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CEL H-Drol Cycle w/ PCT

Eagleman003

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H-Drol ON CYCLE 1.5 Bottles
Week 1: 50mg
Week 2: 50mg
Week 3: 75mg
Week 4: 75mg
Week 5: 75mg

Week 0-6: Cycle Support @ 1.5 Scoops a Day

PCT OFF CYCLE
Week 1: (4 Post Cycle Support) + (600mg 6-OXO)
Week 2: (4 PCS) + (400mg 6-OXO)
Week 3: (4 PCS) + (400mg 6-OXO)
Week 4: (4 PCS) + (200mg 6-OXO)
Week 5: (100mg 6-OXO)
Week 6: (100mg 6-OXO)

No-Xplode and BCAAS and more Creatine in my PCT preworkout.

Gonna eat around 3,800 being that I'm 222lbs 6'4" @ 11%. Macro split is 43%C/35%P/22%F. I'm doing a 5 day rotation with workout so I hit each muscle one every 5 days. I will do around 9 sets per muscle. How much weight you guys think I will put on? I am hoping for between 7-10 lbs LEAN.
 
i dont think 600mg of trione is necessary 300 will suffice adn run it concurrently with the cycle and last few days of PCT just begin to taper it.
 
6-0x0 sucks. I read a study that the company can put just a sprinkle of the key ingredient or somethin, and technically still call it 6-0x0. Take testostolyze from species. it helps to stop test from converting into estrogen without completly shutting off the receptors. I'de recomend taking it durring cycle as well. It helps prevent the hormones from converting to E as well. Dave P tought me that i love it.
 
buster12 said:
6-0x0 sucks. I read a study that the company can put just a sprinkle of the key ingredient or somethin, and technically still call it 6-0x0. Take testostolyze from species. it helps to stop test from converting into estrogen without completly shutting off the receptors. I'de recomend taking it durring cycle as well. It helps prevent the hormones from converting to E as well. Dave P tought me that i love it.
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dude u know testostolyze is 6oxo and saw palmetto right?

great stuff,
 
buster12 said:
6-0x0 sucks. I read a study that the company can put just a sprinkle of the key ingredient or somethin, and technically still call it 6-0x0. Take testostolyze from species. it helps to stop test from converting into estrogen without completly shutting off the receptors. I'de recomend taking it durring cycle as well. It helps prevent the hormones from converting to E as well. Dave P tought me that i love it.
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Ergopharm is a trusted company. Testostolyze I am unfamiliar with but 6-OXO kills of estrogen in the body which is high Post Cycle. Also your recommendation of taking a PCT supplement during a H-Drol cycle is ridiculous since its a dry pro-hormone and probably wont convert to Estrogen.
 
Eagleman003 said:
Ergopharm is a trusted company. Testostolyze I am unfamiliar with but 6-OXO kills of estrogen in the body which is high Post Cycle. Also your recommendation of taking a PCT supplement during a H-Drol cycle is ridiculous since its a dry pro-hormone and probably wont convert to Estrogen.
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you dont exactly want to kill all estrogen, you just want to control it. h-drol is pretty mild anyways, i have never heard of anyone getting gyno from it. if it were me, i probably wouldn't go over 400mg of 6 oxo. something like starting week 3 of pct with 400mg of 6oxo, then ramp down 100mg each week, but thats just me.
 
heebs10 said:
you dont exactly want to kill all estrogen, you just want to control it. h-drol is pretty mild anyways, i have never heard of anyone getting gyno from it. if it were me, i probably wouldn't go over 400mg of 6 oxo. something like starting week 3 of pct with 400mg of 6oxo, then ramp down 100mg each week, but thats just me.
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Why would I want to start at week 3 in PCT as opposed to week 1 in PCT?
 
did u people read the baylor study??

NO CHANGES IN ESTRADIOL OR SHBG

Testostolyze is 6oxo and saw palmetto (and the 6oxo is FROM Pat, they worked together on this product)

no point in starting 6oxo later in the PCT because it doesnt change estradiol levels,

and people want to lower estrogen PCT because when you come off estrogen spikes to produce more testosterone,

people please read these studies BEFORE you answer something and give misleading information.

this is not to anyone inparticular, but read a little,

heres a little bit for you
 

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Eagleman003 said:
Ergopharm is a trusted company. Testostolyze I am unfamiliar with but 6-OXO kills of estrogen in the body which is high Post Cycle. Also your recommendation of taking a PCT supplement during a H-Drol cycle is ridiculous since its a dry pro-hormone and probably wont convert to Estrogen.
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your hormone levels are still out of wack and need to go back to normal, so PCT would be warrented,

i know many people who have gotten away with 3 caps ED for 3 weeks and come out fine no gyno or loss of strength, people can Run 6oxo as well, overkill on Hdrol is not nessecary.
300mg Trione and 25mg ATD should be all yhou need
 
YOU guys dont understand. You can take testostolyze durring and after cycle. Just take 3 pill a day. and take around a month off after 12 weeks of continual use. It is also way cheaper in the long run than 6- oxo. And yes i know the ingredients in testolyze but a well respeced doctor said that the amounts vary in egpharms product, and can techicall still call it 6-0x0. MY trainer gets me testostolyze and he has never steered me wrong.
 
crazyfool405 said:
did u people read the baylor study??

NO CHANGES IN ESTRADIOL OR SHBG

Testostolyze is 6oxo and saw palmetto (and the 6oxo is FROM Pat, they worked together on this product)

no point in starting 6oxo later in the PCT because it doesnt change estradiol levels,

and people want to lower estrogen PCT because when you come off estrogen spikes to produce more testosterone,

people please read these studies BEFORE you answer something and give misleading information.

this is not to anyone inparticular, but read a little,

heres a little bit for you
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I don't quite understand your statements. If there isn't any testosterone post cycle, then how is there an estrogen spike? If there is nothing to inhibit, then why start 6-oxo right away?

I don't think anyone wants to necessarily lower estrogen post cycle but merely regulate it as test increases.

6-oxo did not decrease estradiol levels but there was an increase in testosterone so I would assume inhibition occured.
 
buster12 said:
YOU guys dont understand. You can take testostolyze durring and after cycle. Just take 3 pill a day. and take around a month off after 12 weeks of continual use. It is also way cheaper in the long run than 6- oxo. And yes i know the ingredients in testolyze but a well respeced doctor said that the amounts vary in egpharms product, and can techicall still call it 6-0x0. MY trainer gets me testostolyze and he has never steered me wrong.
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of course you can take it on and off cycle,

ergo pharm doesnt have varying amounts, its always the same
 
dfohio said:
I don't quite understand your statements. If there isn't any testosterone post cycle, then how is there an estrogen spike? If there is nothing to inhibit, then why start 6-oxo right away?

I don't think anyone wants to necessarily lower estrogen post cycle but merely regulate it as test increases.

6-oxo did not decrease estradiol levels but there was an increase in testosterone so I would assume inhibition occured.
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when you come off cycle estrogen is higher then test levels,

your body produces more estrogen to help increase test and make a balance.

by lowering it slightly increaseing testosterone and minimizing conversion of test to estrogen, you will have a successful PCT
 
How is estrogen high coming off cycle? Isn't estrogen just as low especially if using a non aromatizing compound.
 
dfohio said:
How is estrogen high coming off cycle? Isn't estrogen just as low especially if using a non aromatizing compound.
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estrogen will stay the same ans test will be lower then it,

steroid hormones will increase coming off cycle (estrogen as well) which is what needs to be balanced.

this is an excerpt from BIG CAT

But few users really understand how Clomid (and also Nolvadex, logically) works to bring back natural testosterone in the body after the conclusion of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. After a cycle is over, the level of androgens in the body drop drastically. The body compensates with an overproduction of estrogen to keep steroid levels up. Estrogen as well inhibits the production of natural testosterone, and in the period between the return of natural testosterone and the end of a cycle, a lot of mass is lost. So its in everybody's best interest to bring back natural test as soon as humanly possible. Clomid and Nolvadex will reduce the post-cycle estrogen, so that a steroid deficiency is constated and the hypothalamus is stimulated to regenerate natural testosterone production in the body. That's basically how the mechanism works, nothing more, nothing less.
 
crazyfool405 said:
estrogen will stay the same ans test will be lower then it,

steroid hormones will increase coming off cycle (estrogen as well) which is what needs to be balanced.
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I'm not asking you your opinion but more of questioning your responses. Estrogen is going to be just as shut down as testosterone coming off cycle. Hence the typical dry joints in a non aromatizing compound. If the body has an exogenous source then it is going to stop producing its own. If test isn't being produced then how is there going to be substantial estrogen floating around?
 
dfohio said:
I'm not asking you your opinion but more of questioning your responses. Estrogen is going to be just as shut down as testosterone coming off cycle. Hence the typical dry joints in a non aromatizing compound. If the body has an exogenous source then it is going to stop producing its own. If test isn't being produced then how is there going to be substantial estrogen floating around?
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dude non aromatizing means NO CONVERSION TO ESTROGEN. so estrogen levels will remain the same.

i edited the post read it again, test will be dramatically low estrogen will remain some what unchanged.

your bolded statement is just wrong IMO
 
I was just making an example with the non aromatizing compound. If there is no conversion to estrogen with the exogenous compound and there is a lack of estrogen in the body then side effects will start to occur i.e. dry joints. I have seen bloodwork where estradiol was uncountable.
 
Guys, there are no easy clear cut answers in this case. Different people respond in ways that define logic sometimes. As far as estrogen staying relatively the same with nonaromatic compounds might be the rule, but there are certainly exceptions. One thing that I can add is that no matter what, when you throw AAS into your body, your whole endocrine system gets thrown out of whack on many levels. I've seen some strange sh!t happen to some people, and I have realized that you just can't predict the outcome of taking steroids. All you can do is plan, research, and be ready for the unexpected. Eagle, if this is your first halo run, I'd suggest some taurine and extra hawthorn berries added to the stack. I'm amidst my first run, and it has helped tremendously. So far I've had excellent fat loss with little sides, just some fluctuations in bp, anxiety at times, and random aches and pains, but those things go with the territory. Best of luck.
 
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