so that means probably 5'8 160 is NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING A GOOD NATURAL FOUNDATION TO BEGIN TAKING STEROIDS...


the only steroid you need is called hamburgerdrol :burger:

dose 5x per day with low fat milk and eggs ... throw away all your supplements and start eating
 
so much arguing on my thread lol hahaha

but anyways i figured out what im gonna take

2 weeks pre load CEL cycle assist

on cycle
pmag 50/50/75/75/75
continue taking CEL cycle assist

PCT
CEL cycle assist
liquid tamox citrate (40/20/20/10/10)
suppress c (for cortisol)

my questions is.... for my PCT should i include CEL PCT assist, inhibit e, and SNS liver assist? or do you think ill be fine?
also anyone ever heard of AMMO kickstart? its suppossed to be a really good pct.
thanks!
 
I was just going to ignore you and end this pointless argument but I don't appreciate people accusing me of lying. Here is my diet, meals are spaced eaten every 2.5 - 3hrs apart from meals 2 and 3 and some things changed around some days. I have even included Kcal, Protein, Carbs, Sugar, Far, Saturated Far breakdown. Taken from Excel.... you'll probably be saying I don't know how to train next.

1) 100g Oats + 300ml Semi-Milk + 15g Sultanas + 15g Cane Sugar + 25g Walnuts + 30g Bulk Whey

910 50 103 43 32.11 7.29

2) PWO Whey Shake

125 24 2 1.5 1.5 1

3) 140g Pasta + 200g Homepride Pasta Sauce + 100g Lean Mince Beef + Veg

860 48 100 12.4 25 9.16

4) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

5) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

6) 100g Brown Rice + 100g Tuna + Veg + 25ml Olive Oil

700 37.5 71 1 29.16 3.38

7) Home made Pesto (50g Cheese + 25ml Olive Oil + Spinach + Garlic Cloves) + 100g Chicken + Veg

670 41 8.85 4.45 51 8.78

KCAL 4795
PROTEIN 300.5
CARBS 458.85
SUGARS 92.35
FATS 187.11
SATURATED 51.49
 
roflcopter808 said:
so much arguing on my thread lol hahaha

but anyways i figured out what im gonna take

2 weeks pre load CEL cycle assist

on cycle
pmag 50/50/75/75/75
continue taking CEL cycle assist

PCT
CEL cycle assist
liquid tamox citrate (40/20/20/10/10)
suppress c (for cortisol)

my questions is.... for my PCT should i include CEL PCT assist, inhibit e, and SNS liver assist? or do you think ill be fine?
also anyone ever heard of AMMO kickstart? its suppossed to be a really good pct.
thanks!
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I would suggest dosing P-mag at 75 from week 2 onwards.

I think Nolva + PCT Assist and Suppress C should be fine. I would still advise getting an AI (Letro, Adex) on hand just in case.
 
bashman said:
I would suggest dosing P-mag at 75 from week 2 onwards.

I think Nolva + PCT Assist and Suppress C should be fine. I would still advise getting an AI (Letro, Adex) on hand just in case.
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ok cool thanks bro! thats what i was thinking. i also was thinking of going 6 weeks instead of 5
50/75/75/75/75/75? haha depending on how good my gains are. do i need something to help my liver out too though? or does the nolva/pct assist do this already?
 
sorry i just realized that CEL cycle assist should take care of my liver cuz it has milk thistle right? correct me if im wrong
 
roflcopter808 said:
sorry i just realized that CEL cycle assist should take care of my liver cuz it has milk thistle right? correct me if im wrong
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Yea you are right bro and yes go 6 weeks, you should see some awesome gains.

Watch out for back pumps (taurine 10g daily should help some)

Check blood pressure (should buy a kit) stay off any stims.

Plenty of grub, fish oils, protein etc.. just keep reading more logs, so you know what to expect.
 
roflcopter808 said:
ok cool thanks bro! thats what i was thinking. i also was thinking of going 6 weeks instead of 5
50/75/75/75/75/75? haha depending on how good my gains are. do i need something to help my liver out too though? or does the nolva/pct assist do this already?
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i think 6 weeks is good, thats the only way i would run hdrol, since gains come slowly but steadily, or so i hear. and hdrol solo shouldnt be a big problem as far as liver problems
 
bashman said:
Yea you are right bro and yes go 6 weeks, you should see some awesome gains.

Watch out for back pumps (taurine 10g daily should help some)

Check blood pressure (should buy a kit) stay off any stims.

Plenty of grub, fish oils, protein etc.. just keep reading more logs, so you know what to expect.
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taurine! thanks for reminding me man. ill probably start my cycle in about two weeks and start my own log on here
 
rochabp said:
i think 6 weeks is good, thats the only way i would run hdrol, since gains come slowly but steadily, or so i hear. and hdrol solo shouldnt be a big problem as far as liver problems
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its pmag not hdrol btw lol. but i get what you meant lol thank you
 
roflcopter808 said:
its pmag not hdrol btw lol. but i get what you meant lol thank you
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lol, my bad but the same still applies they are both somewhat similiar even though they are completely different
 
bashman said:
I was just going to ignore you and end this pointless argument but I don't appreciate people accusing me of lying. Here is my diet, meals are spaced eaten every 2.5 - 3hrs apart from meals 2 and 3 and some things changed around some days. I have even included Kcal, Protein, Carbs, Sugar, Far, Saturated Far breakdown. Taken from Excel.... you'll probably be saying I don't know how to train next.

1) 100g Oats + 300ml Semi-Milk + 15g Sultanas + 15g Cane Sugar + 25g Walnuts + 30g Bulk Whey

910 50 103 43 32.11 7.29

2) PWO Whey Shake

125 24 2 1.5 1.5 1

3) 140g Pasta + 200g Homepride Pasta Sauce + 100g Lean Mince Beef + Veg

860 48 100 12.4 25 9.16

4) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

5) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

6) 100g Brown Rice + 100g Tuna + Veg + 25ml Olive Oil

700 37.5 71 1 29.16 3.38

7) Home made Pesto (50g Cheese + 25ml Olive Oil + Spinach + Garlic Cloves) + 100g Chicken + Veg

670 41 8.85 4.45 51 8.78

KCAL 4795
PROTEIN 300.5
CARBS 458.85
SUGARS 92.35
FATS 187.11
SATURATED 51.49
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just to help you.... you need to get your calories from real food, not 4 shakes
thats why your skinny


and OP.. cycle assist and pct assist are good... i like liv. 52 personally
 
swollen87 said:
just to help you.... you need to get your calories from real food, not 4 shakes
thats why your skinny


and OP.. cycle assist and pct assist are good... i like liv. 52 personally
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LMAO there is one shake in there bro. Just to help YOU, learn how to read posts properly and learn how to stop throwing your weight about, especially after only being a member for 1 month.
 
I may have missed this, but what's ur age? If your under 25, keep going the natural way, just get something like a nutrient repartitioner. You'll eat more, hence get bigger. If ur over 25, run it only if uv'e exhusted every other natural option. One thing tho, get a SERM for sure if u do run it.
 
bashman said:
I was just going to ignore you and end this pointless argument but I don't appreciate people accusing me of lying. Here is my diet, meals are spaced eaten every 2.5 - 3hrs apart from meals 2 and 3 and some things changed around some days. I have even included Kcal, Protein, Carbs, Sugar, Far, Saturated Far breakdown. Taken from Excel.... you'll probably be saying I don't know how to train next.

1) 100g Oats + 300ml Semi-Milk + 15g Sultanas + 15g Cane Sugar + 25g Walnuts + 30g Bulk Whey

910 50 103 43 32.11 7.29

2) PWO Whey Shake 125 24 2 1.5 1.5 1

3) 140g Pasta + 200g Homepride Pasta Sauce + 100g Lean Mince Beef + Veg

860 48 100 12.4 25 9.16

4) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

5) 100g Oats + 25g Whey + 10g Coco + 300ml Milk + 15g Yolk Powder

765 50 87 15 24.17 10.94

6) 100g Brown Rice + 100g Tuna + Veg + 25ml Olive Oil

700 37.5 71 1 29.16 3.38

7) Home made Pesto (50g Cheese + 25ml Olive Oil + Spinach + Garlic Cloves) + 100g Chicken + Veg

670 41 8.85 4.45 51 8.78

KCAL 4795
PROTEIN 300.5
CARBS 458.85
SUGARS 92.35
FATS 187.11
SATURATED 51.49
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those look like shakes to me.... do you consider those meals?

and the fact that i have only been a member for a month doesnt mean a thing, id say i know as much as you do (probably more) as i am a nsca certified personal trainer....

im just trying to help you understand that you are on the small side for steroids... and i think many members that have been here alot longer than you, would agree with me...

i am only trying to let people know that they dont need steroids until theyre close to their genetic limit and OP im sorry you arent... as well as you, bashfull....


OH and the big thing... i also know how to apply my knowledge to my diet/workout - THIS IS WHY I AM NOT 160 LBS
 
darthdarek84 said:
I may have missed this, but what's ur age? If your under 25, keep going the natural way, just get something like a nutrient repartitioner. You'll eat more, hence get bigger. If ur over 25, run it only if uv'e exhusted every other natural option. One thing tho, get a SERM for sure if u do run it.
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^ this is what im talking about...








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