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Careful with that AX! Pheraplex Log

celc5 said:
Ya I think a pound or 2 was water weight. It made my abs look leaner right away in the first week of post cycle. I think I've also lost a pound or 2 of fat and maybe 1-2 pounds of the lean mass as well. All are estimates of course.

No, I didn't have mental fog with halo. I did have lethargy, but I think it was more of a "burned out" feeling. My life was considerably more stressful during that cycle. The lethargy subsided after the first week of post cycle therapy after the halo cycle, which is why I'm confused about how long it's lasting this time around.

I have been using eform for 2 or 3 years on and off with stacks, etc etc. It was sold out when I was planning my cycle so I went with the bulk this time around. What a pain in the asss!
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Hey Celc5---Have you ever made up your own formestane before? I thought you had. I didn't think you have always used the pre-made e-form? I know I'm probably gonna be preaching to the choir, but here's the no fail, easy way I do it. Pour penetrate into glass jar(I use a mason jar). In a pot of water that has cooled a few minutes from boiling, place the glass jar of penetrate into it for a couple of minutes until it is starting to get hot to the touch. SLOWLY add in your bulk form a gram at a time and stir for a couple of minutes. Repeat a gram at a time and stir until all five grams are into it. Stir or shake every couple of minutes(You may have to turn the heat back on the stove down on low to medium to keep it how enough to dissolve the form. Stir or shake for about 20 minutes and voila!! No crash and no sandy grit! Every time!:wave: Oh yeah, I always add 5 grams of trione to mine. ALWAYS!:thumbsup:
 
Ha, I had a few experiences here and there, especially at the Allman Brothers concerts and at the frats in college :lol: Honestly, I pretty much just lost interest in it when I finished college though.

Thunder, I mixed my own form once before. Actually, it turned out fantastically this time. I got the 8oz with 5 grams to last about 5 weeks total before it tanked.

I had a weird "clumping" effect this time around. I think I waited too long to reheat when it began to clump around mid week. I usually reheat every Monday to be sure things are in order, pretty much the exact same way as you explained. What happened this time though is that by waiting too long, I used too much carrier this week with less active. When I tried to reheat today, what was left over was oversaturated. I figured to only have about 8-10 days left anyway so it's no big deal.
 
thundergod said:
Hey Celc5---Have you ever made up your own formestane before? I thought you had. I didn't think you have always used the pre-made e-form? I know I'm probably gonna be preaching to the choir, but here's the no fail, easy way I do it. Pour penetrate into glass jar(I use a mason jar). In a pot of water that has cooled a few minutes from boiling, place the glass jar of penetrate into it for a couple of minutes until it is starting to get hot to the touch. SLOWLY add in your bulk form a gram at a time and stir for a couple of minutes. Repeat a gram at a time and stir until all five grams are into it. Stir or shake every couple of minutes(You may have to turn the heat back on the stove down on low to medium to keep it how enough to dissolve the form. Stir or shake for about 20 minutes and voila!! No crash and no sandy grit! Every time!:wave: Oh yeah, I always add 5 grams of trione to mine. ALWAYS!:thumbsup:
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Im a bit confused from all this crash talk?? :think:

I didnt know that it could fall out of solution beyond being just mixed right back in?? whats the difference between form and 4-ad when it comes to this subject?

if you look into your penetrate and its clear across the top and white at the bottom then has it crashed? why cant you just mix it back up with a marble or something?

Like I said im confused about this cause theres guys that have kept transderm 4-ad and other stuff since preban and never heard of em just going bad or "crashing" being an issue beyond being solvable.
 
poopypants said:
Im a bit confused from all this crash talk?? :think:

I didnt know that it could fall out of solution beyond being just mixed right back in?? whats the difference between form and 4-ad when it comes to this subject?

if you look into your penetrate and its clear across the top and white at the bottom then has it crashed? why cant you just mix it back up with a marble or something?

Like I said im confused about this cause theres guys that have kept transderm 4-ad and other stuff since preban and never heard of em just going bad or "crashing" being an issue beyond being solvable.
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There's a couple sides to this story. Some things stay in solution better than others. It just so happens that formestane crashes quite frequently. It's never happened to me, but some even say that eform crashes on occasion.

In my situation, I think I used some carrier this past week that had less active that was a little bit clumped. This left the solvent percentage higher than the saturation point. So it's not that it wasn't salvagable because of crashing, what was left over was simply over saturated. There would have been no possible way to add carrier and still have accurate dosing. So, I figured there was less than 1g left, so I just scrapped it.

With your compound, I just suggest having extra carrier in case this happens because your compound is more valuable than a gram or so of formestane.
 
celc5 said:
There's a couple sides to this story. Some things stay in solution better than others. It just so happens that formestane crashes quite frequently. It's never happened to me, but some even say that eform crashes on occasion.

In my situation, I think I used some carrier this past week that had less active that was a little bit clumped. This left the solvent percentage higher than the saturation point. So it's not that it wasn't salvagable because of crashing, what was left over was simply over saturated. There would have been no possible way to add carrier and still have accurate dosing. So, I figured there was less than 1g left, so I just scrapped it.

With your compound, I just suggest having extra carrier in case this happens because your compound is more valuable than a gram or so of formestane.
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Celc-- I would have used it anyway. I don't think you would have gotten an over-dose on formestane. But that's me. A cheap and frugal bastard!:twisted:
 
thundergod said:
Celc-- I would have used it anyway. I don't think you would have gotten an over-dose on formestane. But that's me. A cheap and frugal bastard!:twisted:
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The funny thing is, I DID use it all clumped up for a few days. I'd try to guess what 1/16th teaspoon (somewhere around 120mg) would look like. Then I'd gauge dosage based on the intensity of the "rush" I got. It was fun for a day or 2 but I decided it's not intelligent to do in post cycle therapy :numbered:
 
celc5 said:
The funny thing is, I DID use it all clumped up for a few days. I'd try to guess what 1/16th teaspoon (somewhere around 120mg) would look like. Then I'd gauge dosage based on the intensity of the "rush" I got. It was fun for a day or 2 but I decided it's not intelligent to do in post cycle therapy :numbered:
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I understand man. I'm just freaking crazy like that. I wouldn't care if it was 200 mg. per day until used up. But like I said, I'm crazy that way. Oh yeah, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail!" :hammer: The Thundergod!
 
celc5 said:
There's a couple sides to this story. Some things stay in solution better than others. It just so happens that formestane crashes quite frequently. It's never happened to me, but some even say that eform crashes on occasion.

In my situation, I think I used some carrier this past week that had less active that was a little bit clumped. This left the solvent percentage higher than the saturation point. So it's not that it wasn't salvagable because of crashing, what was left over was simply over saturated. There would have been no possible way to add carrier and still have accurate dosing. So, I figured there was less than 1g left, so I just scrapped it.

With your compound, I just suggest having extra carrier in case this happens because your compound is more valuable than a gram or so of formestane.
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well I got like 20g's spread between two bottles of penetrate right now, I dont need all that "going bad" on me outta no where and lose my entire planned cycle... you think it will hold for another month for me to start it and then for the 8 weeks ill be taking it?

I do have two more bottles of penetrate just in case but id prefer not to dilute it with more carrier and have to try to guess dosing... besides dont want to be puttin like ml's of this stuff everywhere.... im already gonna be dosing like 150-200mg 2x ed thats like 3-5ml everytime and im limited to my legs and core cause I have contact with my lil boy and wifey
 
poopypants said:
well I got like 20g's spread between two bottles of penetrate right now, I dont need all that "going bad" on me outta no where and lose my entire planned cycle... you think it will hold for another month for me to start it and then for the 8 weeks ill be taking it?

I do have two more bottles of penetrate just in case but id prefer not to dilute it with more carrier and have to try to guess dosing... besides dont want to be puttin like ml's of this stuff everywhere.... im already gonna be dosing like 150-200mg 2x ed thats like 3-5ml everytime and im limited to my legs and core cause I have contact with my lil boy and wifey
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Poopy---I've mixed formestane quite a few times now and I DON'T think yours is gonna go "bad" in a few months even! When you decide to start taking it a month from now, you might just want to re-heat it back in your glass jar(not boiling of course), let it cool to room temp and pour back into your penetrate bottle. Or at least I do. Some people leave it in their glass jar with the lid on. I use a mason jar, used for canning. Your form will be fine!:thumbsup:
 
thundergod said:
Poopy---I've mixed formestane quite a few times now and I DON'T think yours is gonna go "bad" in a few months even! When you decide to start taking it a month from now, you might just want to re-heat it back in your glass jar(not boiling of course), let it cool to room temp and pour back into your penetrate bottle. Or at least I do. Some people leave it in their glass jar with the lid on. I use a mason jar, used for canning. Your form will be fine!:thumbsup:
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oh its not form brudda :twisted:

its some tastey 4-somethin or other.... :D
 
poopypants said:
oh its not form brudda :twisted:

its some tastey 4-somethin or other.... :D
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My bad, Poopy! But still "4 sumthin or udder" is still gonna be fine . Do the same thing I said as before. Before you start to use it, try re-heating it first. I think this helps it IMHO!:thumbsup:
 
pistonpump said:
nuff formestane talk! :lol:
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C'Mon Piston, Please! We all love formesatne!:food: It's delicious! Actually though, we were talking about "sum 4 sumthin or udder"!!:wave:
 
thundergod said:
Yeah, I was saying,"Moooore Formestane please!":rofl:
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Wow...nice to see the formestane love! Back in the day you could buy it by the kilo from Bulk Nutrition. In fact, it''s still listed on the site (although not available)!

Incidentally, back in the mad scientist days when I did lots of transdermal cycles, I always brewed up some messy experiments; sometimes the 1T, 4AD, 4OHT or whatever never even dissolved! One cycle I even used to put the powders in my hand, add some solution, and just rub it in! Granted, it's a far more barbaric style, and not necessarily reommended. Never once had a problem with it not working, though. Bottom line is that t/d application is so much better for overall efficacy than ingesting orally (for some of these compounds) that even if it's messy, lots of it gets in your system!!! :thumbsup:
 
milwood said:
Wow...nice to see the formestane love! Back in the day you could buy it by the kilo from Bulk Nutrition. In fact, it''s still listed on the site (although not available)!

Incidentally, back in the mad scientist days when I did lots of transdermal cycles, I always brewed up some messy experiments; sometimes the 1T, 4AD, 4OHT or whatever never even dissolved! One cycle I even used to put the powders in my hand, add some solution, and just rub it in! Granted, it's a far more barbaric style, and not necessarily reommended. Never once had a problem with it not working, though. Bottom line is that t/d application is so much better for overall efficacy than ingesting orally (for some of these compounds) that even if it's messy, lots of it gets in your system!!! :thumbsup:
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I hear you Bro! I actually have never even tried oral 6-oxo or formestane. Transdermal is the lonly way to go with these 2 for sure! Why settle for 5-10% absorption when you can get 30-40% with a transdermal? Why waste it just so you can:food: it?
 
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