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Calorie Deficit OR Low Carb

I'm saying it is beneficial to eat post workout. People who do fasted cardio will fast before the workout not after. Like I said earlier though , meal timing isn't as important until it's the last 5%

I believe I am at about 22% so the workouts in the AM fasted might not hinder. I might try next month to switch all my training to 5pm and see how that works and if I notice a difference!? Would you suggest doing the 2 sessions of HIIT fasted in the mornings still?
 
FitBit normally says about 2,200 calories a day. Thats not including my weight lifting session. Sometimes it goes up to 2,600.

Why do I IF?

It's easy AF to diet is basically what it comes down to. I notice when I eat breakfast I am A LOT more hungry through out the day and have a hard time controlling my hunger. I consume majority of my carbs after 4pm because they fill me up. So its basically an eating pattern that I enjoy while cutting. I eat 1650kcal but some days I probably could eat 1400kcal because I eat small meals frequent and get full but I know those calories would be too low.

I believe I am at about 22% so the workouts in the AM fasted might not hinder. I might try next month to switch all my training to 5pm and see how that works and if I notice a difference!? Would you suggest doing the 2 sessions of HIIT fasted in the mornings still?

Ok, so....I am extreme and don't expect anyone to follow me to a T but here are my thoughts and experiences and hopefully knowing I survived will give you the confidence to do what YOU think you need to do.

I am male, 187, was down to 165 in November, been fat all my life. I was 300 pounds like I said. I cut on as little as 600 calories/day. So...1400 isn't too little. It isn't NECESSARY - but you can certainly do it. It isn't like a 500 calorie deficit is OK and 700 will ruin you.

Second, if you aren't seeing results, you are eating more than you think or burning less than you think or both. Measure, weigh, and track everything to a T. Make sure you aren't under estimating what you eat. It is REALLY easy to eat 200-300 calories without thinking about it. Not saying you are, but maybe you are and maybe it isn't even conciously happening.

As far as the IF...Honestly what is REALLY important is calories in and calories out. The ONLY other factor that really matters in a diet is protein intake. Everything else is a minor detail.

Since you are doing it solely for convenience, and working out in the morning fits your life style better - why not do this: wake up, take your BCAAs before and/or during your workout, then after the workout make a coffee shake. In the morning I mix a large coffee, 1 scoop of protein, 1 tbsp coconut oil and 2 tbsp Hershey's cocoa powder in a blender. That's usually all I eat until the afternoon. It is actually pretty filling.

If you are working out fasted and taking BCAA you are spilling protein synthesis and then not providing any protein. Using the shake above, you will get protein right after your workout and be able to maintain your diet mostly. You won't be doing a 16/intermittent fasting full on...But close enough and if your calories and protein are in line you will win the battle.

You could also push your 4 PM meal to 6 or something maybe and shift your fast a little as suggested earlier.

Just some thoughts. Hope it helps.
 
Hit4me congrats on the weight loss. I am in the same boat, started at 330, dropped to 170 and now sitting at 215 ish from my recent bulk. Extreme cutting FTW
 
HIT4ME hopefully will post some great transformation pictures from all this helpful advice guys thank you :veryhappy:
 
Hit4me congrats on the weight loss. I am in the same boat, started at 330, dropped to 170 and now sitting at 215 ish from my recent bulk. Extreme cutting FTW

Wow man, that's impressive! That's a long road, and it never ends it seems. I always view it as practice. It will go on for the rest of my life.

HIT4ME hopefully will post some great transformation pictures from all this helpful advice guys thank you :veryhappy:

Aight, but just remember you asked for it. I'm not nearly as sexay as FireTitan (nor UnicornDrpns nor kjkitzman )

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Oh, those photos are from May of last year to November/december of last year. ~215 to ~165.
 
Damn nice work man. Doesn't even look like the same person. Major props to you!

Thank you sir....I slipped back to about 188...Gotta do it again. It is a struggle for sure.
 
Thank you sir....I slipped back to about 188...Gotta do it again. It is a struggle for sure.
We all slip here and there. I think it's that thing called life. Sometimes you have to live, instead of just living. You definitely put in some serious hard work to get where you are now. You earned the slip time.
 
We all slip here and there. I think it's that thing called life. Sometimes you have to live, instead of just living. You definitely put in some serious hard work to get where you are now. You earned the slip time.

Dude, incredible. It's always inspiring to see transformations like this. Keep up the good work man

Thanks guys! Honestly, I had a log up and the support on this board is incredible. I probably wouldn't have done it without a lot of people on here pushing me, pulling me, picking me up and just holding me accountable.

I hope to give back some of what was given to me. There are a ton of people on these boards with similar transformations...They just didn't log them, they did it on their own. That means, no photos for us. I don't have any photos of myself at 290+...It took me 2-3 years to get to 240 because I was fooling myself about my diet.

I would love to see some before and after a of cwages - that's an even bigger spread than me. But I still maintain that I am the biggest loser on AM! :)
 
Thanks guys! Honestly, I had a log up and the support on this board is incredible. I probably wouldn't have done it without a lot of people on here pushing me, pulling me, picking me up and just holding me accountable.

I hope to give back some of what was given to me. There are a ton of people on these boards with similar transformations...They just didn't log them, they did it on their own. That means, no photos for us. I don't have any photos of myself at 290+...It took me 2-3 years to get to 240 because I was fooling myself about my diet.

I would love to see some before and after a of cwages - that's an even bigger spread than me. But I still maintain that I am the biggest loser on AM! :)

Where did you get the numbers on me? I didnt lose anywhere near the pounds you did. I started my cut just under 3 months ago. I started about 240lbs and now i sit at 217lbs. I have a log with a before cut and current pics in the supplement log as Im running Iron Legions stack for 8 weeks before I hit Cancun. I might actually have some abs here pretty quick.
 
Where did you get the numbers on me? I didnt lose anywhere near the pounds you did. I started my cut just under 3 months ago. I started about 240lbs and now i sit at 217lbs. I have a log with a before cut and current pics in the supplement log as Im running Iron Legions stack for 8 weeks before I hit Cancun. I might actually have some abs here pretty quick.

Oops, you are correct! I put the wrong tag in there - S.Dedication - where are your photos?
cwages - link to your log? Sorry I missed it! Great job on 23+ pounds in 3 months just the same!
 
Oops, you are correct! I put the wrong tag in there - S.Dedication - where are your photos?
cwages - link to your log? Sorry I missed it! Great job on 23+ pounds in 3 months just the same!

Thanks. My 23lbs dont hold a candle to your transformation. Here is my log I just started. Im starting my stack Tuesday. I put a few pics up before my cut till now. Its under Virtus, Invictus and VII-KT. I cant post links as I dont have enough posts.
 
I might try next month to switch all my training to 5pm and see how that works and if I notice a difference!? Would you suggest doing the 2 sessions of HIIT fasted in the mornings still?
Do the schedule that works for your life. The one that you enjoy. I would just try to eat something within the hour post workout. As mentioned before meal timings are not as important as most make them out to be. The research does show that I break down muscle when working out so I want adequate protein and carbs to repair and build them. As women we don't have a lot of hard earned muscle to spare.

Honestly what is REALLY important is calories in and calories out. The ONLY other factor that really matters in a diet is protein intake. Everything else is a minor detail.

This is gold. I eat 5000 calorie days, I eat past midnight, etc but I watch my average weekly calories like a hawk. I keep an eye on my proteins too. All this bad diet stuff and I still managed to lose 15 lbs in 3 months while not compromising muscle loss too badly.
HIT4ME you look amazing !!! Thanks so much for sharing your journey. It helps me and other people more than u know! Don't worry about the small gain. U deserve a break !
 
Thanks. My 23lbs dont hold a candle to your transformation. Here is my log I just started. Im starting my stack Tuesday. I put a few pics up before my cut till now. Its under Virtus, Invictus and VII-KT. I cant post links as I dont have enough posts.

Brother - 23 pounds in 3 months is about the same as 50 in 6. Just do what you already did! That's faster than most people can lose and a lot of hard work.

HIT4ME Youre wrong!! Your sexiness is major!!!

Thanks Bro - But they don't call you FireTitan for nothin! You can't put out the kind of fire you start!
 

Dear FireTitan,
I've got some bad news. I have found someone new. I know things were great between us. We had some good times. But it's over. I can't help it. I just fell in love. It came out of nowhere. She says nice things to me. She admires my persistence (well, she does for now ...We will find out how she feels about being stalked on Facebook).

But regardless. It's over between us.

All the best.

Hit4me.
 
Dear FireTitan,
I've got some bad news. I have found someone new. I know things were great between us. We had some good times. But it's over. I can't help it. I just fell in love. It came out of nowhere. She says nice things to me. She admires my persistence (well, she does for now ...We will find out how she feels about being stalked on Facebook).

But regardless. It's over between us.

All the best.

Hit4me.

And this is why I keep a pre tied noose and a shot glass of drano in my closet at all times.
 
And this is why I keep a pre tied noose and a shot glass of drano in my closet at all times.

See, this is why we would never make it. You don't have the persistence that makes me so special. UnicornDrpns says so!
 
Lol a noose is the opposite of persistence

Well, it depends on how hard tying that knot was for him...Ironically it isn't the easiest knot to tie...Takes some persistence to learn.
 
HIT4ME;5662608..We will find out how she feels about being stalked on Facebook). But regardless. It's over between us. All the best. Hit4me.[/QUOTE said:
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Facebook stalking , glass door creepers. I have experienced all sorts of amazing things
 
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Facebook stalking , glass door creepers. I have experienced all sorts of amazing things

Lmao - did you tell them how much you like persistence? They would be at that door every day I bet.

Be careful out there. This is why I work out at home. Too many women staring at my butt. I felt unsafe.
 
And this is why I work out at home :) lol sorry girl!!!
 
And this is why I work out at home :) lol sorry girl!!!

haha its ok. it was so creepy that it become more amusing than creepy. 95% of the time i never get creeped on or hit on. most omen think this stuff happens all the time but it happens to me maybe 2-3 times during an entire year. It might happen to other women more... but not me
 
haha its ok. it was so creepy that it become more amusing than creepy. 95% of the time i never get creeped on or hit on. most omen think this stuff happens all the time but it happens to me maybe 2-3 times during an entire year. It might happen to other women more... but not me

Lol....Nah...This happens all the time. As a man, I know. Not at that level, but I know how men are. We are all creeps to SOME extent.
 
hey allll... just got back from my vacation and struggling to know what to do next. For my cut I was able to drop 5 lbs in about 7 weeks. I am currently at 129lbs, 5'7'' I was eating 1650 kcal a day. No cheats. I lifted 5 days a week and cardio 3-4 days a week.

On vacation(which has been the last 9 days) I did weight lift everyday and ate about 3,000 kcal (this is including alcohol) :)

I just don't know if I should continue a "diet break" for another week or two. I would like to cut some more fat and then be able to reverse diet and keep growing but keep the fat off as much as possible

Thoughts?
 
hey allll... just got back from my vacation and struggling to know what to do next. For my cut I was able to drop 5 lbs in about 7 weeks. I am currently at 129lbs, 5'7'' I was eating 1650 kcal a day. No cheats. I lifted 5 days a week and cardio 3-4 days a week.

On vacation(which has been the last 9 days) I did weight lift everyday and ate about 3,000 kcal (this is including alcohol) :)

I just don't know if I should continue a "diet break" for another week or two. I would like to cut some more fat and then be able to reverse diet and keep growing but keep the fat off as much as possible

Thoughts?
How long have you been cutting for? If you were at 3000k for 9 Days and your wanting to drop more fat, I'd drop the calories back down and cut. Then throw a refeed meal in every week or 10 Days. Then when you get where you want on your cut, go for reverse diet to maintain or go back to gaining. Great job on your cut. 5lb in 7 weeks is definitely getting it done.
 
I started my cut end of January and stopped on March 17th. In which I went on vacation and ate whatever I wanted lol. Do I drop the calories to the 1650kcal or start higher and then slowly decrease if needed.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I started my cut end of January and stopped on March 17th. In which I went on vacation and ate whatever I wanted lol. Do I drop the calories to the 1650kcal or start higher and then slowly decrease if needed.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't drop that low after 9 Days of 3k. I would drop 500 a week at a time and see where the scale or mirror says. If you drop calories to fast it will leave you nowhere to go when the cut gets tough and the scale won't budge.
 
So start with 2,500kcal this week and then keep dropping if needed?
 
Personally I would drop to whatever your maintenance calories are normally for the first week then drop 250 kcals a week for two weeks and then stick at that intake
 
Personally I would drop to whatever your maintenance calories are normally for the first week then drop 250 kcals a week for two weeks and then stick at that intake
This ^^^. Just don't drop to low right off the bat. It leaves you no where to go if you need to drop more calories. I've been on a tad over 4 month cut and I'm 750cals under maintenance now. Hit cardio 3-4lbs a week and still drop right about 1 pound a week.
 
Maintenance is 2,100 - 2,200 roughly. I don't really know exactly but this seems to be pretty close.
 
Maintenance is 2,100 - 2,200 roughly. I don't really know exactly but this seems to be pretty close.
I'd drop to 2200 then and stay there for a week or 2 and see if the scale moves or body composition changes. If not drop another 250cal. Till the weight or mirror changes.
 
I'd drop to 2200 then and stay there for a week or 2 and see if the scale moves or body composition changes. If not drop another 250cal. Till the weight or mirror changes.

sounds great to me! I would love to keep that high of calories LOL I will keep you all updated.

should I do lower calories on my one rest day?
 
sounds great to me! I would love to keep that high of calories LOL I will keep you all updated.

should I do lower calories on my one rest day?
You could do lower calories or I do lower carbs on rest Days and up the fats and protien. Try that and keep us updated.
 
You could do lower calories or I do lower carbs on rest Days and up the fats and protien. Try that and keep us updated.

How many grams or what % of carbs should low day/rest day be?
 
You could do lower calories or I do lower carbs on rest Days and up the fats and protien. Try that and keep us updated.

How many grams or what % of carbs should low day/rest day be?
 
You could do lower calories or I do lower carbs on rest Days and up the fats and protien. Try that and keep us updated.

How many grams or what % of carbs should low day/rest day be?
 
You could do lower calories or I do lower carbs on rest Days and up the fats and protien. Try that and keep us updated.

How many grams or what % of carbs should low day/rest day be?
 
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