Can someone help me identify if this is gyno

cfisher52986

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Hey guys . I know these posts probably annoy some of you but I think it’s reasonable to ask . It’s my first time using test and I’m about 18 weeks in . I started low and worked my way up to about 500 per week. Once or twice my nipples got a little itchy and I took some arimidex. I found that the ai made me feel like crap ( couldn’t sleep at all , joints hurt )so I did not continue it. Nipples went back to feeling fine so I kept the cycle going . Got blood work a couple months in and E2 was at 80 and I felt ok - continued with no AI.
So now nipples are feeling a little funny again - does this look like possible gyno , or beginning of gyno? Does this warrant taking nolvadex or arimidex ?
I am probably going to go down to TRT for now , do more research and prepare for another cycle down the road.
Thanks to any of you who take the time to give me serious answers! I am trying to build as much knowledge as possible so I can continue with more cycles down the road.. but definitely feel like I need to figure out the E2 and gyno stuff before I do .
I feel like I might just have a fat and undeveloped chest - but concerned that it is gyno
 

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I might be wrong but First pic looks like visible gyno to me (very early stages). 1 visible lump to the side of each nipple
 
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@MrKleen73 or @Hyde might have insight. mine have done that a few times over the past few years, itching got so bad at one point I woke up scratching myself in my sleep until I was basically bleeding. Mine actually went away on it's own and anytime I notice any itch I honestly am lucky enough to get by with natty stuff like xpg alpha gel. I also notice mine get like that if I've been drinking too much alcohol. but my PED use is very minor and no test. so those guys might have more feedback.
 
Also I should add that I don’t feel any type of lumps or growths. There is sort of extra skin or fat around my nipples that folds a little bit when I flex which is seen in the pics
 
cfisher52986 said:
Hey guys . I know these posts probably annoy some of you but I think it’s reasonable to ask . It’s my first time using test and I’m about 18 weeks in . I started low and worked my way up to about 500 per week. Once or twice my nipples got a little itchy and I took some arimidex. I found that the ai made me feel like crap ( couldn’t sleep at all , joints hurt )so I did not continue it. Nipples went back to feeling fine so I kept the cycle going . Got blood work a couple months in and E2 was at 80 and I felt ok - continued with no AI.
So now nipples are feeling a little funny again - does this look like possible gyno , or beginning of gyno? Does this warrant taking nolvadex or arimidex ?
I am probably going to go down to TRT for now , do more research and prepare for another cycle down the road.
Thanks to any of you who take the time to give me serious answers! I am trying to build as much knowledge as possible so I can continue with more cycles down the road.. but definitely feel like I need to figure out the E2 and gyno stuff before I do .
I feel like I might just have a fat and undeveloped chest - but concerned that it is gyno
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It’s hard to tell, it could be. If it is, it’s early and probably minor. Ralox (Raloxifene) would knock it right out, if it is, and isn’t too hard on the system. And Ralox is something good to have on hand for a cycle, just in case.
 
Joshlm69 said:
I might be wrong but First pic looks like visible gyno to me (very early stages). 1 visible lump to the side of each nipple
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Correct, spot on.

Nothing egregious, very common stuff, but you should take a little AI having it if you feel anything itchy or pain, or see significant swelling it doesn’t progress ever.

On 500 test/wk, assuming it’s accurately dosed/legit, an 80 e2/estradiol is probably great for many guys. BUT it’s still all individual response, and it certainly could have risen again since your last pull if you had used an AI prior to that blood draw to knock it down some. You may well need a little here and there to keep things happy. Like a dose every other week even.

If you can get the blood draw in a few days and it’s not bothering you, do that before you take the Exemestane. If it’s going to be a bit and you are feeling it, do not wait.
 
gphagan1 said:
It’s hard to tell, it could be. If it is, it’s early and probably minor. Ralox (Raloxifene) would knock it right out, if it is, and isn’t too hard on the system. And Ralox is something good to have on hand for a cycle, just in case.
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Thanks for the input bro. I got the bottle of arimidex from the start but over looked ralox - definitely going to grab some .
 
cfisher52986 said:
Thanks for the input bro. I got the bottle of arimidex from the start but over looked ralox - definitely going to grab some .
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I missed that you said arimidex/anastrazole. Get Exemestane. It’s suicidal so when it binds to the aromatase enzyme it’s gone for good. Arimidex eventually falls off and lets the enzyme become available to bind to testosterone again.

So Exemestane is ideal for random or spot use, while arimidex needs to be used in a more consistent schedule. Exem can just be dosed on feel really. It’s not quite as powerful but it works very well and doesn’t hit lipids nearly as hard.
 
Hyde said:
I missed that you said arimidex/anastrazole. Get Exemestane. It’s suicidal so when it binds to the aromatase enzyme it’s gone for good. Arimidex eventually falls off and lets the enzyme become available to bind to testosterone again.

So Exemestane is ideal for random or spot use, while arimidex needs to be used in a more consistent schedule. Exem can just be dosed on feel really. It’s not quite as powerful but it works very well and doesn’t hit lipids nearly as hard.
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Thank you, I have looked into both of these but I was confused about what each was better suited for . Your explanation was very helpful 🙏
 
@Hyde what are your thoughts on adding mast to aid in combating estrogen sides, like gyno? DHT has such a high affinity for the estrogen receptor, it should also be quite effective at reducing gyno symptoms, without squashing estrogen.
 
i have had itchy puffy r nipple w hard lump underneath even with normal estradiol before, usually if i lower my carbs and cut out caffeine it fixes it
 
cfisher52986 said:
Interesting .. any ideas why carbs or.caffeine would have any effect on E2?
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caffeine can inhibit the clearance of estrogen in the liver (via p450) - this is the same mechanism that breaks down caffeine and estrogen.
 
xz010101 said:
The musclegelz androhard doesn't even need to be applied to your chest, good for circulating estrogen too.
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If you like AndroHard, you should really look at Ultra Hard by Iconic Formulations - 25% more androsterone and almost 8x more epiandro per application
 
delsolrob said:
@Hyde what are your thoughts on adding mast to aid in combating estrogen sides, like gyno? DHT has such a high affinity for the estrogen receptor, it should also be quite effective at reducing gyno symptoms, without squashing estrogen.
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It definitely works if you take enough for the amount of estrogen you have circulating. The big consideration is that it acts much more like a SERM that dries things out some. So if e2 is left high, you can still get some high estrogen issues like increased acne. Water retention is mitigated somewhat, and erectile function & libido in a high estrogen environment is restored, but because estrogen is still high, prolactin can still elevate a bit easier if given reason to. Mast works against prolactin, but a high estro environment does allow it to raise much moreso. Mast is great when you want to reduce AI use, or in a stack that uses nandrolone.

I like it, I have used it half my oil cycles probably - I’m even on it right now (300/300 test/mast). But I do not believe it’s any healthier for lipids than using Exemestane to control estrogen based on my bloodwork, or primo or EQ to act as the AI. It’s just a solid stack addition in small or big doses to help offset the chest sensitivity.

Topical Andro/Epiandro like you mentioned is a great option for guys who don’t pin, as is RAD/testolone as an oral option. There is literature to support that as well as it did exactly that the times I’ve used it. Also protects the prostate as it binds powerfully there without activation.

So I just want to relate that all AIs aren’t the devil, and every other means to lower estrogen or antagonize the estrogen receptors will still have some effect on lipids (whether because either estrogen is lowered anyway, and/or more androgens get added, or it’s an oral medication).
 
delsolrob said:
If you like AndroHard, you should really look at Ultra Hard by Iconic Formulations - 25% more androsterone and almost 8x more epiandro per application
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Agreed here! A lot of solid reviews on Ultra Hard as well!
 
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