Bulking PH's

808bigdog

808bigdog

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What would be a a good PH or stack you at OL or anyone else would recommend for Mass/Bulk? Also looking to see if I can have some hard look also. Yes I know diet is also the key.
 
I'm going to run ep15tane(higher dose) along with tr3st;)

Time to blow up!

So many options. But I'm going with this one.
 
I'm going with dmz/ trest I'm gonna blow up! But that's kinda seems lie what your asking for, hardness/ vascularity and size gains from DMZ plus size gains from trest
 
zcol94 said:
I'm going with dmz/ trest I'm gonna blow up! But that's kinda seems lie what your asking for, hardness/ vascularity and size gains from DMZ plus size gains from trest
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Perfect option....dmz and tr3st. We have some logs here on AM with this combo.
 
Msten + trest. I've ran dmz but found it to be more for a recomp, though msten seems to be the better bulker. Or SD + trest.
 
Stenabol (Msten) and Tr3st. I have ran both our Sten and DMZ and believe the Sten to be better for pure size. But that was my cycle and how I ran it. Didn't quite eat as out of control on the DMZ run!!
 
Dma378 said:
Stenabol (Msten) and Tr3st. I have ran both our Sten and DMZ and believe the Sten to be better for pure size. But that was my cycle and how I ran it. Didn't quite eat as out of control on the DMZ run!!
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I like how you think!! Lol Msten + DMZ + Trest = blow the funk up!!!
 
808bigdog said:
What would be a good dose for Msten & DMZ if stacked together? Trest I probably do 1ml.
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15-20 Msten / 40 DMZ. I think I was misunderstood in my previous post. I wasn't necessarily saying to stack them all. That doesn't mean it hasn't been done. Would just lower the doses if that's what you end up doing.

I would dose Msten at 20-30 solo with Tr3st.

Referring back to your original post, you make mention of maintaining a hard look. That will be especially dependent on diet and proper use of an AI if using Tr3st.
 
Hello, im looking into a Msten bulking cycle and I heard that typical results could be as good as 15 pounds with a caloric surplus and bulking diet. If I stack it with DMZ or Tr3st, what would the expected results and which would be better to put on as much size as possible? Thanks

Brutus
 
Brutus007 said:
Hello, im looking into a Msten bulking cycle and I heard that typical results could be as good as 15 pounds with a caloric surplus and bulking diet. If I stack it with DMZ or Tr3st, what would the expected results and which would be better to put on as much size as possible? Thanks

Brutus
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How many cycles have you run in the past?
 
How are you goig to dose the sd?

Maybe a 6 weeker of 10mg a day is nice option.
 
I thinks sd 6 weeks is way to long. That stuff is potent! Maybe 10/10/20/20. Or if sides are harsh 10/10/10/10. I also have 5mg sd.
 
808bigdog said:
I thinks sd 6 weeks is way to long. That stuff is potent! Maybe 10/10/20/20. Or if sides are harsh 10/10/10/10. I also have 5mg sd.
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I ran sd as a 6 weeker at 10. Was my second cycle with sd. First was 20/20/30/30.

6 weeker at 10 was easy, with not too many sides.

Think my bro bcazo has also done a 6 weeker like this.
 
edje007 said:
I ran sd as a 6 weeker at 10. Was my second cycle with sd. First was 20/20/30/30. 6 weeker at 10 was easy, with not too many sides. Think my bro bcazo has also done a 6 weeker like this.
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Yep!!! SD 6 weeks at 10 is very smooth.. My SuperDMZ was much harsher at 4 weeks
 
What supports support did use at that time? What would be good now? What gains did you get? You said not to many sides. I usually get bloated and hard time eating.
 
808bigdog said:
What supports support did use at that time? What would be good now? What gains did you get? You said not to many sides. I usually get bloated and hard time eating.
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I had a cycle support supp with hawtberry horn, nac and that kind of stuff. And some milk thistle.

I would use tudca and ar1macare pro this time around(for the sd), and transform(formestane) for tr3st.

Best part was, that lethargy wasn't too bad, and I had no problem eating at 10mg a day. (I ran this solo, didn't have tr3st to help me out)

Gains kept after pct...between 6 and 7 lbs(this was solo sd 10mg)

Pretty sweet;)
 
edje007 said:
I had a cycle support supp with hawtberry horn, nac and that kind of stuff. And some milk thistle.

I would use tudca and ar1macare pro this time around(for the sd), and transform(formestane) for tr3st.

Best part was, that lethargy wasn't too bad, and I had no problem eating at 10mg a day. (I ran this solo, didn't have tr3st to help me out)

Gains kept after pct...between 6 and 7 lbs(this was solo sd 10mg)

Pretty sweet;)
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edje007 - you mentioned about eating, is it normal losing appetite on a ph cycle? My appetite on trest/dmz is fairly low. I'm normally an awesome eater but recently it's been low.
 
goodvibes said:
edje007 - you mentioned about eating, is it normal losing appetite on a ph cycle? My appetite on trest/dmz is fairly low. I'm normally an awesome eater but recently it's been low.
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It happens sometimes. Especially with methylated ph's, and dose depended ofcourse.

That's why you really have to get a good cycle support and tudca when running methylated ph's , and you have to drink a lot of water to keep your liver etc save.
 
edje007 said:
It happens sometimes. Especially with methylated ph's, and dose depended ofcourse.

That's why you really have to get a good cycle support and tudca when running methylated ph's , and you have to drink a lot of water to keep your liver etc save.
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Thx, I will up my tudca intake to 450 tomorrow and see how it affects my appetite
 
edje007 said:
It happens sometimes. Especially with methylated ph's, and dose depended ofcourse. That's why you really have to get a good cycle support and tudca when running methylated ph's , and you have to drink a lot of water to keep your liver etc save.
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^^^ this a lose of appetite is a sign of stress on your body
 
Same with lethargy. It's not the ph's themselves, but the stress they put on the body (mainly the liver) that causes lethargy. Keeping your appetite and minimal lethargy means you're doing it right with support supps.
 
Dma378 said:
Same with lethargy. It's not the ph's themselves, but the stress they put on the body (mainly the liver) that causes lethargy. Keeping your appetite and minimal lethargy means you're doing it right with support supps.
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great advice!
 
Last night doubled my tudca intake before bed time to 450mg.

Woke up at 2pm hungry. Just downed 1700 cal for my first meal of the day. Nothing unhealthy just fruits, eggs, rice and tofu. No meat yet. Good sign so far
 
goodvibes said:
Last night doubled my tudca intake before bed time to 450mg. Woke up at 2pm hungry. Just downed 1700 cal for my first meal of the day. Nothing unhealthy just fruits, eggs, rice and tofu. No meat yet. Good sign so far
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That's good to hear
 
jgntyce said:
What do you recommend the dosage for Tr3st and for how long in stacking with SD?
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I would run it atleast the full 6 weeks along side the sd. Maybe extend the tr3st by 2 weeks past the sd.

Dose is depended partially on whivh tr3st you are going to use.

Transdermal or oral.

75mg a day, 100mg a day would be sweet.

Don't forget to add transform(formestane)
 
Ive done two cycles of just 4DHEA, however the first cycle wasn't properly done, and then one cycle of epistane/tren with a bulking diet
 
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