Can't dial in my ai during cruise. Help

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So came off a mini blast 200 test 200 mast and 100 mg tren. In my second week of cruise dose. Currently am cruising in 150 mgs split twice weekly with 12.5 mg aromasin on pin days.

Now previously after coming off a cycle last year I Went to cruise dose of 200 test c with aromasin 12.5 mg twice a week on pin days. Got bloods month after.

Test 1180
Ultra sens e2 64

Dropped test to 180 mg and kept ai dosage the same and got labs done weeks later.

E2 now dropped to 32. Have slight achy joints when I take it but eliminated puffy nips. Felt like I didn't get as pumped when I worked out though.

So this cruise I dropped it even lower to 150 mgs. So not sure what my ai protocol should be. So far I'm in my 2nd week of cruise. Just got boofdwork done waiting on the results. Just pinned yesterday So not sure if I should continue the 12.5 mg aromasin protocol until then? Just feel like that is a lot and don't really want to take an ai my whole life not sure if has any negative health sides. What do you guys think?
 
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So came off a mini blast 200 test 200 mast and 100 mg tren. In my second week of cruise dose. Currently am cruising in 150 mgs split twice weekly with 12.5 mg aromasin on pin days.

Now previously after coming off a cycle last year I Went to cruise dose of 200 test c with aromasin 12.5 mg twice a week on pin days. Got bloods month after.

Test 1180
Ultra sens e2 64

Dropped test to 180 mg and kept ai dosage the same and got labs done weeks later.

E2 now dropped to 32. Have slight achy joints when I take it but eliminated puffy nips. Felt like I didn't get as pumped when I worked out though.

So this cruise I dropped it even lower to 150 mgs. So not sure what my ai protocol should be. So far I'm in my 2nd week of cruise. Just got boofdwork done waiting on the results. Just pinned yesterday So not sure if I should continue the 12.5 mg aromasin protocol until then? Just feel like that is a lot and don't really want to take an ai my whole life not sure if has any negative health sides. What do you guys think?
Did you go straight from the cycle to the cruise dose or did you stop pinning for a few weeks first and then start cruising.

If you didn't wait then you probably still have a bunch of hormones in your system still and you need to let everything come down to baseline before your probably gonna get dialed back in
 

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Did you go straight from the cycle to the cruise dose or did you stop pinning for a few weeks first and then start cruising.

If you didn't wait then you probably still have a bunch of hormones in your system still and you need to let everything come down to baseline before your probably gonna get dialed back in
All the blood work numbers I posted were months after my cycles.
 
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My bodyfat is over 25% and I would only take 12.5mg Exemestane once a week with 150mg split over 2 shots, maximum. Everyone is different, but I just want to note that I have plenty of aromatase enzyme so I’m not some ripped outlier giving out advice that may not apply to someone fatter like myself.

If your joints ache and you’re noticing being flatter/poor pumps & fullness, your estrogen is too low for a cruise. Furthermore, if my total test was near 1200 then 60 Ultrasensitive estradiol would actually be low for what I would personally desire. E2 is cardio and neuroprotective, it maintains lipids, pads and repairs joint tissue, is important for libido, muscle fullness and maximal anabolism and strength. Even if it gives me more acne/oily skin, I try to let it run as high as I can that won’t bother existing gyno.

I would try taking the Exem once a week with one of your shots. If you find that’s too little, I would consider going to 3 shots a week before I would consider more AI, for the reasons I stated. If that’s not a good lifestyle option or if it’s not sufficient to control estrogen conversion, I would next try dosing my AI every other shot, so about 3 times over 2 weeks. This can get tricky to remember so keep a note/log of when you last took it.
 

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My bodyfat is over 25% and I would only take 12.5mg Exemestane once a week with 150mg split over 2 shots, maximum. Everyone is different, but I just want to note that I have plenty of aromatase enzyme so I’m not some ripped outlier giving out advice that may not apply to someone fatter like myself.

If your joints ache and you’re noticing being flatter/poor pumps & fullness, your estrogen is too low for a cruise. Furthermore, if my total test was near 1200 then 60 Ultrasensitive estradiol would actually be low for what I would personally desire. E2 is cardio and neuroprotective, it maintains lipids, pads and repairs joint tissue, is important for libido, muscle fullness and maximal anabolism and strength. Even if it gives me more acne/oily skin, I try to let it run as high as I can that won’t bother existing gyno.

I would try taking the Exem once a week with one of your shots. If you find that’s too little, I would consider going to 3 shots a week before I would consider more AI, for the reasons I stated. If that’s not a good lifestyle option or if it’s not sufficient to control estrogen conversion, I would next try dosing my AI every other shot, so about 3 times over 2 weeks. This can get tricky to remember so keep a note/log of when you last took it.
Thanks man a lot of good info. So yea currently my pin days are 75 mg Tues and Friday with ai dose wed and sat. So I'm due for my ai today should I just skip it or dose it at 6.25 mgs for today?

Also should I maybe just do one shot a week with my ai once a week?
 
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Thanks man a lot of good info. So yea currently my pin days are 75 mg Tues and Friday with ai dose wed and sat. So I'm due for my ai today should I just skip it or dose it at 6.25 mgs for today?

Also should I maybe just do one shot a week with my ai once a week?
Personally, if you are already having low Estrogen issues, I would skip today's AI dose.

And I would also stick with twice a week pins.
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Personally, if you are already having low Estrogen issues, I would skip today's AI dose.

And I would also stick with twice a week pins.
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Yea only issue I have is the cracking bones a few days after my dose. Otherwise feel pretty good. What do you suggest the best way to dose it is then until labs come in? 6.25 mg twice a week or 12.5 mg once a week?
 
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Yea only issue I have is the cracking bones a few days after my dose. Otherwise feel pretty good. What do you suggest the best way to dose it is then until labs come in? 6.25 mg twice a week or 12.5 mg once a week?
Personally, I'd skip a dose, and then 6.25mg twice a week (if your labs will be here soon).
.... You may only need 6.25 once a week.....
 

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Personally, I'd skip a dose, and then 6.25mg twice a week (if your labs will be here soon).
.... You may only need 6.25 once a week.....
Thanks man. My stuff is ugl in capsules. So I can open them and the powder is inside. Should I just try to separate it the best I can evenly?
 
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I think the main point is that, you don't treat the number that the labs give you, you treat the sides.

If you're getting high estrogen sides, you should treat them, but there's plenty of guys here that have said many times that they prefer to have their estrogen run high when they're pinning test, so long as they aren't getting sides that they don't like.

Estrogen isn't bad for you (as Hyde pointed out), unless it gets too high and actually becomes a problem.
 
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Thanks man. My stuff is ugl in capsules. So I can open them and the powder is inside. Should I just try to separate it the best I can evenly?
Yep.
I've done it. It works.
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I think the main point is that, you don't treat the number that the labs give you, you treat the sides.

If you're getting high estrogen sides, you should treat them, but there's plenty of guys here that have said many times that they prefer to have their estrogen run high when they're pinning test, so long as they aren't getting sides that they don't like.

Estrogen isn't bad for you (as Hyde pointed out), unless it gets too high and actually becomes a problem.
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So still waiting for my test levels to come back but my e2 came back at 12. And that was 36 hours after my dose so probably initially lower. Explains the decrease in libido and achy joints. So my plan is it to drop the ai and continue with 150 mgs of test as long as my test levels look to be in a good range. Then retest in about 5 weeks.
 
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So still waiting for my test levels to come back but my e2 came back at 12. And that was 36 hours after my dose so probably initially lower. Explains the decrease in libido and achy joints. So my plan is it to drop the ai and continue with 150 mgs of test as long as my test levels look to be in a good range. Then retest in about 5 weeks.
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Usually twice.
I don't have time to look at your specifics at the moment. I'm heading to a job.
 

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For what it's worth I pin test e twice a week. Monday and Thursday mornings half cc each time and it seems to work great for me. I mean everyday is gonna give you the most stable levels I just think it's too much of a hassle and I still believe aas should be done IM with a 1.5 inch needle
 
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Twice a week keeps me feeling the most consistent in my energy, mood, libido.

Once a week works alright for me, but it seems like I get more acne that way and notice more of a surge & drop in how I feel as the week progresses (which is part of the point of actual TRT, to optimize sense of wellbeing).

For what it's worth I pin test e twice a week. Monday and Thursday mornings half cc each time and it seems to work great for me. I mean everyday is gonna give you the most stable levels I just think it's too much of a hassle and I still believe aas should be done IM with a 1.5 inch needle
Man you do not need 1.5” to hit delts, pecs and quads sufficiently deep! If you’re happy, keep on doing your thing, but how deep it gets doesn’t change the net effect or amount of bloodflow to that muscle (which impacts absorption rate).
 

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Usually twice.
I don't have time to look at your specifics at the moment. I'm heading to a job.
Thanks. Still waiting on my test levels but my shbg came back at 20. Never got that tested before and don't know all too much about it. Is that good or bad haha?
 

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Twice a week keeps me feeling the most consistent in my energy, mood, libido.

Once a week works alright for me, but it seems like I get more acne that way and notice more of a surge & drop in how I feel as the week progresses (which is part of the point of actual TRT, to optimize sense of wellbeing).



Man you do not need 1.5” to hit delts, pecs and quads sufficiently deep! If you’re happy, keep on doing your thing, but how deep it gets doesn’t change the net effect or amount of bloodflow to that muscle (which impacts absorption rate).
Should been more precise. I use that for glutes and vg in no way would you need that fir delts or pecs that would be brutal.
 
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Thanks. Still waiting on my test levels but my shbg came back at 20. Never got that tested before and don't know all too much about it. Is that good or bad haha?
One thing you should always look for, when you get any test results is they should also include a Reference Range with the results. That'll help, because all test results and ranges aren't the same.
 

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One thing you should always look for, when you get any test results is they should also include a Reference Range with the results. That'll help, because all test results and ranges aren't the same.
Got it!


So the ones were looking at are the ones with Sept 22 under them only
 

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Cool!

A SHBG of 20, on a scale of 10-50 actually sounds pretty good to me.
Thanks man for taking the time. So seems like I should drop my ai completely. Now based off this stick to 150 mgs or bump up to 175 mgs? Then I'll retest in like 5 weeks. Also using ugl so dosing could be off between vials.
 
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Thanks man for taking the time. So seems like I should drop my ai completely. Now based off this stick to 150 mgs or bump up to 175 mgs? Then I'll retest in like 5 weeks. Also using ugl so dosing could be off between vials.
Any time brother.
Yeah, you could bump it a little, if you like.
 
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Thanks man for taking the time. So seems like I should drop my ai completely. Now based off this stick to 150 mgs or bump up to 175 mgs? Then I'll retest in like 5 weeks. Also using ugl so dosing could be off between vials.
You can probably drop it completely. That is ideal, and I would try it. If you start to get gyno symptoms, that’s basically the only way I would re-introduce it. You will probably be safe with that small of a dosage bump as well, just to mirror Renew’s opinion.
 

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I agree with what Hyde said, I'd try dropping it.
(That's what I'd do if I were in your shoes).
Sounds good. I'll drop it then get tested again in 5 weeks. See where it puts me. Thanks again bro.

Any otc stuff that can help with water bloat. I know stopping the ai it'll be in my head that my face and belly is getting fatter haha.
 
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Sounds good. I'll drop it then get tested again in 5 weeks. See where it puts me. Thanks again bro.

Any otc stuff that can help with water bloat. I know stopping the ai it'll be in my head that my face and belly is getting fatter haha.
Lowering sodium, upping potassium (this could be as simple as switching to Morton Lite Salt instead of straight salt), spending a little time in the sauna, keeping water intake higher, occasional use of diuretics like dandelion root, routine consumption of a b complex & Vit c.
 

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Lowering sodium, upping potassium (this could be as simple as switching to Morton Lite Salt instead of straight salt), spending a little time in the sauna, keeping water intake higher, occasional use of diuretics like dandelion root, routine consumption of a b complex & Vit c.
Thanks man appreciate the help. Someone was telling me try one dose of 150 mg once a week with 12.5 mg aromasin on that pin day? That sound better or stick to the two doses of test split and no ai for a bit ?

Would the iml e control be something to look at as well?
 
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Thanks man appreciate the help. Someone was telling me try one dose of 150 mg once a week with 12.5 mg aromasin on that pin day? That sound better or stick to the two doses of test split and no ai for a bit ?

Would the iml e control be something to look at as well?
Don’t rely on otc stuff IMO. You are taking drugs because drugs work. They are cheaper, reliable, and work much better.

I would stick with the 2 shots per week. This almost always results in less E2 vs a bigger single shot, and it’s what you are used to. Then see what bloods say and go from there.
 

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Don’t rely on otc stuff IMO. You are taking drugs because drugs work. They are cheaper, reliable, and work much better.

I would stick with the 2 shots per week. This almost always results in less E2 vs a bigger single shot, and it’s what you are used to. Then see what bloods say and go from there.
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Makes sense thanks man. If I start noticing high e2 sides, puffy nips, water retention, etc, I would try just one dose of the aromasin. When would be a good time to take it? In between both shots, day of one of the pins?
 

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Don’t rely on otc stuff IMO. You are taking drugs because drugs work. They are cheaper, reliable, and work much better.

I would stick with the 2 shots per week. This almost always results in less E2 vs a bigger single shot, and it’s what you are used to. Then see what bloods say and go from there.
Makes sense thanks man. If I start noticing high e2 sides, puffy nips, water retention, etc, I would try just one dose of the aromasin. When would be a good time to take it? In between both shots, day of one of the pins?
 
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Makes sense thanks man. If I start noticing high e2 sides, puffy nips, water retention, etc, I would try just one dose of the aromasin. When would be a good time to take it? In between both shots, day of one of the pins?
Day of shot is ideal
 

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